Too many Events?

Topic started by Satyrquaze on April 24, 2008. Last post by man_of_forever 5 months, 3 weeks ago.
Post by Satyrquaze (3,175 posts) See mini bio
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By my estimation we're being peppered with too many company-wide earth shattering events in comics as of late.

Just in the last few years, we had Avengers Disassembled, House of M, Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, Decimation, Civil War, World War Hulk, Final Crisis, Secret Invasion.

I mean how long until we actually have the 'Secret Crisis of the Infinity Hour'?

I understand why the comic companies do it, to make fans by 12 other titles in a given month than they normally would. I can get behind that, it's a business and they're making money.

What kinda annoys me is that with all these events coming up every few months and lasting a few months... how much of a writer's actual story are we getting to before Geoff Johns or Bendis come in and start throwing their weight around the editorial departments.

I think there was an interesting case in Nightwing where during Infinite Crisis the storyline that happening just stopped abruptly when Deathstroke destroyed Bludhaven.

Anyone else notice that during the 90's whenever there was major event that did not start in an X-book, the editorial staff did not allow the X-characters to become involved.

An excellent example of this is the Infinity Gauntlet, the very universe is at stake and the X-Men send in Wolverine and Cyclops. Thats it. Marvel's meal ticket who at the time sure was on a lot of team rosters for being such a loner, and Scott "I know I'm sleeping with two of the hottest comicbook characters ever, but my problems are more important than yours" Summers.

So, how many awesome singular great storylines have we just never seen because "Okay, we're going to have Cap and Iron Man have a disagreement, you decide how your characters are going to go on this issue thats been blown out of proportion and has a whole lot of grey area and then at the end (in about a year), we're going to kill off Cap, so you'll have to have at least one issue where your character is effected by his death."


By my estimation we're being peppered with too many company-wide earth shattering events in comics as of late.

Just in the last few years, we had Avengers Disassembled, House of M, Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, Decimation, Civil War, World War Hulk, Final Crisis, Secret Invasion.

I mean how long until we actually have the 'Secret Crisis of the Infinity Hour'?

I understand why the comic companies do it, to make fans by 12 other titles in a given month than they normally would. I can get behind that, it's a business and they're making money.

What kinda annoys me is that with all these events coming up every few months and lasting a few months... how much of a writer's actual story are we getting to before Geoff Johns or Bendis come in and start throwing their weight around the editorial departments.

I think there was an interesting case in Nightwing where during Infinite Crisis the storyline that happening just stopped abruptly when Deathstroke destroyed Bludhaven.

Anyone else notice that during the 90's whenever there was major event that did not start in an X-book, the editorial staff did not allow the X-characters to become involved.

An excellent example of this is the Infinity Gauntlet, the very universe is at stake and the X-Men send in Wolverine and Cyclops. Thats it. Marvel's meal ticket who at the time sure was on a lot of team rosters for being such a loner, and Scott "I know I'm sleeping with two of the hottest comicbook characters ever, but my problems are more important than yours" Summers.

So, how many awesome singular great storylines have we just never seen because "Okay, we're going to have Cap and Iron Man have a disagreement, you decide how your characters are going to go on this issue thats been blown out of proportion and has a whole lot of grey area and then at the end (in about a year), we're going to kill off Cap, so you'll have to have at least one issue where your character is effected by his death."


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Thanks, I had an idea that you'd understand where I was coming from.


Thanks, I had an idea that you'd understand where I was coming from.


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House of M killed the X-men for me. I love the mutant mythos, and the whole 'no more' thing pretty much ruined it.

They wanted no more.. money from me, it seems.

Then along came civil war which ruined the marvel superhero setting for me. They just keep shooting themselves in the foot with these stories..

At least I have my DC comics..!


House of M killed the X-men for me. I love the mutant mythos, and the whole 'no more' thing pretty much ruined it.

They wanted no more.. money from me, it seems.

Then along came civil war which ruined the marvel superhero setting for me. They just keep shooting themselves in the foot with these stories..

At least I have my DC comics..!


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Events are events. without them most of the normal comic life is boring. only thing i was really interested in was the strange tales and the infiinity chronicles.... i guess you could consider them events to but hey...


Events are events. without them most of the normal comic life is boring. only thing i was really interested in was the strange tales and the infiinity chronicles.... i guess you could consider them events to but hey...


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But when the world/universe is imperiled in what works out to be every couple of weeks it loses something.

I point out that everything that has happened in Marvel comics since the Fantastic Four debuted has happened in approx. 12 years? Just given how much they've aged... Franklin, he's been about 5 for about 20 real years now.

Everything in the DC universe has been going on since 1985 when the first Crisis happened. That at least makes more sense, you don't have references to characters who are communist and are trying to subvert the American way of life, or back issues referencing the war in Vietnam or see a group of hippies in the background of a panel.

So, by that math, the Secret Wars happened maybe 4 years ago... so in 2004. That crunches everything that happened in the 90's to just the last 3 years.

Apparently the "Infinity Chronicles" happened all within a month of eachother.

Captain America died maybe 2 weeks ago and he's already back. Possibly in Skrull form.


But when the world/universe is imperiled in what works out to be every couple of weeks it loses something.

I point out that everything that has happened in Marvel comics since the Fantastic Four debuted has happened in approx. 12 years? Just given how much they've aged... Franklin, he's been about 5 for about 20 real years now.

Everything in the DC universe has been going on since 1985 when the first Crisis happened. That at least makes more sense, you don't have references to characters who are communist and are trying to subvert the American way of life, or back issues referencing the war in Vietnam or see a group of hippies in the background of a panel.

So, by that math, the Secret Wars happened maybe 4 years ago... so in 2004. That crunches everything that happened in the 90's to just the last 3 years.

Apparently the "Infinity Chronicles" happened all within a month of eachother.

Captain America died maybe 2 weeks ago and he's already back. Possibly in Skrull form.


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Satyrquaze says:

"But when the world/universe is imperiled in what works out to be every couple of weeks it loses something.I point out that everything that has happened in Marvel comics since the Fantastic Four debuted has happened in approx. 12 years? Just given how much they've aged... Franklin, he's been about 5 for about 20 real years now.Everything in the DC universe has been going on since 1985 when the first Crisis happened. That at least makes more sense, you don't have references to characters who are communist and are trying to subvert the American way of life, or back issues referencing the war in Vietnam or see a group of hippies in the background of a panel.So, by that math, the Secret Wars happened maybe 4 years ago... so in 2004. That crunches everything that happened in the 90's to just the last 3 years.Apparently the "Infinity Chronicles" happened all within a month of eachother.Captain America died maybe 2 weeks ago and he's already back. Possibly in Skrull form."

or Cyborg, clone , stark robot thingie :( or maybe I'm really back :D


Satyrquaze says:

"But when the world/universe is imperiled in what works out to be every couple of weeks it loses something.I point out that everything that has happened in Marvel comics since the Fantastic Four debuted has happened in approx. 12 years? Just given how much they've aged... Franklin, he's been about 5 for about 20 real years now.Everything in the DC universe has been going on since 1985 when the first Crisis happened. That at least makes more sense, you don't have references to characters who are communist and are trying to subvert the American way of life, or back issues referencing the war in Vietnam or see a group of hippies in the background of a panel.So, by that math, the Secret Wars happened maybe 4 years ago... so in 2004. That crunches everything that happened in the 90's to just the last 3 years.Apparently the "Infinity Chronicles" happened all within a month of eachother.Captain America died maybe 2 weeks ago and he's already back. Possibly in Skrull form."

or Cyborg, clone , stark robot thingie :( or maybe I'm really back :D


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There are waaay to many events. I'm hoping DC leave it at Final Crisis (GL events notwithstanding). Marvel ruined things for me with Civil War. I find it hard to remember a time when either company wasn't in the midst of an event.


There are waaay to many events. I'm hoping DC leave it at Final Crisis (GL events notwithstanding). Marvel ruined things for me with Civil War. I find it hard to remember a time when either company wasn't in the midst of an event.


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If DC or Marvel has a "Big Event" every year, then how big actually is it? I posed this question to DC in the mid/late 80's, after they had run Crisis on Infinite Earths, Legends and then Zero Hour in pretty quick succession. They kind of batted any criticism of the "Big Event" policy out of the park, adn the result is the kind of thing we have in today's comic world. Are we all 100% confident that Final (as in Final Crisis) means Final????


If DC or Marvel has a "Big Event" every year, then how big actually is it? I posed this question to DC in the mid/late 80's, after they had run Crisis on Infinite Earths, Legends and then Zero Hour in pretty quick succession. They kind of batted any criticism of the "Big Event" policy out of the park, adn the result is the kind of thing we have in today's comic world. Are we all 100% confident that Final (as in Final Crisis) means Final????


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Oh yeah, not forgetting that they put Millenium in there between Legends and Zero hour.


Oh yeah, not forgetting that they put Millenium in there between Legends and Zero hour.


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Mighty Thorion says:

"Oh yeah, not forgetting that they put Millenium in there between Legends and Zero hour."

So, they would be literally days apart given how the timeline works in DC.


Mighty Thorion says:

"Oh yeah, not forgetting that they put Millenium in there between Legends and Zero hour."

So, they would be literally days apart given how the timeline works in DC.


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How the ninety hells do you keep track of all these events? I lost count years ago.


How the ninety hells do you keep track of all these events? I lost count years ago.


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Q: Are comic companies trying to trying shove too many big cross-overs down our throats?

A: Yes.

Q: Is it motivated by sales?

A: Yes, but I'm not sure it is as much to force people to buy unrelated books as it is to instill a permanent sense of excitement about whatever big arch is coming next.

Q: Does having such big archs altering the status quo every week make them lose something?

A: Of course.

Q: Why do they keep doing this then?

A: Comic companies do not always make good decisions, or decisions that will benefit their readers in the long run. See: the 90s.


Q: Are comic companies trying to trying shove too many big cross-overs down our throats?

A: Yes.

Q: Is it motivated by sales?

A: Yes, but I'm not sure it is as much to force people to buy unrelated books as it is to instill a permanent sense of excitement about whatever big arch is coming next.

Q: Does having such big archs altering the status quo every week make them lose something?

A: Of course.

Q: Why do they keep doing this then?

A: Comic companies do not always make good decisions, or decisions that will benefit their readers in the long run. See: the 90s.


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so true. I havnt read any comic since I read Civil War Spider-man. I still havent finished all the House of M's. I probably never will read WWH. I started New Avengers but couldnt find any new ones. and after Cap came back I dont even wanna read anymore of his stuff. everything is so d@mn confusing now. and all the other ones I dont think I will ever find if I did decide to read them.


so true. I havnt read any comic since I read Civil War Spider-man. I still havent finished all the House of M's. I probably never will read WWH. I started New Avengers but couldnt find any new ones. and after Cap came back I dont even wanna read anymore of his stuff. everything is so d@mn confusing now. and all the other ones I dont think I will ever find if I did decide to read them.