The Unfair Sex-ism: Why female are so specials?

A special kind of Double Standard that completely screws with logic. A man performing any act that seems evil and unfair in, like say, looking at another woman. Meanwhile, a female character can perpetuate the exact same actions but not receive any sort of penalty or negative dividends for it. As such, the end result of this is usually both that male sexuality (and the expressions thereof) are presented as inherently 'wrong', 'dirty' and 'ugly', and that any problems that arise are automatically the man's fault.

Men Act, Women Are: Men are defined by what they do. Women are defined by what they are.

That Females on the comics are good looking, dont matter what = sexism

That Males on the comic are good looking and are only there so females buy the comics is 100% ok, dont matter that there is no reason for the character or a moment.

In other words Naked Batman would be Ok, but Almost naked Starfire is a huge problem.

Women want fat ugly females on the comic, but they dont want ugly fat guys on the comics.

Fan Girl vs Fan Boy: The former is able to "get away" with actions that would get the latter locked up or looked down upon, in both fiction and Real Life. Girl cosplays? That's childish hence cute! Guy cosplays? He's an asocial loser who needs to get out of his mom's basement. Girl admits to wanting to sleep with a male celebrity, complete with fanart? That's cute, since girls are innocent and childlike, never sinister or dangerous. Guy admits he wants to sleep with a female celebrity, complete with fanart? Creepy stalker who needs to stop fapping to girls he will never have.

Yes i am sick that almost all womens on the comics have big boobs, but i am laso sick all the males on the comics are huge and good looking.

I am also sick most of people on the comics are white or afroamericans, and that the ones that are not a white or afroamerican, are in esssence white.

That all the Atheist are smart, religious people is stupid.

I am also sick that: Latins = Spaniards Asian = Japanese or Chinesse Africans = Africanamericans.

But people always cry about the big boobs and is getting lame.

@Glitch_Spawn: LMAO

How did you wrangle a religious comment into this? Are you even talking about comics by the end of the post? When has an atheist character ever been portrayed next to a religious character as incredibly superior intellectually? Or are you talking about something else?

Females aren't special, thats actually the point. Who wants to be defined solely on what body parts they have? Its an oversimplification to think females (or most minorities = M) are treated special because females (M) are treated in narrower, more cliche, more generic ways. Special isn't always better or greater, sometimes its just otherwise different from what is usual. 

Wait, where are Chinese Africans confused with African Americans? 
 
 
Also, almost everything in your post is stupid. That is all.

If superheros who beat the crap out of people and use their strength all the time weren't jacked to hell it wouldn't make sense. Batman needs muscles to beat people up.

There are huge double-standards in comics, but they extend well beyond that.

@DeathpooltheT1000: I agree with everything you said and am glad you posted this considering the threads that have been created on comicvine recently.

@InnerVenom123 said:

How did you wrangle a religious comment into this? Are you even talking about comics by the end of the post? When has an atheist character ever been portrayed next to a religious character as incredibly superior intellectually? Or are you talking about something else?

He's probably talking about fiction and media in society in general. Which I do agree with him, and find atheists to actually be worse than really religious people and I'm agnostic and don't particularly like the many Jehovah witness living in my area.

@cody1984 said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

How did you wrangle a religious comment into this? Are you even talking about comics by the end of the post? When has an atheist character ever been portrayed next to a religious character as incredibly superior intellectually? Or are you talking about something else?

He's probably talking about fiction and media in society in general. Which I do agree with him, and find atheists to actually be worse than really religious people and I'm agnostic and don't particularly like the many Jehovah witness living in my area.

I disagree about the athiests being worse, they can both be equally bad-- but that's not the point. I was wondering why he even added that in, this is supposed to be about sexism.

I disagree about the athiests being worse, they can both be equally bad-- but that's not the point. I was wondering why he even added that in, this is supposed to be about sexism.

@SC said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

I disagree about the athiests being worse, they can both be equally bad-- but that's not the point. I was wondering why he even added that in, this is supposed to be about sexism.

Its relevant because Galactus is sexy and some people worship at the cup of Galactus or something... uhhm...

Galactus is SO sexy.

Galactus is SO sexy.

@InnerVenom123 said:

@cody1984 said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

How did you wrangle a religious comment into this? Are you even talking about comics by the end of the post? When has an atheist character ever been portrayed next to a religious character as incredibly superior intellectually? Or are you talking about something else?

He's probably talking about fiction and media in society in general. Which I do agree with him, and find atheists to actually be worse than really religious people and I'm agnostic and don't particularly like the many Jehovah witness living in my area.

I disagree about the athiests being worse, they can both be equally bad-- but that's not the point. I was wondering why he even added that in, this is supposed to be about sexism.

They can be equally bad and I have definitely run across some people who fit the negative stereotype of religious people perfectly. Its just in my experience I tend to find atheists quite a bit more delusional when talking about religious people than vice versa...anyway I'm going way off topic. He probably added the religious comment because it’s something else that has been annoying him as of late though it doesn't have anything to do with sexism which is the topic he created.

How did you wrangle a religious comment into this? Are you even talking about comics by the end of the post? When has an atheist character ever been portrayed next to a religious character as incredibly superior intellectually? Or are you talking about something else?

i think all comic characters, male & female, should be hot. i don't wanna look up to a fat, ugly douchebag who never works out & has a terrible diet. & why would i wanna see unattractive women in comics either, that would just make the love stories in the comics & such less believable (yes, i know comics aren't supposed to be overly realistic, but still.) it only bothers me when characters are drawn disproportionally to how they usually are or when written differently than they normally are just to make the comic "sexier." which, i agree, does happen way too often.

Theres is plenty ugly charcetrs both male and female. But i think most people just prefer to look at the non ugly ones. Spawn( Al Simmons) is my fav character ever and he has spent 99% of his time in comics with horrificly burned skin , doenst mean he isnt awesoem some people are ugly as part of the character. I do agree that some characters to get over sexaulized though.

I think about this some times. Like when Red Hood & The Outlawz came out everyone was like "OMG Starfire was in a tiny bikini and was having sex with every one and acting like a slut that is so sexist" yet not one single person said "Roy was sitting about topless looking all buff and him and Jason where both total man whores that would have sex with anything thats totally sexist". Sexism is when one sex is treated better than the other yet imo both male and female where shown to be sexy and pretty loose when it came to doing the deed so I dont see how that is sexism.

The reverse-sexism of some female fans is rarely brought up. It could probably use more discussion.

@cody1984: Thanks you, i am sick and tired of thia Fan Girl Fantasy is OK, but Fan Boy fantasy is wrong, both of them hurt comic books.

@council elite: That piss me off too, i mean i have no problem if tehre is no ugly people on the comic books, i have problem that character look super massive.

@SC: I know that is a problem, but lets face it, this start because starfire have sex with Jason and Roy, even when Dick does the same since i have memory, Dick is good looking, have an amazing body, he is a female fantasy, so i totally ok, Starfire is a male fantasy, so is wrong and dirty, even when Jason and roy do the same thing that her in that number.

@lazystudent: Dick Grayson = Starfire.

@PowerHerc: Say what you think about this?, is like reverse-racism to me, being racist to white people is ok? and being sexist to men is ok?.

@spiderbat87 said:

I think about this some times. Like when Red Hood & The Outlawz came out everyone was like "OMG Starfire was in a tiny bikini and was having sex with every one and acting like a slut that is so sexist" yet not one single person said "Roy was sitting about topless looking all buff and him and Jason where both total man whores that would have sex with anything thats totally sexist". Sexism is when one sex is treated better than the other yet imo both male and female where shown to be sexy and pretty loose when it came to doing the deed so I dont see how that is sexism.

Thank you for notice this, is like no man can be bisexual, if two girls make out is not gay, but if two guys have deep feelings is totally gay, even when both of them dont have any sexuals or romantic feelings for the other.

Is amazing how does people dont notice this.

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

Is that Oracle; out in the middle of nowhere, in her wheelchair oggaling a Ken Doll?

@SC: @RazzaTazz: The problem is that most of people cry about one number or two numbers, so far we dont really know if Starfire cant remember anything, we dont know if Starfire is having sex with them becuase she is some crazy sex male fantasy or there is a deep reason for it.

I mean it could be the fact she feels like crap and have sex with those two, because on her mind that is the rock bottom.

I am more pissed that Barbara can walk again, i mean, she is useless now, she was a better character when she was Oracle, but there is people that is pissed becuase she have bigger boobs, that for the fact she can walk and she is using a lame costume, even when she show you dont neeed a suit to be a hero.

I mean, people that is wheel chairs dont count as people?

No you dont care becuase you are not normal?, there is bigger problem with comics today?

I mean, there is a bunch of problems in comic bookc.

i am sure you can notice many other problems, that hurt the industry.

@SC: @RazzaTazz: The problem is that most of people cry about one number or two numbers, so far we dont really know if Starfire cant remember anything, we dont know if Starfire is having sex with them becuase she is some crazy sex male fantasy or there is a deep reason for it.

I mean it could be the fact she feels like crap and have sex with those two, because on her mind that is the rock bottom.

I am more pissed that Barbara can walk again, i mean, she is useless now, she was a better character when she was Oracle, but there is people that is pissed becuase she have bigger boobs, that for the fact she can walk and she is using a lame costume, even when she show you dont neeed a suit to be a hero.

I mean, people that is wheel chairs dont count as people?

No you dont care becuase you are not normal?, there is bigger problem with comics today?

I mean, there is a bunch of problems in comic bookc.

i am sure you can notice many other problems, that hurt the industry.

@SC:@RazzaTazz: Saddly is the same with wrestling, i am talking of how does bad script hurts things in wrestling in other websites.

Is amazing, how does the plot cares more that anything else.

Saddly the WWE Divas are evidence that men, dont buy the sex sell thing as much as any industry wants to belive, also i have notice that females buy their fantasies as much as men.

It looks like the market is getting bigger, but actually the market that buys wrestling ppvs, dvds and other thing is really small.

Heck even wrestling tv ratings show that we dont live in a time where sex sells or crappy writting.

I am talking about, how does Comic Book, are making the same mistakes that wrestling is making.

You know you have a target audience, they are the people is going to buy, if you try to make your market bigger, it could happen that the market makes smaller.

The industry pisssed off many of his old fan base, so they can win new one, but that outside people dont care, so they dont buy or dont buy for a long time.

That explains, why Wrestling Ratings and comic book sells are getting smaller.

@DeathpooltheT1000:

but i am laso sick all the males on the comics are huge and good looking.

Funny thing is that my favorite comic book character are NOT good looking. Deadpool is horribly scarred, Al Simmons/Spawn has awful burns, Rorschach isn't a Vogue model too.

comic books are visual medium so nearly every character in them is going to be visually attractive....not a lot of people want to read a book about an overweight guy in spandex trying to fight his way up the stairs to get to a villain

I concur with most of that. Could have been a little more eloquent but got the point across.

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

@SC:@RazzaTazz: Saddly is the same with wrestling, i am talking of how does bad script hurts things in wrestling in other websites.

Is amazing, how does the plot cares more that anything else.

Saddly the WWE Divas are evidence that men, dont buy the sex sell thing as much as any industry wants to belive, also i have notice that females buy their fantasies as much as men.

It looks like the market is getting bigger, but actually the market that buys wrestling ppvs, dvds and other thing is really small.

Heck even wrestling tv ratings show that we dont live in a time where sex sells or crappy writting.

I am talking about, how does Comic Book, are making the same mistakes that wrestling is making.

You know you have a target audience, they are the people is going to buy, if you try to make your market bigger, it could happen that the market makes smaller.

The industry pisssed off many of his old fan base, so they can win new one, but that outside people dont care, so they dont buy or dont buy for a long time.

That explains, why Wrestling Ratings and comic book sells are getting smaller.

I believe WWE rating are actually falling because of the rise of MMA, and something similar is happening with comics. The print medium is fading out, and digital is on the rise. Sex creates controversy, and controversy brings attention. Just look at how many people are talking about Catwoman and Starfire, it's impossible to overlook it, and most people will buy into it to find out for themselves. However, sex doesn't maintain long term sales, it only brings attention.

As for the unfair sexism, it's pointless to compare male behavior to female behavior. We are fundamentally different, and it's based mostly on instincts.

@The Devil Tiger said:

@DeathpooltheT1000:
Wrestling is Comic Book writing... OVER NINE THOUSANDS !!!

Seriously, I enjoy wrestling show because I don't take it seriously. I can actually guess what will happen BEFORE the end of a "Fight".

Comics books are worse, because we can feel some kind of artistic ambition, but story and character are often treated with the same sillyness, especially in the mainstream Comics. Now, I think the debate is going more and more irrelevant. There is two issues of these comics, and already too many people are breathing fire about this event, it's getting silly and boring. Sure, double standard aren't cool, and it's truth that guy who doesn't stick to the ideal of the virility are often crushed mercilessly, but te same is truth for girls in some other way. The funny things, is male or female, if you state that you're liking sex, and enjoy some erotic or other stuff like that, you will be gazed like a monster or ostracised in a way or another, believe me. Only time will tell if story will improve, but as early Image Comics experience have showed, you can't take comics readers for stupid, and you can't go on only with massive fanservice forever...

Saddly they take everybody for stupid, thinking that will sell forever and tat people that never buyed a comic will buy it, because of that.

@tim2081 said:

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

@SC:@RazzaTazz: Saddly is the same with wrestling, i am talking of how does bad script hurts things in wrestling in other websites.

Is amazing, how does the plot cares more that anything else.

Saddly the WWE Divas are evidence that men, dont buy the sex sell thing as much as any industry wants to belive, also i have notice that females buy their fantasies as much as men.

It looks like the market is getting bigger, but actually the market that buys wrestling ppvs, dvds and other thing is really small.

Heck even wrestling tv ratings show that we dont live in a time where sex sells or crappy writting.

I am talking about, how does Comic Book, are making the same mistakes that wrestling is making.

You know you have a target audience, they are the people is going to buy, if you try to make your market bigger, it could happen that the market makes smaller.

The industry pisssed off many of his old fan base, so they can win new one, but that outside people dont care, so they dont buy or dont buy for a long time.

That explains, why Wrestling Ratings and comic book sells are getting smaller.

I believe WWE rating are actually falling because of the rise of MMA, and something similar is happening with comics. The print medium is fading out, and digital is on the rise. Sex creates controversy, and controversy brings attention. Just look at how many people are talking about Catwoman and Starfire, it's impossible to overlook it, and most people will buy into it to find out for themselves. However, sex doesn't maintain long term sales, it only brings attention.

As for the unfair sexism, it's pointless to compare male behavior to female behavior. We are fundamentally different, and it's based mostly on instincts.

So i wrong when a women do it, but is not worng with a men do it or backwards?

As for the unfair sexism, it's pointless to compare male behavior to female behavior. We are fundamentally different, and it's based mostly on instincts.

I disagree strongly about that. 
 
Sexism isn't based on instinct, but rather on rationalisation of social standard.  
 
People aren't based entirely on instinct, they think of what they're doing, especially when they must manage their instinct in acceptable social way.
 
 
 

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

As for the unfair sexism, it's pointless to compare male behavior to female behavior. We are fundamentally different, and it's based mostly on instincts.

So i wrong when a women do it, but is not worng with a men do it or backwards?

Both. There are things women can do that men can't and vice versa. It all comes from what men like about women, and women like about men. Men judge women based on attractiveness first, and personality second. Women judge men based on things like money, attractiveness, power, and personality; sometimes all of those factors count, and sometimes not. That is why an unattractive man can become rich and famous and marry a super model, while an unattractive woman who becomes rich and famous still won't gain much more attention. Because of that, gender roles are different. And like I said, it's an instinctual difference, we're born that way. It can't change.

@The Devil Tiger said:

@tim2081:

As for the unfair sexism, it's pointless to compare male behavior to female behavior. We are fundamentally different, and it's based mostly on instincts.

I disagree strongly about that.

Sexism isn't based on instinct, but rather on rationalisation of social standard.

People aren't based entirely on instinct, they think of what they're doing, especially when they must manage their instinct in acceptable social way.

I believe people aren't born with any knowledge, only instincts (just like any other animal). And I agree that the instincts get managed over time by what we learn; but they never go away. A lot of sexism (and racism for that matter) are involuntary. For instance, I think comic writers and artists create women that they personally find attractive, and I don't believe they're sitting there thinking "we must do something to make women feel objectified."

@The Devil Tiger said:

@tim2081:

As for the unfair sexism, it's pointless to compare male behavior to female behavior. We are fundamentally different, and it's based mostly on instincts.

I disagree strongly about that.

Sexism isn't based on instinct, but rather on rationalisation of social standard.

People aren't based entirely on instinct, they think of what they're doing, especially when they must manage their instinct in acceptable social way.

I believe people aren't born with any knowledge, only instincts (just like any other animal). And I agree that the instincts get managed over time by what we learn; but they never go away. A lot of sexism (and racism for that matter) are involuntary. For instance, I think comic writers and artists create women that they personally find attractive, and I don't believe they're sitting there thinking "we must do something to make women feel objectified."

@DeathpooltheT1000: Good Topic bro

@tim2081 said:

@The Devil Tiger said:

@tim2081:

As for the unfair sexism, it's pointless to compare male behavior to female behavior. We are fundamentally different, and it's based mostly on instincts.

I disagree strongly about that.

Sexism isn't based on instinct, but rather on rationalisation of social standard.

People aren't based entirely on instinct, they think of what they're doing, especially when they must manage their instinct in acceptable social way.

I believe people aren't born with any knowledge, only instincts (just like any other animal). And I agree that the instincts get managed over time by what we learn; but they never go away. A lot of sexism (and racism for that matter) are involuntary. For instance, I think comic writers and artists create women that they personally find attractive, and I don't believe they're sitting there thinking "we must do something to make women feel objectified."

I agree that many of the thing like sexims or racism are natural.

Still we can control it, that dont change many of the things people do are not natural and say is my nature just as an excuse to be an ahole.

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

A special kind of Double Standard that completely screws with logic. A man performing any act that seems evil and unfair in, like say, looking at another woman. Meanwhile, a female character can perpetuate the exact same actions but not receive any sort of penalty or negative dividends for it. As such, the end result of this is usually both that male sexuality (and the expressions thereof) are presented as inherently 'wrong', 'dirty' and 'ugly', and that any problems that arise are automatically the man's fault.

Men Act, Women Are: Men are defined by what they do. Women are defined by what they are.

That Females on the comics are good looking, dont matter what = sexism

That Males on the comic are good looking and are only there so females buy the comics is 100% ok, dont matter that there is no reason for the character or a moment.

In other words Naked Batman would be Ok, but Almost naked Starfire is a huge problem.

Women want fat ugly females on the comic, but they dont want ugly fat guys on the comics.

Fan Girl vs Fan Boy: The former is able to "get away" with actions that would get the latter locked up or looked down upon, in both fiction and Real Life. Girl cosplays? That's childish hence cute! Guy cosplays? He's an asocial loser who needs to get out of his mom's basement. Girl admits to wanting to sleep with a male celebrity, complete with fanart? That's cute, since girls are innocent and childlike, never sinister or dangerous. Guy admits he wants to sleep with a female celebrity, complete with fanart? Creepy stalker who needs to stop fapping to girls he will never have.

Yes i am sick that almost all womens on the comics have big boobs, but i am laso sick all the males on the comics are huge and good looking.

I am also sick most of people on the comics are white or afroamericans, and that the ones that are not a white or afroamerican, are in esssence white.

That all the Atheist are smart, religious people is stupid.

I am also sick that: Latins = Spaniards Asian = Japanese or Chinesse Africans = Africanamericans.

But people always cry about the big boobs and is getting lame.

You deserve a loud applause.

*FOLLOWED*

@DeathpooltheT1000:

Nope.

Racism against white people is definitely not OK.

Sexism against men is definitely not OK.

If it's not acceptable one way, it's not acceptable the other way either.

Unfortunately, the media, Hollywood, college campuses and the rest of modern western society does seem to embrace/allow the double standard of reverse-racism and reverse-sexism. Hell, in many cases they actually encourage it.

@PowerHerc said:

@DeathpooltheT1000:

Nope.

Racism against white people is definitely not OK.

Sexism against men is definitely not OK.

If it's not acceptable one way, it's not acceptable the other way either.

Unfortunately, the media, Hollywood, college campuses and the rest of modern western society does seem to embrace/allow the double standard of reverse-racism and reverse-sexism. Hell, in many cases they actually encourage it.

I was making a joke.

I obvious i belive is not ok, the point of all this thread is about the vrappy idea thta is only sexism when men do it.

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

@tim2081 said:

@The Devil Tiger said:

@tim2081:

As for the unfair sexism, it's pointless to compare male behavior to female behavior. We are fundamentally different, and it's based mostly on instincts.

I disagree strongly about that.

Sexism isn't based on instinct, but rather on rationalisation of social standard.

People aren't based entirely on instinct, they think of what they're doing, especially when they must manage their instinct in acceptable social way.

I believe people aren't born with any knowledge, only instincts (just like any other animal). And I agree that the instincts get managed over time by what we learn; but they never go away. A lot of sexism (and racism for that matter) are involuntary. For instance, I think comic writers and artists create women that they personally find attractive, and I don't believe they're sitting there thinking "we must do something to make women feel objectified."

I agree that many of the thing like sexims or racism are natural.

Still we can control it, that dont change many of the things people do are not natural and say is my nature just as an excuse to be an ahole.

I was answering your question about whether reverse racism and/or sexism is okay.

My answer was "Nope." We agree on this.

@ApatheticAvenger:

Anyways, calling sexism on a male's behalf is nearly(if not entirely) pointless. Guys don't usually give a rat's a** about their portrayal. The male gender generally have bigger egos then our opposites, so we're not as sensitive to it as females are.

Does that mean that I agree with sexism at all? Heck no. I think it should be done away with along with all other forms of prejudice, but most men aren't going to get uppity about the portrayal of men in media if confronted with it.

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

There are huge double-standards in comics, but they extend well beyond that.

this

Lots of valid points here.

@Primmaster64 said:

Lots of valid points here.

pretty much

@Primmaster64 said:

Lots of valid points here.

pretty much

@Primmaster64 said:

@difficlus said:

@Primmaster64 said:

Lots of valid points here.

pretty much

I kinda have to agree with the OP in a way.

Nothing wrong with that, there are apparent double standards. Both sexes are been treated unequally.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MenAreGenericWomenAreSpecial

What do you think of starfire?