Zack Snyder on the difference between DC & Marvel

Is director Zack Snyder worried about moviegoers getting sick of the superhero movie genre before the DC Cinematic Universe get off the ground though? "If [this gеnrе] tаlks аbоut us аnd thе humаn соnditiоn, whiсh I think hоpеfully thеsе mоviеs dо in sоmе wаy, thеn I think thаt it dоеsn’t rеаlly hаvе аn еxpirаtiоn dаtе," the filmmaker revealed. "But l dо bеliеvе thе sоrt оf mаss-mаrkеtеd соnsumеrist vеrsiоn соuld gеt thin if yоu’rе nоt саrеful. Wе’vе just gоt tо bе саrеful."

Man of Steel came under fire for the amount of death and destruction which was included in the movie, and it's a topic which has been talked to death for the past two years. Avengers: Age of Ultron went out of its way to show heroes saving civilians, but the Batman v Superman helmer has his own thoughts on that. "I wаs surprisеd bесаusе thаt’s thе thеsis оf Supеrmаn fоr mе, thаt yоu саn’t just hаvе supеrhеrоеs knосk аrоund аnd hаvе thеrе bе nо соnsеquеnсеs,. Thеrе аrе оthеr supеrhеrо mоviеs whеrе thеy jоkе аbоut hоw bаsiсаlly nо оnе’s gеtting hurt. Thаt’s nоt us."

Hoenstly, AoU hammering the fact that they save people actually made the first movie look worse. In the first movie, hundreds of people die and they basically acted like they had a good time. But in AoU the showed that the Hulk felt bad after seeing people all scraped up and scared (But Iron Man knew that knocking HUlk into the building would result in no casualties) . A really messed up moral system.

People died- WHO WANTS SHWARMA!

People have boo boos- Hulk Sad T-T

@saintwildcard: There weren't dead bodies littered in the street and if

DD didn't acknowledge the deaths we never would've known people died

Neither was there in Man of Steel

That only makes his point more true. That they destroy things but don't acknowledge the ramifications. Thereby making their movies seems more like Saturday Morning Cartoons.

I completely agree with Snyder on this.

Funerals always make me crave shawarma now.

"I wаs surprisеd bесаusе thаt’s thе thеsis оf Supеrmаn fоr mе, thаt yоu саn’t just hаvе supеrhеrоеs knосk аrоund аnd hаvе thеrе bе nо соnsеquеnсеs,. Thеrе аrе оthеr supеrhеrо mоviеs whеrе thеy jоkе аbоut hоw bаsiсаlly nо оnе’s gеtting hurt. Thаt’s nоt us."

I actually agree with this idea.

I don't mind Man of Steel. The only problem I had was Jonathan Kent.

its a freaking movie.

seems legit

No excuses Snyder, you failed miserably, Hollywood basic knowledge, you dont cast Russell Crowe and not have him beat the crap out of everyone

Whether is' "realistic or not" and if there's consequences or not... I'll just remember.. suspension of disbelief..

xoxo, -Saint Sophie

Uh. He casually smashed the big bad.

@saintwildcard: In MOS there weren't bodies strewn about but you just knew with all that collateral damage they were killing plenty of people.

In AOU Tony deliberately avoided civilians citizens against the Hulk and went out of his way to save them. And the Avengers were ready to die if theyou couldn't clear out the civillains in time.

In real life tense situations people do laugh at the situation when it's over its not that unrealistic really.

@kgb725: They even evacuated entire island of ppl. Only one they showed dying is quicksilver and it didn't affect the viewers, who cared?

The thing with Man of Steel's destruction is that if Clark got side tracked and rescued everyone the Kryptonians would have won. People being hurt was the symptom. Clark went after the cause.

Plus the Avengers had guys to spare. Cap, Widow and Hawkeye were useless against the big threats so they stayed on the street.

As with the Avengers as well. Stop trying to play this double standard dude. Hulk Knocked one of those whales into a building. People died, you simply choose to say that no one died cus everyone was being funny and happy music was playing. That's like spray painting a corpse pink and putting flowers on it, you see a pretty doll, I see a dead body. THey covered it up, and the fact that they covered it up only to break it down by making fighting a threat like this serious in AoU and then saying that people did die in DD makes their actions in the first Avengers either cartoony or deaf to the travesty that surround them. I get trying to joke in a travesty, but stop acting as if that makes all the death okay.

@saintwildcard: All the death is OK they couldn't prevent it in the same way that Superman could have they tried their best to stop all the carnage and couldn't be everywhere at once while Superman was fighting one man . When did the Hulk put a whale in a building ? Are you talking about when he punched Thor ?

I'm not saying no one died I'm saying it's not as noticeable as in MOS and even if people did die doesn't mean everything has to be all gloomy

Superman tried his best and was getting his ass beat. It was his first day, he had no battle experience and was fighting military trained soldiers. The Avengers was a team of all highly trained heroes with a secret organizations helping them figthing bad guys that made Stormtroopers look like Navy Seals. The difference in situations should be obvious by now. As for saving people, he was saving people left and right in Smallville, but Zod was a mad dog who was not toying with Clark.

So basically you want for them to keep proving Zack Snyder right?... and now we're back where we started. I know that as movies go on Superman will improve, but there was a point to the fight being the way it was. It was the befogging of his journey from Clark Kent to Superman. That was the point. I'd rather have a point, than a joke.

@saintwildcard: Your criticism is of Avengers not AOU the same points don't hold weight in the sequel

So AoU somehow gave Clark more experience and made his threat a jobber? Or did it make the Ultron army bots any less jobber? Cus if not, it holds the same weight.

@kgb725: they weren't noticeably because they were covered up by jokes .. Like I'm always made ,puny God , I'm bringing the party etc ., the only real noticble heroic scene was captain America saving civilians ..

They were literally making jokes while people were dying .. While Loki rides around on Santa slay

Man of steel was basically one hero in his first day fighting damn near 7 gods .. And a world engine ...

I really like this point....and very true, people are getting hurt which of course was not shown prominently and hidden and heroes are making jokes and worse thing is they just acknowledge it in such bad way at least BVS is indulging deeply into the MOS destruction fact what we have after avenger lets see a guy getting PTSD, Shield making more weapons which ultimately used for targeting human and lots of soldier died,and finally they made another mess out of it named Ultron who may or may not killed many humans...I am not seeing anywhere any repercussion of Avengers actions, what realistic about that...basically MCU movies are go to theater shove popcorn in your face laugh on cheesy jokes and experience some high class CGI action fest...thanks I will prefer DC anyday...

It's really not that serious.

I liked the idea of John Kent. That he would sacrifice himself to make sure his son isn't found out about until he's ready. And as we saw from the car argument, he clearly was still immature.

The only angle I was irked with was going back for a dog. I mean, I know some people love their animals, I have some and I do...but going back for another person would have been a stronger reason.

Talking about the human condition dont mean its a good movie, it means its trying to be more deep, but many movies fall into faux deepness, most of the ones that try to be honest.

Marvel =/= Micheal Bay: As much as i hate their overuse of comedy and the fact that are getting too funny for their own good, Marvel accepts a part of comic books, the absurd part of them, remember that this was one of the reason why comics got better after the hiper serious dark gritty Xtreme "mature" 90s.

X Men or Nolan Batman, but you made Superman darker that Batman, many complaints have a point, Nolan was less dark but more serious, i think tons of people forget serious =/= mature.

I am happy DC isnt Marvel and doesnt fall into the same excess, but DC could fall in their own.

@jedixman: Yeah he may as well have been Bernie Mac from Soul Men.

Clark: What was I suppose to do? Just let em die?

Jonathan: Yes! Yes, that's exactly what you should have done. F*ck them kids!

Clark: F*ck the kids?

Jonathan: Yeah.

Lmfao. Yeah Snyder you are soooo deep. These are f@cking comic book characters stop taking yourself so serious. Keep on being edgy brah...

If anyone says that about MOS, they've clearly not been paying attention to any news about BvS.

What Snyder said is what I say is MCU's biggest flaw.

Hulk batters Abomination and just carries on running and the government know his location but don't do squat.

Thor comes down to earth and does damage and very one just carries on like it's a normal thing. The president gets kidnapped and only Ironman and Rhodey are there to get him, wait what?

An Alien army are here to invade the world, no army presence, people die and these guys go to eat shwarma. A year later another alien invasion threatning the entire universe still no Avengers anywhere. Good thing Civil War is happening.

Snyder's being sincere and honest... THIS speaks the whole truth of the direction of the two studios:

I agree with Snyder it could probably be the difference between keep doing comic book films or not.

@kfabz-23: What about Phase 2? Those weapons were created specifically to defend Earth from alien threats because of the events of Thor.

Thor on Avengers bought up how his foolish arrogance brought death and destruction.

Everything Tony has done since Avengers has been due to what he saw in that wormhole.

Hence the creation of Ultron.

I guess with me, I watch each movie as one film. Makes things more coherent.

@guardiandevil83: those are very personal consequences. When someone who was believed to be Norse mythology came down to world, what would that do to things like religion, how will that effect the public. The public in the MCU seem to be way too casual about.

Again with Tony Stark decisions since the worm hole, that's personal to him. What Snyder means is public consequences. Winter Soldier battle in public, Ironman vs Whiplash, Hulk vs Abomination, Thor vs Malekith had little to no consequences.

@saintwildcard: They were in a war, of course people were gonna die.

But even then they were trying to contain the the threat.

Beata

Seems like he wants an excuse to make disaster porn.

Beata

.....I mean, do you really want to get into it? Try harder please, this argument has more holes than a bathroom stall.

Or to.... *sigh* whatever. You're giving me a headache.

@guardiandevil83: I think he was referring to how everything changes in light of recognition. Sure they had ideas, tried to make weapons to even stand a chance, but even then, measure out how many times they have done nothing and how many times they have done something. The whole point of a shared universe is that everything affects the universe. So things like president kidnapping should involve shield and cap, widow. I'm still surprised the government hasn't opposed the superheroics(I know civil war is coming up but it's a lil late.) basically marvels flaw is not recognising how serious things can get and what impact they have. In MOS supes actually did save people, and he tried to move Zod, in the end we saw what the world engine did, we saw the military recognise superman as a threat/ally so we had superman fall into what was a universe rather than a movie.

The main problem people seem to have with MOS was that Superman wasn't the seasoned hero we all know from the comics, they completely ignore the fact that the Superman in that movie was literally having his very first battle and it was against people with equal power who were literally born soldiers. They made it a plot point that Zod was genetically engineered to be a soldier. So basically he was over matched in numbers and actual combat ability on his first day on the job and somehow he was supposed to be able to dictate the battle?

@saintwildcard: If you would so kindly explain my "holes" it would be much appreciated.

Beata

@joshmightbe: It was Clark's journey to becoming Superman, it's not a Superman movie.

He's not wrong. I don't understand why people are criticizing this as being 2deep4u, when in reality he's only applying really basic logic.

What has the easier job?

A team of highly trained fighters beating an army of jobber monsters that can get killed by kung fu kicks.

or one guy taking on a world destroying machine, 2 highly trained military soldiers and a mad man who has the same power level as you who is making it his lifes goal to kill everyone one by one.

I agree with this. I compare a lot of the complaints about this movie to basically a medical intern being asked to do solo brain surgery on his first day, then people being shocked that something went wrong.

AoU wrote in a giant Deus Ex Machina.

Even a group of 8 heroes couldn't save a tiny city, but Superman was supposed to save a Manhattan sized city?

Marvel tried too hard.

Oui vey *rolls eyes*

It's really not that serious....it just really isn't

MARVEL Studios does their films one way. WB/DC goes the other way with theirs. ...i DON'T want both companies making the same style of Superhero Films.

Do people look for reasons not to enjoy something? (Rhetorical question)

@joshmightbe: Good comparison. I don't know how you could compare the Avengers and MOS. Avengers had a 8 people, including Quicksilver and Shield to keep civillians.

Zack Snyders opinion on films in general is about as valuable as my dogs.

@saintwildcard: What does that have to do with anything? I was commenting on how you seem to think the Avengers were carefree doofuses in the first movie. Which just isn't true.

Their number one priority was the safety of the people of new york. Yes some people died, but The Avengers tried their best to limit the casualties. And at the end of the day, after overcoming the odds, is it wrong for them to be cheerful?

And Zack Snyder is a hypocrite. After The Battle of Metropolis and Superman snapping Zod's neck, the scene wasn't followed with a serious look on what just occured, it was followed by a badly done joke scene. Which is no different than The Avengers going out for dinner after battle(which is a veey humanizing scene in contrast to that akward scene at the end of MOS).

Beata