#1 Posted by AweSam (7376 posts) - - Show Bio

I just watched the first Ghost Rider movie again. It was on TV and I was bored. Last time I watched it was when it first came out, but I was too young to realize it wasn't that great. Here's what I noticed now.

1. It's too cheesy. Cheesy dialogue, cheesy plot, cheesy acting, cheesy everything.

2. Nicholas Cage is too old. I love Nicholas Cage as an actor (screw you Josh), but he was just too old for an origin story. I actually think it could've been better if it was about the younger JB and the younger... Eva Mendes.

3. Just terrible. The plot was obvious and unoriginal. The acting was really bad, especially from the villains. The dialogue was just sad.

One thing I really noticed was that no matter how bad the movie was, Ghost Rider looked Awesome (I intentionally capitalized it). The movie was pretty boring, but got exciting when he became Ghost Rider. Ghost Rider's presence alone made the boring fight scenes awesome. In my opinion, a new Ghost Rider can easily work. Ghost Rider alone made the movie worth it. Imagine him in a good movie. Maybe even in Avengers? You know, instead of Quicksilver.

What do you guys think? What should a reboot be like?

Note: Excuse any spelling errors, I'm on my phone. Also, I didn't put much thought into this.

#2 Edited by ShadowX (1207 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Ghost Rider should be darker I think guillermo del toro Should direct.

#3 Posted by AweSam (7376 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowx: Definitely darker. Nicholas Cage turned it into a non-funny comedy.

#4 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (35162 posts) - - Show Bio

Only if Del Toro is involved and the Avengers shouldn't be anywhere near it

#5 Edited by Teerack (7459 posts) - - Show Bio

They should reboot Ghost Rider and Blade together and as partners.

#6 Posted by AweSam (7376 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack: I don't know about that. Ghost Rider's more of a solo act.

#7 Posted by Teerack (7459 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam: Only because Marvel's never tried to put him on a team.

#8 Edited by JonSmith (4010 posts) - - Show Bio

I am all for a reboot of Ghost Rider. I also vote Colin Farrel for the part of Johnny Blaze. Dye his hair red, and you're done.

Now I'm going to get the hell out of here before I go off on a rant.

#9 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@awesam: Only because Marvel's never tried to put him on a team.

Blaze and Ketch were partners in the 90s. Hell, they had their own title:

Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance.

Then there was the Midnight Sons for both, NF4 for Ketch, and Champions for Blaze. They have been on teams, but they prefer to stay solo. Mostly cause it plays to the Loner anti-hero thing.

#10 Posted by amutant (267 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider needs to take a break for a while after the @$$ pounding he's got from Nicolas Cage.

@jonsmith said:

I am all for a reboot of Ghost Rider. I also vote Colin Farrel for the part of Johnny Cage. Dye his hair red, and you're done.

Now I'm going to get the hell out of here before I go off on a rant.

Johnny Cage is Mortal Kombat. lol

#11 Edited by JonSmith (4010 posts) - - Show Bio

@amutant said:

I am all for a reboot of Ghost Rider. I also vote Colin Farrel for the part of Johnny Cage. Dye his hair red, and you're done.

Now I'm going to get the hell out of here before I go off on a rant.

Johnny Cage is Mortal Kombat. lol

DAMMIT. NICHOLAS CAGE/MORTAL KOMBAT COMBO. WHY YOU RUIN MY ABILITY TO SAY JOHNNY BLAZE.

#12 Edited by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

My problem is I feel like the public now associates Johnny Blaze with Nick Cage, and if they rebooted....what's to stop Nick Cage from trying to return?

I guess I'm in the minority when I say they should reboot not with Blaze, but with Ketch. You had two movies to make Blaze work, and yet it's become a joke. Ketch would be a fresh start over, ensures no Nick Cage, and gives you the opportunity to go towards a Midnights Sons movie which would be just so sweet.

#13 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (8096 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider deserves a reboot and a good movie.

Nicolas Cage just isn't Johnny Blaze.

#14 Posted by AweSam (7376 posts) - - Show Bio
#15 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@thegreyoutcastx: I don't think the fans will know the difference.

Maybe, but at the same time, Danny's origin story is pretty self contained and very easy to understand and can allow to differentiate between Ketch and Blaze. Far less complicated than Blaze, Danny has more Rogues, based in New York (Could connect to a Strange Movie), and is a different interpretation to the character that could give a breath of flesh air to the franchise.

#16 Posted by Teerack (7459 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@awesam: Only because Marvel's never tried to put him on a team.

Blaze and Ketch were partners in the 90s. Hell, they had their own title:

Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance.

Then there was the Midnight Sons for both, NF4 for Ketch, and Champions for Blaze. They have been on teams, but they prefer to stay solo. Mostly cause it plays to the Loner anti-hero thing.

I was really just talking about Blaze because he's Ghost Rider now.

#17 Edited by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:
@thegreyoutcastx said:
@teerack said:

@awesam: Only because Marvel's never tried to put him on a team.

Blaze and Ketch were partners in the 90s. Hell, they had their own title:

Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance.

Then there was the Midnight Sons for both, NF4 for Ketch, and Champions for Blaze. They have been on teams, but they prefer to stay solo. Mostly cause it plays to the Loner anti-hero thing.

I was really just talking about Blaze because he's Ghost Rider now.

Everything I said though still applies. Blaze and Ketch were partners for a time, Blaze was a Midnight Son, and a member of the Champions and the Legion of Monsters (forgot this one). Writers just tend to keep him as a solo act.

#18 Posted by Teerack (7459 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:
@thegreyoutcastx said:
@teerack said:

@awesam: Only because Marvel's never tried to put him on a team.

Blaze and Ketch were partners in the 90s. Hell, they had their own title:

Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance.

Then there was the Midnight Sons for both, NF4 for Ketch, and Champions for Blaze. They have been on teams, but they prefer to stay solo. Mostly cause it plays to the Loner anti-hero thing.

I was really just talking about Blaze because he's Ghost Rider now.

Everything I said though still applies. Blaze and Ketch were partners for a time, Blaze was a Midnight Son, and a member of the Champions and the Legion of Monsters (forgot this one). Writers just tend to keep him as a solo act.

I think I had a good idea a few weeks ago.

#19 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes.

Honestly, the concept is rock-solid. Biker with a flaming skull fighting the devil - how do you not get behind that?

#20 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:
@thegreyoutcastx said:
@teerack said:
@thegreyoutcastx said:
@teerack said:

@awesam: Only because Marvel's never tried to put him on a team.

Blaze and Ketch were partners in the 90s. Hell, they had their own title:

Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance.

Then there was the Midnight Sons for both, NF4 for Ketch, and Champions for Blaze. They have been on teams, but they prefer to stay solo. Mostly cause it plays to the Loner anti-hero thing.

I was really just talking about Blaze because he's Ghost Rider now.

Everything I said though still applies. Blaze and Ketch were partners for a time, Blaze was a Midnight Son, and a member of the Champions and the Legion of Monsters (forgot this one). Writers just tend to keep him as a solo act.

I think I had a good idea a few weeks ago.

Ah, the Nightstalkers....What?! No Hannibal King? BLASPHEMY! xD

My problem with that line up is that's its like a few characters shy of the Midnight Sons, so why not just do that? Especially given the popularity of Justice League Dark.

And The Nightstalkers were basically all guys tied to Vampires: Blade (Self Explanatory), Hannibal King (He was turned into a Vampire by Deacon Frost), and Frank Drake (Descendant of Dracula). So why not keep it in that same vein? Morbius btw was a brilliant pick for that given the animosity that exists between Morbius and Blade.

#21 Posted by Teerack (7459 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:
@thegreyoutcastx said:
@teerack said:
@thegreyoutcastx said:
@teerack said:

@awesam: Only because Marvel's never tried to put him on a team.

Blaze and Ketch were partners in the 90s. Hell, they had their own title:

Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance.

Then there was the Midnight Sons for both, NF4 for Ketch, and Champions for Blaze. They have been on teams, but they prefer to stay solo. Mostly cause it plays to the Loner anti-hero thing.

I was really just talking about Blaze because he's Ghost Rider now.

Everything I said though still applies. Blaze and Ketch were partners for a time, Blaze was a Midnight Son, and a member of the Champions and the Legion of Monsters (forgot this one). Writers just tend to keep him as a solo act.

I think I had a good idea a few weeks ago.

Ah, the Nightstalkers....What?! No Hannibal King? BLASPHEMY! xD

My problem with that line up is that's its like a few characters shy of the Midnight Sons, so why not just do that? Especially given the popularity of Justice League Dark.

And The Nightstalkers were basically all guys tied to Vampires: Blade (Self Explanatory), Hannibal King (He was turned into a Vampire by Deacon Frost), and Frank Drake (Descendant of Dracula). So why not keep it in that same vein? Morbius btw was a brilliant pick for that given the animosity that exists between Morbius and Blade.

Nightstalkers, Midnight Sons, Dark Defenders, what ever you want to call it :P I just think it would be a cool team, because there is no way Morbius wont be canceled in the next wave of cancellations at this rate.

#22 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:
@thegreyoutcastx said:
@teerack said:
@thegreyoutcastx said:
@teerack said:
@thegreyoutcastx said:
@teerack said:

@awesam: Only because Marvel's never tried to put him on a team.

Blaze and Ketch were partners in the 90s. Hell, they had their own title:

Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance.

Then there was the Midnight Sons for both, NF4 for Ketch, and Champions for Blaze. They have been on teams, but they prefer to stay solo. Mostly cause it plays to the Loner anti-hero thing.

I was really just talking about Blaze because he's Ghost Rider now.

Everything I said though still applies. Blaze and Ketch were partners for a time, Blaze was a Midnight Son, and a member of the Champions and the Legion of Monsters (forgot this one). Writers just tend to keep him as a solo act.

I think I had a good idea a few weeks ago.

Ah, the Nightstalkers....What?! No Hannibal King? BLASPHEMY! xD

My problem with that line up is that's its like a few characters shy of the Midnight Sons, so why not just do that? Especially given the popularity of Justice League Dark.

And The Nightstalkers were basically all guys tied to Vampires: Blade (Self Explanatory), Hannibal King (He was turned into a Vampire by Deacon Frost), and Frank Drake (Descendant of Dracula). So why not keep it in that same vein? Morbius btw was a brilliant pick for that given the animosity that exists between Morbius and Blade.

Nightstalkers, Midnight Sons, Dark Defenders, what ever you want to call it :P I just think it would be a cool team, because there is no way Morbius wont be canceled in the next wave of cancellations at this rate.

I'll post my idea for the Nightstalkers on that other topic. Always loved the concept.

I thought it was already confirmed that Morbius was ending? Either way, it's gonna end soon that's for sure.

#23 Posted by Gambit474 (1517 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes. I disagree with using Ketch..Blaze's deal with the devil bit has always fitted GR more than Ketch's stumbling upon the curse one day. Only non-comic fans would associate Cage with Blaze because anyone who actually knows GR knows that Cage looks absolutely nothing like him. If they were to reboot they should include Blaze,Ketch,and to have a female..I'd say Caretaker's granddaughter. What was her name..Sarah? The Zadkiel run probably wouldn't be the best start for reintroducing him to an audience but I'd love to see it down the line since it'd give us the religion heavy that GR is known for,GR vs GR in Blaze vs Ketch,and taking the fights to Heaven and Hell could be interesting on the big screen

#24 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambit474: The problem with using Aaron's run is that the last movie tried to fuse that and Daniel Way's run together all it did was make a terrible and horrible inaccurate with the source material.