Why is there atheist in DC/Marvel and other fictional universes.

#1 Posted by PurpleCandy (722 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

I'm not sharing my philosophy or religion just making points

It's one thing to be an atheist in the real world, since to be real any would-be God hasn't spoke to a group of people in ages. So I can see there point. But in the comicverse there's alot of people who doubt the existance of gods when Gods and Demons alike visit the Earth casually. I mean I would hate to live in the Marvel universe since Norse and Olympian gods coexist and visit the earth all the time, realistically there would be so many wars. Wouldn't that make all the Christians in the Marvel or DC world question there religion when they witness another one in action.

Now off the comics, I am going to talk about Family Guy (The MacFarlanverse), God, Jesus, Vishnu and all those other gods seem to make casually visits and contact with Earth yet there is alot of atheist. Now it's pointless to question the continuity of a comedy, esp. from Seth Macfarlane. Not to mention the same thing goes on in South Park... well I'll leave that one to you.

#2 Posted by Joygirl (6391 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Because it's cool to be an atheist.

#3 Posted by PurpleCandy (722 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

Because it's cool to be an atheist.

Well if I lived in the comicworld where theres a gazillion gods I'd be an everythingist

#4 Posted by Joygirl (6391 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@PurpleCandy: Oh, so would I. Because people like to instantly equate "man of science" with "atheist", regardless of whether or not it makes sense. Also very amusing as the greatest men of science were also believers.

#5 Posted by PurpleCandy (722 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@Joygirl:

I forgot wether it was history class or ancient aliens, but the rise of associating atheism with science started during the renaissance

#6 Posted by NiKva (94 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

The "gods" in the Marvel universe could easily be denounced as superhumans who've gained a religious cult.

#7 Edited by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

I am an atheist and I trust or have faith in science more than the other disciplines. In dc, it is possible to be an atheist if the near eastern mythology gods/angels/lucifer/demons are just aliens living on planets same as the new gods. For survival after death in comics, can just say it is pseudo science psychic energy so just replace spirit with energy and it will sound scientific, so the afterlife can be explained as a psychic plane. It is possible to use both science and religions as explanations altho I do ok with science alone. Biologists and nobel prize winners tend to have a higher percentage of atheists. Mathematicians tend to have more believers. Many who accept evolution as the explanation for life on earth have no need for the older religious explanations. In america, those who accept evolution are about 50% and atheists are about less than 20%. In some european countries, the religious have become a minority.

#8 Edited by KnightRise (3971 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Because the mythological and religous figures are sometimes considered misinterpretations of otherworldy, cross-dimensional, or reailty warped events. Thats what Mr Terrific says. Religions are oddly specific and in a comic universe, at a certain point one might question what allows them to coexist.

There doesn't have to be a denial of; but maybe an explaination how. Ie, Magicians warp and manipulate transit energy fields, and so on

#9 Posted by PurpleCandy (722 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@NiKva said:

The "gods" in the Marvel universe could easily be denounced as superhumans who've gained a religious cult.

When your from another realm, yield mystic otherworldy pwer, are immortal, and have one point in time had omnipotence, your kind of a god.

#10 Edited by Hazlenaut (1701 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

In a comic world, It would take an atheist is someone in denial as god/gods are right in front of their face unless they are atheist by killing gods to make that correction. Is there a check list of what makes a god, titan, or etc

#11 Posted by Jorgevy (4767 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

for the same reason world wide super stuff happens all the time and no one gives a damn or why even though most people should know about super humans, EVERYTIME there's one around they go like NO WAY, as if it hadn't been shown on tv. also, for the same reason people in comics think pics of super heroes on the web making super power shizzle are photoshopped

it's a common trope that I can't remember that is also associated with some disorder - something like "xxxx blindness" - basically if it makes you uncomfortable to see it or know about it you ommit it, and dont see it anymore or take it as fake

#12 Posted by JonSmith (2572 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Actually, this was kind of covered with Supergirl, of all people. During a period where she was an angel (complicated), she met a boy who claimed to be God. Naturally, she didn't believe him, asking for a miracle as proof. The kid pointed out that in a world where people lift planets, fly with planes, manipulate matter, and generally do the impossible every day, what manner of miracle could possibly serve as proof of godhood?

So basically, an atheist can exist in the Marvel and DC universes, because the 'Gods' there are basically VERY high end superhumans. If they already don't believe such a thing as 'god' exists, why would they change that because a particularly powerful individual is the source of a religion? An immortal, superpowerful being such as Zeus and Odin comes to Earth, and show off their power. Humans, wanting Gods to worship, choose them. Boom. Religion. The REAL problem as I see it is why there aren't MORE people worshiping the AEsir and Greek Pantheon. An atheist standpoint is understandable because, hey, superhumans exist. Superhumans are widespread and aliens have been visiting for a LONG time. The logical nature of an atheist beliefs (or lack thereof) would lead to the assumption that hey, these gods are aliens.

Conversely, those who worship religion, you would think they'd turn to representatives like Thor and Hercules who are actually DOING something, in this case, something being tossing around lightning, pulling islands, and generally saving the world. Definitely worship worthy. Hell, they had followers WAY back BEFORE they started doing that stuff, as Thor: God of Thunder has shown extensively. So why aren't MORE people worshipping these guys rather than hanging onto religions WITHOUT representatives?

#13 Posted by PurpleCandy (722 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@JonSmith said:

Actually, this was kind of covered with Supergirl, of all people. During a period where she was an angel (complicated), she met a boy who claimed to be God. Naturally, she didn't believe him, asking for a miracle as proof. The kid pointed out that in a world where people lift planets, fly with planes, manipulate matter, and generally do the impossible every day, what manner of miracle could possibly serve as proof of godhood?

So basically, an atheist can exist in the Marvel and DC universes, because the 'Gods' there are basically VERY high end superhumans. If they already don't believe such a thing as 'god' exists, why would they change that because a particularly powerful individual is the source of a religion? An immortal, superpowerful being such as Zeus and Odin comes to Earth, and show off their power. Humans, wanting Gods to worship, choose them. Boom. Religion. The REAL problem as I see it is why there aren't MORE people worshiping the AEsir and Greek Pantheon. An atheist standpoint is understandable because, hey, superhumans exist. Superhumans are widespread and aliens have been visiting for a LONG time. The logical nature of an atheist beliefs (or lack thereof) would lead to the assumption that hey, these gods are aliens.

Conversely, those who worship religion, you would think they'd turn to representatives like Thor and Hercules who are actually DOING something, in this case, something being tossing around lightning, pulling islands, and generally saving the world. Definitely worship worthy. Hell, they had followers WAY back BEFORE they started doing that stuff, as Thor: God of Thunder has shown extensively. So why aren't MORE people worshipping these guys rather than hanging onto religions WITHOUT representatives?

Sorry you lost me there, I always thought arguing about irl religion never solved a thing arguing about comicbook religion won't work either lol. But I kind of see what you mean

#14 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

In dc, an atheist is possible by interpreting all gods as aliens and deny the existence of a single god in control of all the universes so no need to pray. Afterlife can be explained as a natural process not supervised by a single god more powerful than all the new gods.

#15 Posted by Teerack (3245 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Because it makes sense.

#16 Posted by InnerVenom123 (27736 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Because people like to be represented in their comics...?

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#17 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

So far, in super hero comics, there has been little depiction of religious behavior and most of the characters behave as if there is no big god in charge of all the universes and it is very rare that there is any depiction of prayers. DC is trying to do more realistic stories which might be why sometimes they will say somebody is an atheist since in real life in America, about 10% to 20% are atheists.

#18 Posted by SC (9996 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Lots of humans in real life have claimed to be god, and many humans have probably sincerely thought they were god, and many humans have fulfilled some of the criteria that is often used as far as defining a god (worshipped, had their name invoked, had followers and believers, were considered supernatural, required faith from followers) but that doesn't mean they are a god. Depending on how you define the term.

So how are any other beings different? Even fictional beings who can fulfill more of the criteria than real life humans (incredible differences in power etc nigh immortal, over thousands of years old) Atheism is a lack of belief in deities, but you have to consider what deities mean exactly. Personally I believe Marvel Thor when he says he is a god, but only because I know his mother is the Earth. I think that if the Earth is your literal mother then titles like god can apply to you. So I am basically playing around with the criteria of deity there. Then again I can't divorce myself from the fact that you know? Its all fiction and that the most powerful deity in the Marvel Universe happens to look like Jack Kirby coincidentally one of Marvels best creative minds.

#19 Posted by Sharkbite (257 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

I acknowledge that many people do possess big feet. I recognize that some people may call this large footed person "Bigfoot". But I do not believe in "The Bigfoot" as described by the In Search of Sasquatch television show.

Those comic aethiests can recognize that beings have a high amount of "godlike" power. They can recognize that some people call these beings "Gods". But they do not have to accept that Thor, Orion, Big Barda, etc, are actually "God" as described by the dogma of various religious sects.

#20 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

#21 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (2762 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Maybe it's just that while there are gods, the Atheist characters choose not to worship them.

#22 Posted by ssejllenrad (11829 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

They may not be atheists (non-believers) but agnostic-atheists (don't-give-a-damn)... Like Han Solo. He was face-to-face with a goddamn force wielder and he still didn't believe in The Force!

#23 Posted by JimTheSurfer (558 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

Because it's cool to be an atheist.

And this, gentlemen, is your stereotypical atheist.

#24 Posted by xybernauts (856 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

I think it's because some people don't think that extreme levels of power as portrayed in comic books can be interpreted as being supernatural and godly. You see a good example o this in the Stargate SG1 series and subsequent spin-offs. No matter how powerful and transcendent some of the beings they come across are they always chalk it up to some form of scientific advancement or some science that earth simply haven't studied and learned. Even the Ori and Ancients who literally ascended into a higher plane of existence are interpreted this way.

Some people simply believe that things that some people interprete as being supernatural are simply forms of highly advanced science and technology yet to be discovered, so no matter how magical or how powerful a being is they always bring them down reducing them to something that isn't worth building a faith around.

#25 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

In the dcu, if the Justice League or Darkseid or Highfather actually finds a person in control or able to control all of the universes, they probably would be afraid of this powerful person and might even start bowing down. The powerful person could be good or evil or capricious or just crazy like the Joker.

#26 Posted by EMH_Bruce (505 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Sorry, when I read this, this image just popped in my head...

You're like a magician (Green Lantern - The Animated Series #09)
#27 Posted by BlackWind (2260 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

A: The character is being stubborn and saying "You're not a deity you're a powerful extradimensional being or a very advanced alien"

B: The character says, "Okay, you're a deity and many others exist. I'm still not worshipping you"

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