Black Bolt vs Wonder Woman

Topic started by Eradicator on Nov. 19, 2007. Last post by Gambler 10 months, 3 weeks ago.
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Who wins!


Who wins!


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hey man these are supposed to be in the battles


hey man these are supposed to be in the battles


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Same reason Piccolo wins. Black Bolt doesn't have time to open his mouth before he is laying on the ground dead or knocked out.


Same reason Piccolo wins. Black Bolt doesn't have time to open his mouth before he is laying on the ground dead or knocked out.


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Black Bolt merely has to sing her intro music. By the first pronounced letter, Diana gets crumbled, crunched, and grinded into dust.


Black Bolt merely has to sing her intro music. By the first pronounced letter, Diana gets crumbled, crunched, and grinded into dust.


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White Mage says:

"Black Bolt merely has to sing her intro music. By the first pronounced letter, Diana gets crumbled, crunched, and grinded into dust."

That would be too late. Black Bolt cant think fast enough to counter Diana's speed. She is just below Flash and Superman in reaction time so she could attack Black Bolt at nearly light speed and end the fight before he even opened his mouth.


White Mage says:

"Black Bolt merely has to sing her intro music. By the first pronounced letter, Diana gets crumbled, crunched, and grinded into dust."

That would be too late. Black Bolt cant think fast enough to counter Diana's speed. She is just below Flash and Superman in reaction time so she could attack Black Bolt at nearly light speed and end the fight before he even opened his mouth.


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White Mage says:

"Black Bolt merely has to sing her intro music. By the first pronounced letter, Diana gets crumbled, crunched, and grinded into dust."

well if thats the case bb could take down galactus(yea right)


White Mage says:

"Black Bolt merely has to sing her intro music. By the first pronounced letter, Diana gets crumbled, crunched, and grinded into dust."

well if thats the case bb could take down galactus(yea right)


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Forever says:

"White Mage says:
"Black Bolt merely has to sing her intro music. By the first pronounced letter, Diana gets crumbled, crunched, and grinded into dust."
That would be too late. Black Bolt cant think fast enough to counter Diana's speed. She is just below Flash and Superman in reaction time so she could attack Black Bolt at nearly light speed and end the fight before he even opened his mouth."
IF, she manages to hit him, that could lead to a groan that ends everything.

Forever says:

"White Mage says:
"Black Bolt merely has to sing her intro music. By the first pronounced letter, Diana gets crumbled, crunched, and grinded into dust."
That would be too late. Black Bolt cant think fast enough to counter Diana's speed. She is just below Flash and Superman in reaction time so she could attack Black Bolt at nearly light speed and end the fight before he even opened his mouth."
IF, she manages to hit him, that could lead to a groan that ends everything.

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vegeta says:

"White Mage says:
"Black Bolt merely has to sing her intro music. By the first pronounced letter, Diana gets crumbled, crunched, and grinded into dust."
well if thats the case bb could take down galactus(yea right)"

vegeta says:

"White Mage says:
"Black Bolt merely has to sing her intro music. By the first pronounced letter, Diana gets crumbled, crunched, and grinded into dust."
well if thats the case bb could take down galactus(yea right)"

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White Mage says:

"IF, she manages to hit him, that could lead to a groan that ends everything. "

Or it could lead to severed vocal chords if she decides to throw her tiara. Of course she could simply snap his neck, crush his windpipe with a punch, break his skull... anything that comes to mind really. She is a warrior and would want to kill him instantly, even if she does not know about his power.


White Mage says:

"IF, she manages to hit him, that could lead to a groan that ends everything. "

Or it could lead to severed vocal chords if she decides to throw her tiara. Of course she could simply snap his neck, crush his windpipe with a punch, break his skull... anything that comes to mind really. She is a warrior and would want to kill him instantly, even if she does not know about his power.


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Forever says:

"White Mage says:
"IF, she manages to hit him, that could lead to a groan that ends everything. "
Or it could lead to severed vocal chords if she decides to throw her tiara. Of course she could simply snap his neck, crush his windpipe with a punch, break his skull... anything that comes to mind really. She is a warrior and would want to kill him instantly, even if she does not know about his power."
That's the problem, he just needs to START speaking for effects to take place.

Forever says:

"White Mage says:
"IF, she manages to hit him, that could lead to a groan that ends everything. "
Or it could lead to severed vocal chords if she decides to throw her tiara. Of course she could simply snap his neck, crush his windpipe with a punch, break his skull... anything that comes to mind really. She is a warrior and would want to kill him instantly, even if she does not know about his power."
That's the problem, he just needs to START speaking for effects to take place.

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White Mage says:

"That's the problem, he just needs to START speaking for effects to take place. "

Hmmm. Can he start speaking at light speed? Does he think at light speed? She's almost moving that fast. She can kill him before he recognizes that he is in a fight.


White Mage says:

"That's the problem, he just needs to START speaking for effects to take place. "

Hmmm. Can he start speaking at light speed? Does he think at light speed? She's almost moving that fast. She can kill him before he recognizes that he is in a fight.


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He has defeated the Hulk with it, He is no joke, but Diana is alot quicker and will probably not be as egotistical and try not to take BB head on, thats the key


He has defeated the Hulk with it, He is no joke, but Diana is alot quicker and will probably not be as egotistical and try not to take BB head on, thats the key


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Eradicator says:

"He has defeated the Hulk with it, He is no joke, but Diana is alot quicker and will probably not be as egotistical and try not to take BB head on, thats the key"

When youre as much faster than someone else as she is over him, you dont have to worry about what the other person's powers are. She can just kill him and move on to reading the paper or whatever else she has to do that day.


Eradicator says:

"He has defeated the Hulk with it, He is no joke, but Diana is alot quicker and will probably not be as egotistical and try not to take BB head on, thats the key"

When youre as much faster than someone else as she is over him, you dont have to worry about what the other person's powers are. She can just kill him and move on to reading the paper or whatever else she has to do that day.


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Forever says:

"Eradicator says:
"He has defeated the Hulk with it, He is no joke, but Diana is alot quicker and will probably not be as egotistical and try not to take BB head on, thats the key"
When youre as much faster than someone else as she is over him, you dont have to worry about what the other person's powers are. She can just kill him and move on to reading the paper or whatever else she has to do that day."
Black Bolt can gather electrons to increase his physical power, and his voice.

Forever says:

"Eradicator says:
"He has defeated the Hulk with it, He is no joke, but Diana is alot quicker and will probably not be as egotistical and try not to take BB head on, thats the key"
When youre as much faster than someone else as she is over him, you dont have to worry about what the other person's powers are. She can just kill him and move on to reading the paper or whatever else she has to do that day."
Black Bolt can gather electrons to increase his physical power, and his voice.

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White Mage says:

"Black Bolt can gather electrons to increase his physical power, and his voice."

I'm sorry but what does that have to do with anything? He cant do that quick enough to defend against her either. Tell me how he instantaneously makes himself think and move at near light speeds and I will agree that he lasts more than a nanosecond in this fight. Otherwise I dont see how he has any defense against her.


White Mage says:

"Black Bolt can gather electrons to increase his physical power, and his voice."

I'm sorry but what does that have to do with anything? He cant do that quick enough to defend against her either. Tell me how he instantaneously makes himself think and move at near light speeds and I will agree that he lasts more than a nanosecond in this fight. Otherwise I dont see how he has any defense against her.


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Forever says:

"White Mage says:
"Black Bolt can gather electrons to increase his physical power, and his voice."
I'm sorry but what does that have to do with anything? He cant do that quick enough to defend against her either. Tell me how he instantaneously makes himself think and move at near light speeds and I will agree that he lasts more than a nanosecond in this fight. Otherwise I dont see how he has any defense against her."
It means that he can fight her hand to hand. He can increase his durability.

Forever says:

"White Mage says:
"Black Bolt can gather electrons to increase his physical power, and his voice."
I'm sorry but what does that have to do with anything? He cant do that quick enough to defend against her either. Tell me how he instantaneously makes himself think and move at near light speeds and I will agree that he lasts more than a nanosecond in this fight. Otherwise I dont see how he has any defense against her."
It means that he can fight her hand to hand. He can increase his durability.

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A lot of these responses assume that Diana knows what Black Bolt's power is and will immediately speed blitz him. If she doesn't do that, she's done. All he has to do is keep talking to her until she's been ground into powder.
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A lot of these responses assume that Diana knows what Black Bolt's power is and will immediately speed blitz him. If she doesn't do that, she's done. All he has to do is keep talking to her until she's been ground into powder.
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White Mage says:

"It means that he can fight her hand to hand. He can increase his durability."

He's not fast enough to do that. Even if he could increase his speed to match her (which he can't), he doesn't have the speed to begin to increase his speed before she's already won. Wonder Woman wins.

Anyway, side question. What do you think would happen if he screamed and she blocked with her bracelets?


White Mage says:

"It means that he can fight her hand to hand. He can increase his durability."

He's not fast enough to do that. Even if he could increase his speed to match her (which he can't), he doesn't have the speed to begin to increase his speed before she's already won. Wonder Woman wins.

Anyway, side question. What do you think would happen if he screamed and she blocked with her bracelets?


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Alexander Anderson says:

"A lot of these responses assume that Diana *knows* what Black Bolt's power is and will *immediately* speed blitz him. If she doesn't do that, she's done. All he has to do is keep talking to her until she's been ground into powder.
Post Edited:2007-11-19 15:26:31"

Why is assuming she uses a powerful attack to start with (speedblitz) any different than assuming he uses his most powerful attack to start with? A blitz may not be the norm for Diana, but neither is a full on blast from BB.


Alexander Anderson says:

"A lot of these responses assume that Diana *knows* what Black Bolt's power is and will *immediately* speed blitz him. If she doesn't do that, she's done. All he has to do is keep talking to her until she's been ground into powder.
Post Edited:2007-11-19 15:26:31"

Why is assuming she uses a powerful attack to start with (speedblitz) any different than assuming he uses his most powerful attack to start with? A blitz may not be the norm for Diana, but neither is a full on blast from BB.


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White Mage says:

"It means that he can fight her hand to hand. He can increase his durability. "

Are you only reading part of what I post?

Alexander Anderson says:

"A lot of these responses assume that Diana *knows* what Black Bolt's power is and will *immediately* speed blitz him. If she doesn't do that, she's done. All he has to do is keep talking to her until she's been ground into powder.
Post Edited:2007-11-19 15:26:31"

Not really. Just using her to her utmost capabilities. That's what a character like hers would do in a fight, if she was not constrained by comic book logic (ie. having to have a dramatic fight to sell comics).

Buckshot says:

"He's not fast enough to do that. Even if he could increase his speed to match her (which he can't), he doesn't have the speed to *begin* to increase his speed before she's already won. Wonder Woman wins. Anyway, side question. What do you think would happen if he screamed and she blocked with her bracelets? "

Excellent question. I dont know if it's purely psionic or not. If it is then she probably cant block it, just like she cant block a telepathic attack. I'm not sure but I'm leaning towards that.


White Mage says:

"It means that he can fight her hand to hand. He can increase his durability. "

Are you only reading part of what I post?

Alexander Anderson says:

"A lot of these responses assume that Diana *knows* what Black Bolt's power is and will *immediately* speed blitz him. If she doesn't do that, she's done. All he has to do is keep talking to her until she's been ground into powder.
Post Edited:2007-11-19 15:26:31"

Not really. Just using her to her utmost capabilities. That's what a character like hers would do in a fight, if she was not constrained by comic book logic (ie. having to have a dramatic fight to sell comics).

Buckshot says:

"He's not fast enough to do that. Even if he could increase his speed to match her (which he can't), he doesn't have the speed to *begin* to increase his speed before she's already won. Wonder Woman wins. Anyway, side question. What do you think would happen if he screamed and she blocked with her bracelets? "

Excellent question. I dont know if it's purely psionic or not. If it is then she probably cant block it, just like she cant block a telepathic attack. I'm not sure but I'm leaning towards that.


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Buckshot says:

"White Mage says:
"It means that he can fight her hand to hand. He can increase his durability. "
He's not fast enough to do that. Even if he could increase his speed to match her (which he can't), he doesn't have the speed to *begin* to increase his speed before she's already won. Wonder Woman wins. Anyway, side question. What do you think would happen if he screamed and she blocked with her bracelets? "
That's not going to happen

Buckshot says:

"White Mage says:
"It means that he can fight her hand to hand. He can increase his durability. "
He's not fast enough to do that. Even if he could increase his speed to match her (which he can't), he doesn't have the speed to *begin* to increase his speed before she's already won. Wonder Woman wins. Anyway, side question. What do you think would happen if he screamed and she blocked with her bracelets? "
That's not going to happen

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He is capable of destroying planets. I'm not saying WW is bad, but I am saying that I don't think she wins this one.


He is capable of destroying planets. I'm not saying WW is bad, but I am saying that I don't think she wins this one.


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White Mage says:

"He is capable of destroying planets. I'm not saying WW is bad, but I am saying that I don't think she wins this one."

I dont understand. Say you have a gun that is strong enough to shoot through battleship armor and it's sitting in your holster right now. I have a gun that is just strong enough to kill you with one bullet, no matter where I shoot you and it's aimed at your head right now. I can pull the trigger before you pull your gun out, so it's great that you have such a deadly gun and all, but tell me again how youre going to kill me?


White Mage says:

"He is capable of destroying planets. I'm not saying WW is bad, but I am saying that I don't think she wins this one."

I dont understand. Say you have a gun that is strong enough to shoot through battleship armor and it's sitting in your holster right now. I have a gun that is just strong enough to kill you with one bullet, no matter where I shoot you and it's aimed at your head right now. I can pull the trigger before you pull your gun out, so it's great that you have such a deadly gun and all, but tell me again how youre going to kill me?


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Forever says:

"White Mage says:
"He is capable of destroying planets. I'm not saying WW is bad, but I am saying that I don't think she wins this one."

I dont understand. Say you have a gun that is strong enough to shoot through battleship armor and it's sitting in your holster right now. I have a gun that is just strong enough to kill you with one bullet, no matter where I shoot you and it's aimed at your head right now. I can pull the trigger before you pull your gun out, so it's great that you have such a deadly gun and all, but tell me again how youre going to kill me?"

Nice


Forever says:

"White Mage says:
"He is capable of destroying planets. I'm not saying WW is bad, but I am saying that I don't think she wins this one."

I dont understand. Say you have a gun that is strong enough to shoot through battleship armor and it's sitting in your holster right now. I have a gun that is just strong enough to kill you with one bullet, no matter where I shoot you and it's aimed at your head right now. I can pull the trigger before you pull your gun out, so it's great that you have such a deadly gun and all, but tell me again how youre going to kill me?"

Nice


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Forever says:

"Not really. Just using her to her utmost capabilities. That's what a character like hers would do in a fight, if she was not constrained by comic book logic (ie. having to have a dramatic fight to sell comics)."

I was just curious because people did not seem to make that assumption in the Black Bolt/Piccolo fight. Are there any scans of a WW speedblitz out there? I'd like to see what it looks like in combat.


Forever says:

"Not really. Just using her to her utmost capabilities. That's what a character like hers would do in a fight, if she was not constrained by comic book logic (ie. having to have a dramatic fight to sell comics)."

I was just curious because people did not seem to make that assumption in the Black Bolt/Piccolo fight. Are there any scans of a WW speedblitz out there? I'd like to see what it looks like in combat.


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I just feel that she'd lose. Between his reflexes and his voice, I think he'd win this one.


I just feel that she'd lose. Between his reflexes and his voice, I think he'd win this one.


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Gambler says:

"Nice"

Thanks G.

Alexander Anderson says:

"Forever says:
"Not really. Just using her to her utmost capabilities. That's what a character like hers would do in a fight, if she was not constrained by comic book logic (ie. having to have a dramatic fight to sell comics)."
I was just curious because people did not seem to make that assumption in the Black Bolt/Piccolo fight. Are there any scans of a WW speedblitz out there? I'd like to see what it looks like in combat. "

I'd find them for you, but I'm at work.


Gambler says:

"Nice"

Thanks G.

Alexander Anderson says:

"Forever says:
"Not really. Just using her to her utmost capabilities. That's what a character like hers would do in a fight, if she was not constrained by comic book logic (ie. having to have a dramatic fight to sell comics)."
I was just curious because people did not seem to make that assumption in the Black Bolt/Piccolo fight. Are there any scans of a WW speedblitz out there? I'd like to see what it looks like in combat. "

I'd find them for you, but I'm at work.


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Forever says:

"Buckshot says:
"He's not fast enough to do that. Even if he could increase his speed to match her (which he can't), he doesn't have the speed to *begin* to increase his speed before she's already won. Wonder Woman wins. Anyway, side question. What do you think would happen if he screamed and she blocked with her bracelets? "

Excellent question. I dont know if it's purely psionic or not. If it is then she probably cant block it, just like she cant block a telepathic attack. I'm not sure but I'm leaning towards that.

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She's blocked things that were bigger than her bracelets before and things like huge blasts of energy, but I can't recall her blocking an explosion, which I think is more like what BB's attack is. It's directed, but it's not a single, focused attack like say Superman's heat vision. So while it's coming at her from where BB is, it's still affecting the entire area and would hit her all around, not just one place she could block. The fact that the bracelets are magic makes me think that she might be able to anyway though, but I'm not sure. I think if they had it happen, she'd probably block enough so she could keep fighting, but still get hurt.

EDIT: And about its psionic nature, I don't think the actual attack is psychic in anyway. He has uses for his powers that look psionic, when he manipulates electrons that's psionic, and I think the trigger for the blast may be as well, but the blast itself is a physical force as far as I know. To be honest though, I don't know. I gotta go now, but I'll check later.
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Forever says:

"Buckshot says:
"He's not fast enough to do that. Even if he could increase his speed to match her (which he can't), he doesn't have the speed to *begin* to increase his speed before she's already won. Wonder Woman wins. Anyway, side question. What do you think would happen if he screamed and she blocked with her bracelets? "

Excellent question. I dont know if it's purely psionic or not. If it is then she probably cant block it, just like she cant block a telepathic attack. I'm not sure but I'm leaning towards that.

"

She's blocked things that were bigger than her bracelets before and things like huge blasts of energy, but I can't recall her blocking an explosion, which I think is more like what BB's attack is. It's directed, but it's not a single, focused attack like say Superman's heat vision. So while it's coming at her from where BB is, it's still affecting the entire area and would hit her all around, not just one place she could block. The fact that the bracelets are magic makes me think that she might be able to anyway though, but I'm not sure. I think if they had it happen, she'd probably block enough so she could keep fighting, but still get hurt.

EDIT: And about its psionic nature, I don't think the actual attack is psychic in anyway. He has uses for his powers that look psionic, when he manipulates electrons that's psionic, and I think the trigger for the blast may be as well, but the blast itself is a physical force as far as I know. To be honest though, I don't know. I gotta go now, but I'll check later.
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Forever says:

"Alexander Anderson says:
"Forever says:
"Not really. Just using her to her utmost capabilities. That's what a character like hers would do in a fight, if she was not constrained by comic book logic (ie. having to have a dramatic fight to sell comics)."
I was just curious because people did not seem to make that assumption in the Black Bolt/Piccolo fight. Are there any scans of a WW speedblitz out there? I'd like to see what it looks like in combat. "

I'd find them for you, but I'm at work."

No big deal, I'm just curious.


Forever says:

"Alexander Anderson says:
"Forever says:
"Not really. Just using her to her utmost capabilities. That's what a character like hers would do in a fight, if she was not constrained by comic book logic (ie. having to have a dramatic fight to sell comics)."
I was just curious because people did not seem to make that assumption in the Black Bolt/Piccolo fight. Are there any scans of a WW speedblitz out there? I'd like to see what it looks like in combat. "

I'd find them for you, but I'm at work."

No big deal, I'm just curious.


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Alexander Anderson says:

"Forever says:
"Not really. Just using her to her utmost capabilities. That's what a character like hers would do in a fight, if she was not constrained by comic book logic (ie. having to have a dramatic fight to sell comics)."

I was just curious because people did not seem to make that assumption in the Black Bolt/Piccolo fight. Are there any scans of a WW speedblitz out there? I'd like to see what it looks like in combat.

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Alexander Anderson says:

"Forever says:
"Not really. Just using her to her utmost capabilities. That's what a character like hers would do in a fight, if she was not constrained by comic book logic (ie. having to have a dramatic fight to sell comics)."

I was just curious because people did not seem to make that assumption in the Black Bolt/Piccolo fight. Are there any scans of a WW speedblitz out there? I'd like to see what it looks like in combat.

"

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