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#1 Edited by Erkan12 (2675 posts) - - Show Bio

We all know Hulk has incredible reflexes, and i find some quantifiable classic Hulk feats...

Lightning-fast reflexes, not bad...

#2 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

Hyperbole.

#3 Edited by DarthAznable (6686 posts) - - Show Bio

Found this where he tagged Quicksilver. I hate having to search for scans I could produce but lack a scanner.

#4 Posted by Lvenger (19405 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Edited by Saren (25623 posts) - - Show Bio

Lightning-fast reflexes makes him as fast as Deathstroke.

Congratulations, Hulk. You have street-level speed.

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#6 Posted by Wolverine08 (41307 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk is the FASTEST there is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#7 Posted by Lvenger (19405 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

Lightning-fast reflexes makes him as fast as Deathstroke.

Congratulations, Hulk. You have street-level speed.

/thread right here.

#8 Posted by dondave (36663 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol

#9 Edited by RaynorJ (1498 posts) - - Show Bio

This was a really bad thread... it was so easy to make fun of even a moderator could do it... oh..

#10 Posted by Abnegazar (259 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes This is also often proven when the Hulk fight with beings of extreme speed.

#11 Edited by Erkan12 (2675 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

Lightning-fast reflexes makes him as fast as Deathstroke.

Congratulations, Hulk. You have street-level speed.

The big difference is ; Narrator (author) and a regular human (exaggerating with fear) telling the story........

Hulk haters gonna hate......

@darthaznable said:

Found this where he tagged Quicksilver. I hate having to search for scans I could produce but lack a scanner.

This one was good mate. It seems no one exaggerating with fear, and Narrator telling the story.

@abnegazar said:

Yes This is also often proven when the Hulk fight with beings of extreme speed.

Exactly.

#12 Edited by Wolverine08 (41307 posts) - - Show Bio

"Hulk haters gonna hate......"

Dem lightning fast reflexes though! Impossible to miss!

#13 Edited by Erkan12 (2675 posts) - - Show Bio
@wolverine08 said:

"Hulk haters gonna hate......"

Dem lightning fast reflexes though! Impossible to miss!

You didn't understand the difference too it seems.

  • Narrator of the chapter
  • Frightened people

For non-hulk haters it is really simple imo.

@theacidskull said:

Hyperbole.

Vector's is the power to repel matter. And a formidable power it is. But he at whom it is directed is practically impervious to pain... And posses lightning-fast reflexes that enable him to catch the objects hurtling at him in mid-flight....

There is no hyperbole.

#14 Edited by Lvenger (19405 posts) - - Show Bio

@erkan12 said:

@saren said:

Lightning-fast reflexes makes him as fast as Deathstroke.

Congratulations, Hulk. You have street-level speed.

The big difference is ; Narrator (author) and a regular human (exaggerating with fear) telling the story........

Hulk haters gonna hate......

@darthaznable said:

Found this where he tagged Quicksilver. I hate having to search for scans I could produce but lack a scanner.

This one was good mate. It seems no one exaggerating with fear, and Narrator telling the story.

@abnegazar said:

Yes This is also often proven when the Hulk fight with beings of extreme speed.

Exactly.

"Because obviously Hulk must have lightning fast reflexes as opposed to the OP's exaggeration of the feat when Hulk's had trouble consistently tagging street levellers!" You show your own arguments up all too hilariously well. Illogical haters gonna hate the logic and actual reasoning used. For people who actually know the context of the feats, it's simple to see the flaws and obvious conclusion that Hulk has street level reflexes at best.

#15 Posted by w0nd (3298 posts) - - Show Bio

So does that mean anyone who can dodge the hulks blows are faster than lightning?

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#16 Edited by Erkan12 (2675 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

"Because obviously Hulk must have lightning fast reflexes as opposed to the OP's exaggeration of the feat when Hulk's had trouble consistently tagging street levellers!" You show your own arguments up all too hilariously well. Illogical haters gonna hate the logic and actual reasoning used. For people who actually know the context of the feats, it's simple to see the flaws and obvious conclusion that Hulk has street level reflexes at best.

Can you read properly ? Because if you can, and if you are not ''hulk hater'' then you can easily understand the difference between contexts of the scans....

  • Narrater
  • Frightened people

Really simple.

Hulk has at least ''lightning-fast'' reflexes. And claiming ''street-level'' is ridiculous claim, only comes from ''hulk haters'' ....

@w0nd said:

So does that mean anyone who can dodge the hulks blows are faster than lightning?

If you are going to connect this question with Wolverine battles, no. It is same as Superman vs Batman battles (PIS). But with Thor battles, probably. Since Thor is at least fast as lightning in terms of combat.

#17 Posted by Wolverine08 (41307 posts) - - Show Bio

@erkan12: Or maybe it's hard to understand for Hulk fanboys :)

#18 Edited by jaxthejester_2014 (207 posts) - - Show Bio

Why exactly is comparing Hulk's speed to Deathstroke's speed a bad thing? Deathstroke has incredible reaction speed. He has a running history of tagging speedsters, and his boosted reaction speed has been directly sited on-panel as one of the mechanics that allows him to do so. And it seems prudent to point out that you do not have to match another person's speed to tag them in combat. There are a plethora of factors that feed into combat mechanics. I think folks get far to strung up on raw speed being the end-all/be-all of combat prowess. Speed is a factor. But it is not the only factor.

#19 Posted by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it safe to say Hulk has better reaction then Thor? I've seen more modern on panel feats for Hulks reflexes/ reaction then Thor.

#20 Posted by Erkan12 (2675 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08:

I am sure it is, especially after you claimed it. But still i didn't take any logical answer for narrator and frightened people differences.

#21 Posted by DaseanComerWCR (888 posts) - - Show Bio

@erkan12 said:

@saren said:

Lightning-fast reflexes makes him as fast as Deathstroke.

Congratulations, Hulk. You have street-level speed.

The big difference is ; Narrator (author) and a regular human (exaggerating with fear) telling the story........

Hulk haters gonna hate......

@darthaznable said:

Found this where he tagged Quicksilver. I hate having to search for scans I could produce but lack a scanner.

This one was good mate. It seems no one exaggerating with fear, and Narrator telling the story.

@abnegazar said:

Yes This is also often proven when the Hulk fight with beings of extreme speed.

Exactly.

yep even in the movies

he cant be going anywere under 300 mph

#22 Posted by DarthAznable (6686 posts) - - Show Bio
#23 Posted by Lvenger (19405 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it safe to say Hulk has better reaction then Thor? I've seen more modern on panel feats for Hulks reflexes/ reaction then Thor.

Pretty much. Hulk can at least tag the street levellers he's fighting with his own hands.

#24 Posted by Bezza (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08:

Yes he us!!

Actually a lot of people confuse agility with reflex and speed. Put it this way, is a Bentley fast? Sure is, agile, er no. The reason Hulk struggles with someone like Spiderman or other streetlevellers is simply the fact that Spidey is a much smaller, more agile opponent. Due to his size and bulk, the Hulk cannot perform backflips and cannot weave and duck. Coming to cars again, bit like said Bentley trying to track down a Mini along a narrow winding country lane. Bentley is faster and more powerful, the Mini nimbler. Hulk definitely has greater than street level speed and reflexes, but by nature isn't going to be the nimblest and most agile guy out there!

#25 Edited by Lvenger (19405 posts) - - Show Bio

@bezza: Can you prove he has greater than street level speed and reflexes though? Because no one else has done so thus far.

#26 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@erkan12: It's hyperbole, if he had lighting fast reflexes spider-man and wolverine wouldn't be able to jump around the hulk.

#27 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@erkan12 said:

@lvenger said:

"Because obviously Hulk must have lightning fast reflexes as opposed to the OP's exaggeration of the feat when Hulk's had trouble consistently tagging street levellers!" You show your own arguments up all too hilariously well. Illogical haters gonna hate the logic and actual reasoning used. For people who actually know the context of the feats, it's simple to see the flaws and obvious conclusion that Hulk has street level reflexes at best.

Can you read properly ? Because if you can, and if you are not ''hulk hater'' then you can easily understand the difference between contexts of the scans....

  • Narrater
  • Frightened people

Really simple.

Hulk has at least ''lightning-fast'' reflexes. And claiming ''street-level'' is ridiculous claim, only comes from ''hulk haters'' ....

Comics, especially in the old days, have a lot of cases of hyperbole. Evidence contradicts the statement of hulk having lighting fast reflexes. Hulk is my favorite character, and I'd like nothing more for him to have great reaction timing, but evidence shows that spider-man, wolverine and other street levelers have been able to avoid his attacks. Also, be nice to other users, not everyone is going to agree with your "evidence", and not everyone is a hulk hater.

#28 Posted by Bezza (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger:

....in terms of speed, can any of the street levellers run at 300 MPH? In terms of reflexes, no I agree he doesn't beat Spiderman etc...perhaps I should have said "peak human". Always get confused in my head as to what "street level" is. I mean peak humans by that. But I stand by my comment that speed and agility are not the same thing and one of the reasons Spiderman, Wolverine etc dodge Hulk is simple agility. He is a big bulky guy and they are smaller nimbler people. Its like me trying to tag my 8 year old sometimes when she is bucking and weaving!! No, Spiderman has amazing reflexes and can dodge bullets etc, I cant prove to you he beats this. Happy?!

#29 Posted by Lvenger (19405 posts) - - Show Bio

@bezza: You do realise that the so called 300mph speed didn't help him hit Daredevil at all who was constantly dodging and weaving out of all his attacks? Even with Waid's speed boost, Hulk was unable to tag the peak human Daredevil which really shows his difficulty in tagging street levellers. Also I'm afraid your assertion is incorrect and that speed is one of the main reasons why Spider-Man, Wolverine etc can dodge Hulk. Spidey's dodged bullets being fired from a high powered rifle with ease without Spider-Sense for assistance and Wolverine has blitzed Sabretooth with ease. That requires speed AND agility thus nullifying your original point easily. They are nimbler and more agile but they also have the necessary speed to keep out of Hulk's reach easily. Spider-Man and Logan are definitely faster than Hulk in combat speed and Hulk's inability to tag Daredevil recently only confirms his lacking combat speed.

#30 Posted by Bezza (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger:

here you go again, debating against someone in regard to Hulk's abilities on the Hulk thread... even after I stick up for you on here on a previous thread!! You cant help yourself....and you wonder why you get a bad name on here - lol! Yes Spidey and Wolverine have dodged Hulk before, as I explained above, size, agility etc, but Hulk CAN tag them too. I won't bother scanning the Hulk v Wolverine fight from WWH where Hulk tagged Wolverine with ease, because I can't win this debate, ! I'm outta here.

#31 Posted by Lvenger (19405 posts) - - Show Bio

@bezza: Yeah I was gonna be out of here after my last post too but thanks for responding first, I appreciate it.

#32 Posted by RaynorJ (1498 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Let's just ignore the fact that Hulk was blind at that moment because whether or not you have the ability to see does not affect your ability to tag anyone. Not to mention that if he had actually "tagged" DD in that state DD would be nothing more than a red bloodstain on the wall. Hulk can tag DD and has tagged faster opponents then him in the same series, you should know this.

#33 Posted by Lvenger (19405 posts) - - Show Bio

@raynorj: He can tag DD, I wasn't saying that. But it was crystal clear beyond reasonable doubt that Hulk was having a hard time tagging Daredevil just like the trouble he has tagging other street levellers. Simple as that really.

#34 Posted by RaynorJ (1498 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: He was BLIND. How much trouble he would have tagging DD when he can actually SEE him we don't know it might not be any different but i find it absolutely ridiculous to use it as a be all end all argument.

#35 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@raynorj said:

@lvenger: He was BLIND. How much trouble he would have tagging DD when he can actually SEE him we don't know it might not be any different but i find it absolutely ridiculous to use it as a be all end all argument.

Yes, Hulk was blind which obviously inhibited his chances of tagging DD. But as fast as Hulk has become, he still doesn't have lighting fast reflexes which the OP so dearly claims. That's the point me and Lvenger are trying to make. Hopefully tho, The speed factor will diminish as waid goes on with his run, but I doubt it, if Streetlevels couldn't dodge hulks attacks they would basically be taken out within seconds :/

#36 Posted by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@raynorj said:

@lvenger: He was BLIND. How much trouble he would have tagging DD when he can actually SEE him we don't know it might not be any different but i find it absolutely ridiculous to use it as a be all end all argument.

Yes, Hulk was blind which obviously inhibited his chances of tagging DD. But as fast as Hulk has become, he still doesn't have lighting fast reflexes which the OP so dearly claims. That's the point me and Lvenger are trying to make. Hopefully tho, The speed factor will diminish as waid goes on with his run, but I doubt it, if Streetlevels couldn't dodge hulks attacks they would basically be taken out within seconds :/

Actually, a typical lightining bolt moves at 3,700 miles per second. Hulk has moved faster with jumps or with earthshaking strikes.

Hulk has always been extremely fast, but some of the artwork in his latest books just put more emphasis on that.

#37 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull said:

@raynorj said:

@lvenger: He was BLIND. How much trouble he would have tagging DD when he can actually SEE him we don't know it might not be any different but i find it absolutely ridiculous to use it as a be all end all argument.

Yes, Hulk was blind which obviously inhibited his chances of tagging DD. But as fast as Hulk has become, he still doesn't have lighting fast reflexes which the OP so dearly claims. That's the point me and Lvenger are trying to make. Hopefully tho, The speed factor will diminish as waid goes on with his run, but I doubt it, if Streetlevels couldn't dodge hulks attacks they would basically be taken out within seconds :/

Actually, a typical lightining bolt moves at 3,700 miles per second. Hulk has moved faster with jumps or with earthshaking strikes.

Hulk has always been extremely fast, but some of the artwork in his latest books just put more emphasis on that.

really fast IN TERMS of moving speed/ velocity maybe, but not in reflexes and reaction timing.

#38 Edited by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull said:

@dum529001 said:

@theacidskull said:

@raynorj said:

@lvenger: He was BLIND. How much trouble he would have tagging DD when he can actually SEE him we don't know it might not be any different but i find it absolutely ridiculous to use it as a be all end all argument.

Yes, Hulk was blind which obviously inhibited his chances of tagging DD. But as fast as Hulk has become, he still doesn't have lighting fast reflexes which the OP so dearly claims. That's the point me and Lvenger are trying to make. Hopefully tho, The speed factor will diminish as waid goes on with his run, but I doubt it, if Streetlevels couldn't dodge hulks attacks they would basically be taken out within seconds :/

Actually, a typical lightining bolt moves at 3,700 miles per second. Hulk has moved faster with jumps or with earthshaking strikes.

Hulk has always been extremely fast, but some of the artwork in his latest books just put more emphasis on that.

really fast IN TERMS of moving speed/ velocity maybe, but not in reflexes and reaction timing.

What's your basis for that? Hulk fighting low level people who he's hesistant to use anywhere near his full power on?

That not having him having bad reflexes, that's just not him not using his reflexes.

Are some people trying to say Hulk is mentally retarded or something?

And if people are waiting for Hulk to dodge everything people throw at him when its obvious he doesn't need to since "Nothing Stops The Hulk!", then they are wasting their time.

#39 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001: No one is implying anything. You are making up no existent context, Hulk may restrain himself from hitting spider-man really hard in order not to kill him, but he doesn't restrain his reflexes, and it has never been stated.

#40 Posted by RaynorJ (1498 posts) - - Show Bio

@raynorj said:

@lvenger: He was BLIND. How much trouble he would have tagging DD when he can actually SEE him we don't know it might not be any different but i find it absolutely ridiculous to use it as a be all end all argument.

Yes, Hulk was blind which obviously inhibited his chances of tagging DD. But as fast as Hulk has become, he still doesn't have lighting fast reflexes which the OP so dearly claims. That's the point me and Lvenger are trying to make. Hopefully tho, The speed factor will diminish as waid goes on with his run, but I doubt it, if Streetlevels couldn't dodge hulks attacks they would basically be taken out within seconds :/

I never said he did have lightning fast reflexes. If Lvenger is trying to make a point he is using a pretty bad example instead he should just throw every other fight where Hulk fights a street level opponent and has trouble tagging them that doesn't involve him being BLIND. There are plenty of those examples. Not necessarily you have street level opponents and guys with nowhere near light speed movement and reflexes that tag guys like Superman, WW, even Flash... Of course it's always PIS, the same would happen if Marvel actually focused on speed as much as DC did, Hulk would still get tagged by guys much slower than him and only very rarely would he just go up to Spiderman and take him out in one strike before Spiderman reacts or even realizes what happened.

#41 Posted by Jayc1324 (11788 posts) - - Show Bio

I've always felt his reflexes should be just above peak human

#42 Edited by Erkan12 (2675 posts) - - Show Bio

Lets see the difference again....

Frightened Person's POV : ''But i gained instant respect when i saw him in action. I had never seen any human like that. He was LIKE lightning itself; his movements impossibly smooth and steady.''

And mine scan ;

Narrator of the Chapter : Vector's is the power to repel matter. And a formidable power it is. But he at whom it is directed is practically impervious to pain... And posses lightning-fast reflexes that enable him to catch the objects hurtling at him in mid-flight....

@theacidskull said:

@erkan12: It's hyperbole, if he had lighting fast reflexes spider-man and wolverine wouldn't be able to jump around the hulk.

Then Superman would not take a punch from Batman. These are PIS. If there is no PIS, then the conclusion is clear ;

And spiderman absolutely is not a regular street level, he can dodge even combined teams as x-men or fantastic four, his spider sense is absolutely remarkable and Hulk manage to catch him in many occasion.

@daseancomerwcr

that was a good example of Hulk's super speed mate, and in avenger movie i believe he showed his lightning fast reflexes too.

#43 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@erkan12: Spider-man is still regarded as a street leveler, whether you consider him to be one or not. My point is that no matter what was stated a long time ago, most writers would let any street level dodge hulks attacks, because other wise they'd get easily KO'd. That's something that won't change.

#44 Edited by dorukesin (5639 posts) - - Show Bio

agreed with the OP

#45 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull:

Spider-Man has pre-cognition though, that power isn't universally granted to all street levelers. Even amongst the various tiers stats can vary wildly. Spider-Man is a street leveler with reflexes that go beyond his station.

#46 Posted by Erkan12 (2675 posts) - - Show Bio
#47 Posted by Bezza (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

@erkan12: Spider-man is still regarded as a street leveler, whether you consider him to be one or not. My point is that no matter what was stated a long time ago, most writers would let any street level dodge hulks attacks, because other wise they'd get easily KO'd. That's something that won't change.

This is the reply I meant to give Lvenger, rather than losing my cool with him in my last post... ! (I gave myself a red card and banned myself for 3 days from here after than outburst-lol!!)...Its the same as Superman and Flash, they get tagged because otherwise they would annhilate everyone. Hulk mainly shows faster than street level speed when fighting top tier characters like Silver Surfer, Hyperion, Sentry etc...

#48 Edited by Raycat (98 posts) - - Show Bio

Hyperbole.

So you think these are ''hyperbole'' too huh ?

Catching Hawk Eye's arrow...

Even Superman said ; Hulk is FAST.

#49 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@raycat: Only the first two are valid, the 3rd one is non canon.

#50 Edited by Raycat (98 posts) - - Show Bio

@raycat: Only the first two are valid, the 3rd one is non canon.

Being non-canon only affects the storyline. Being official is matters (like databooks), and that comic is official.