Yata Mirror vs Truth Seeking Ball *Naruto Discussion

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The Yata Mirror was an ethereal shield wielded by the left arm of Itachi's Susanoo. It is said to be endowed with all nature transformations and able to change its characteristics to any nature transformation to completely negate any attack, whether it be spiritual, or physical.

Yata Mirror is considered as the strongest defensive in Naruto verse. Its ability is to be able to deflect any attacks.

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Truth-Seeking Balls are spheres of malleable blackchakra composed of all five nature transformationsand Yin–Yang Release,and are capable of negating all forms of ninjutsu. Each is about the size of a fist and hides within enough power to completely obliterate a forest.

The Truth seeking orbs don't atomize things they simply turn things into nothing which is completely different from turning things into tiny particles. The black orbs can turn ninjutsu into nothing back to point of zero.

If those two things collide between each other, who will win?

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Yata Mirror gets disintegrated

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@just_banter I still don't get it after watching that video. Can you help explain it to me? I only understand a little bit.

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@andr413: It was pretty much saying that if an immovable object (yata mirror) meets an unstoppable force (Truth seeking balls) and both are truly unstoppable/immovable (like those two are) the only logical way to keep both sides true is if they pass right through each other.

Pretty much the attacks negate each other so perfectly that they can't attack to begin with

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Going with TSB.

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#9  Edited By Ratava

TSB, better feats

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Yata cant be penetrated, it says it right in the manga by Kaguyas zetsu.

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@andr413: It was pretty much saying that if an immovable object (yata mirror) meets an unstoppable force (Truth seeking balls) and both are truly unstoppable/immovable (like those two are) the only logical way to keep both sides true is if they pass right through each other.

Pretty much the attacks negate each other so perfectly that they can't attack to begin with

So it's more like a stalemate?

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Yata mirror isn't a Jutsu so the TSB ninjutsu nullification will be irrelevant. This leaves us with offensive power VS defensive power, in which case TSB have the better feats.

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@andr413 said:
@just_banter said:

@andr413: It was pretty much saying that if an immovable object (yata mirror) meets an unstoppable force (Truth seeking balls) and both are truly unstoppable/immovable (like those two are) the only logical way to keep both sides true is if they pass right through each other.

Pretty much the attacks negate each other so perfectly that they can't attack to begin with

So it's more like a stalemate?

I'd say more like the fight couldn't even physically happen, it's like two beings that are intangible all the time fighting, they can't really fight to begin with.

But I guess it can be considered stalemate

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Yata has been stated to be capable of blocking anything, both in the manga and in the databooks. The TSB gets deflected, as Yata Mirror truly is an immovable object, but, as we've seen countless times in the manga, the TSB is not at all an unstoppable force.

Hashirama easily catches the TSB fired by Kurama and uses it as the first Rasengan
Hashirama easily catches the TSB fired by Kurama and uses it as the first Rasengan

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stalemate

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The yata mirror is obviously a hyperbole,it gets shattered

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Truth seeking ball avoids Yata Mirror and hits Godtachi from behind. The fanboys get angry because Godtachi can't solo every multiverse of every franchise at the same time now that he's dead.

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@kramotz said:

Yata has been stated to be capable of blocking anything, both in the manga and in the databooks. The TSB gets deflected, as Yata Mirror truly is an immovable object, but, as we've seen countless times in the manga, the TSB is not at all an unstoppable force.

Hashirama easily catches the TSB fired by Kurama and uses it as the first Rasengan
Hashirama easily catches the TSB fired by Kurama and uses it as the first Rasengan

that's a bijuu bomb, not a TSB

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@nickras: Hates on Itachi / Calls him Godtachi

You're an idiot, but at least you see Itachi was what he is: a god.

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@nickras: Yata changes its form to cover from all angles. Itachi is unbeatable with Yata out except for Kamui maybe and its debateble on wether it would even work.

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@nickras: Yata changes its form to cover from all angles. Itachi is unbeatable with Yata out except for Kamui maybe and its debateble on wether it would even work.

Where was this ability shown? Is Itachi fast enough to react to the Gudoudama by changing Yata's form?

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@nickras: Yata changes its form to cover from all angles. Itachi is unbeatable with Yata out except for Kamui maybe and its debateble on wether it would even work.

Except the Yata Mirror is nigh featless when it comes to damage deflection.

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This isn't a question of immovable object vs unstoppable force, this is no-limits fallacy 1 vs no-limits fallacy 2.

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This isn't a question of immovable object vs unstoppable force, this is no-limits fallacy 1 vs no-limits fallacy 2.

Then who will win?

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@andr413 said:

Then who will win?

Flip a coin.

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TSB

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I believe the TSB will be dominate because they have Yin-Yang release as well. I don't know if Yata mirror has Yin-Yang release.

Otherwise, they'll just physically repel one another if they both have every form of energy. .

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here is the thing. the belief that they would stalemate is wrong. that assumption is just a an assumption. you have to take into account UTILITY.

the yata mirror is just a shield it can not change into a spear, or a sword or a big boom it. its also false to believe its intangible to block a physical attack it has to have a physical component. just as to block a spiritual attack it has to have a spiritual, its both physical and spiritual and therefore both both tangible and intangible. What else is both? Chakra. its a chakra construct bound with all the elements, most likely including Yin Yang Release. a simple assumption would that because they both are similar they would stalemate. but they won't

the truth is that the Truth seeking balls can only be countered by sage mode. the Yata Mirror doesn't have sage mode and therefore it would be destroyed by the TSBs

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Lore-wise TSB are far higher in the food chain in-universe, they should bypass or destroy the Yata Mirror