#1 Edited by StormShadow_X (1603 posts) - - Show Bio

Just asking. Would Mutants have better luck In DC?

#2 Edited by hart7668 (2294 posts) - - Show Bio

In DC, everyone is just suspicious or rather, scared, of the Justice League. Especially Superman. So, I doubt it.

#3 Posted by lightsout (1827 posts) - - Show Bio

I would think so, if only because the whole basis for the X-hate isn't very well thought out (nothing wrong with that, they were created a long time ago, & for a good purpose (of social commentary)). Their genetic mutation (which definitely doesn't make them a different species than homo sapiens) that gives them not-normal abilities are supposed to make them different than other humans who have their physiology altered to give them powers? It's a bit dumb.

In the DCU if there's any ill-feelings it's just powered vs non-powered (which makes sense IRL - you should be wary of someone who's a god by comparison), so they wouldn't face the pure bigotry they face in the MU.

#4 Posted by nojellykid (149 posts) - - Show Bio

equalists are in every universe

#5 Posted by bob808 (6766 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes

#6 Posted by Experio (15150 posts) - - Show Bio

The humans would react the same way as the Marvel humans and call the mutants freaks with a new Senator Kelly like person stepping forward and hiring a guy like Trask to create Sentinels to hunt them down while the Justice league deal with their bigger problems like the Avengers which prevents them from helping.

But meh......

#7 Posted by lightsout (1827 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio said:

The humans would react the same way as the Marvel humans and call the mutants freaks with a new Senator Kelly like person stepping forward and hiring a guy like Trask to create Sentinels to hunt them down while the Justice league deal with their bigger problems like the Avengers which prevents them from helping.

But meh......

Why? There's plenty of "mutated humans" in DC's world (many more freakish than many "mutants") & the same isn't seen there. Marvel's differentiation between "mutants" & other genetically-different humans (Spiderman, etc) lacks a lot of logic (like I said before - not that that's crazy. These writers likely studied english, not science. And Stan's reason (to mirror real-life discrimination of the time) was admirable & needed at the time. Today it just doesn't make sense in the context of the larger Marvel Universe. (And I know, a lot of people agree that the X-Men universe has a habit of acting like a separate universe & likely could function as one)).

#8 Posted by LyraFay (2519 posts) - - Show Bio

I think if you look at some of the characters in the DC universe such as Negative man or Metamorpho, they were also invented around the same time as the X-men, they were looked on as weird and odd (same with Swamp Thing,) which was an interesting contrast to heroes such The Flash, Green Lantern and Superman who are praised and worshipped by the DCU population this interesting especially since DC is pro-establishment when it comes to their superheroes as opposed to Marvel which was anti-establishment. However I doubt they would have a better time in the DCU than the MCU.

#9 Edited by Experio (15150 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout: There are but that doesn't mean some people weren't freaked unless they're used to monster looking creatures walking with them ordinarily

#10 Posted by The Stegman (23803 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sure SOME people will distrust them, but The general public praises an alien with god like powers who also keeps his true identity a secret and doesn't work with any governments, I think they will trust mutants, plus, the DC clitizens aren't as ungrateful as the Marvel ones.

#11 Posted by Jphu8414 (3554 posts) - - Show Bio

They'll still get hated on but not as much as in Marvel

#12 Posted by Extremis (3344 posts) - - Show Bio

I bet they would. Shoot, if they can accept Superman and alien Red Lanterns terrorizing Paris, then yeah. I'd say DCU wouldn't give two shits.

#13 Edited by lightsout (1827 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio: But what you were originally saying was that the same large-scale hate-campaign (a government "sponsored" one at that) would arise, and that's much stronger than "some people being freaked". There hasn't been anything like that in DC, so in theory there wouldn't be any for "mutants" if they were transported to the DCU.

That is one difference - off hand I can't think of many visually mutated people walking around in DC (not too main-stream, at least), ie: 'they're not used to it'.... though to be fair DC doesn't really focus on "people with powers who aren't heroes/villains" (and that aspect is a huge part of the X-men world - people who are mutants but just regular people) but I'm sure there has to be people with abilities who don't use them "professionally" (that's pretty unique to X-men to feature such people heavily...another way they're much different from the rest of the MU). And it might be a moot point anyway, since in the MU mutant-hate isn't just for the visually mutated, but for anyone who is labeled a mutant.

#14 Posted by The Stegman (23803 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio: But what you were originally saying was that the same large-scale hate-campaign (a government "sponsored" one at that) would arise, and that's much stronger than "some people being freaked". There hasn't been anything like that in DC, so in theory there wouldn't be any for "mutants" if they were transported to the DCU.

That is one difference - off hand I can't think of many visually mutated people walking around in DC (not too main-stream, at least), ie: 'they're not used to it'.... though to be fair DC doesn't really focus on "people with powers who aren't heroes/villains" (and that aspect is a huge part of the X-men world - people who are mutants but just regular people) but I'm sure there has to be people with abilities who don't use them "professionally" (that's pretty unique to X-men to feature such people heavily...another way they're much different from the rest of the MU). Andit might be a moot point anyway, since in the MU mutant-hate isn't just for the visually mutated, but for anyone who is labeled a mutant.

Well, to be fair, half of the original Teen Titans aren't normal looking, Starfire is orange and half naked, Beast Boy is Green and furry, Cyborg is...Cyborg, yet they not only get respect, but an entire island dedicated to their home base. But, I do agree that people don't just hate mutants cause they look weird, a good chunk of the mutant hate is because they look TOO MUCH like humans, and are "hiding among us".

#15 Posted by Oni_Bane (1581 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh Definitely. I really wish Marvel would stop hating on the X-men

#16 Posted by LyraFay (2519 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sure SOME people will distrust them, but The general public praises an alien with god like powers who also keeps his true identity a secret and doesn't work with any governments, I think they will trust mutants, plus, the DC clitizens aren't as ungrateful as the Marvel ones.

I always liked that picture!

#17 Posted by Experio (15150 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout: The Campaign and the trask part was a coincident joke which could never happen. But all I'm saying is they wouldn't be 'okay' with funny looking mutants as the people would automatically judge through their looks and call the cops or something, in time they would either be forced to accept or start a world wide petition. DC has accepted aliens like Superman who became a hero but he is easily adaptable while not all mutants are like Mystique.

#18 Posted by Aros001 (447 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the difference lays in the beginning of both comic companies. DC tried to make hero comics that people wanted to read because the characters would act they way that we'd like to believe we would act. While Marvel tried to make their comics slightly more realistic and the characters would act more like how we actually would act.

Summary:

DC is more of of how we'd like to be.

Marvel is more of what we are.

#19 Posted by lightsout (1827 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: Fine...go ahead & point out my glaring omission :p

I think that strengthens the fact that the DC world would be cool w/mutants. (If only because the traditional DCU is more of an ideal than what the real world is (trusting people, especially those different/more-powerful, etc). Marvel's hate/fear of different people is more realistic...just not applied correctly/consistently).

#20 Edited by lightsout (1827 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: (just saw picture post), great example of how idealistic/trusting the DCU is!

@experio - Stegman provided a good example of the DCU being "cool" with different looking powered-people --> many of the Teen Titans.

@aros001 Yep, hits the nail on the head. Though the n52 seems to be trying to use the Marvel-model these past few years. (Funny thing, is how the movies are sort of reversing the tones the companies were "known for" for so long. DC more gritty & Marvel more "fun times!").

#21 Posted by The Stegman (23803 posts) - - Show Bio

@lyrafay said:

@the_stegman said:

I'm sure SOME people will distrust them, but The general public praises an alien with god like powers who also keeps his true identity a secret and doesn't work with any governments, I think they will trust mutants, plus, the DC clitizens aren't as ungrateful as the Marvel ones.

I always liked that picture!

Yeah, the DC public actually loved the Avengers when they came (though to be fair, they just thought they were other members of the JL)

#22 Posted by Experio (15150 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout: True, and its also a great example of the difference between the Marvel and DC. Like what aros said, Marvel is more realistic and show how real life people would react while DC show how we'd like it to be.

#23 Posted by lightsout (1827 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio: Yea, I think more people need to frame DC like that. That is, so many (or so it seems) label DC as being too goody-goody (what with most heroes not killing etc), when it's really an ideal/goal/dream....and I think it's good to have dreams. (On a similar note, DC generally seems to be a little more futurist too, and that could explain more "forward thinking". Marvel's got it's share of tech-geniuses, but in-terms of the whole world, DCs seems a bit more advanced than our own (which Marvel is closer to)).

#24 Edited by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow (1394 posts) - - Show Bio

I would think so

#25 Posted by RustyRoy (11902 posts) - - Show Bio

Not in New 52.

#26 Posted by UrbanChill (221 posts) - - Show Bio

easily

#27 Posted by LyraFay (2519 posts) - - Show Bio

@lyrafay said:

@the_stegman said:

I'm sure SOME people will distrust them, but The general public praises an alien with god like powers who also keeps his true identity a secret and doesn't work with any governments, I think they will trust mutants, plus, the DC clitizens aren't as ungrateful as the Marvel ones.

I always liked that picture!

Yeah, the DC public actually loved the Avengers when they came (though to be fair, they just thought they were other members of the JL)

Well that makes total sense, if I lived in the DCU, I would think they were Justice League members too!!