So whenever I see threads where Bats is given alot of time, he mostly wins.
But I dont get it; I know of 2 people with better prep and they dont win everytime.
Black Panther has more resources.
Dexter builds plannet busters in a afternoon.
Why is He BatGod?
Dexter is rarely used, but when he is almost always wins.
Black Panther is not as well known for prep as Batman, plus it could be argued that Batman may have better resources due to New God and Kryptonian tech.
I also like how no one complains that Reed Richards and Dr.Doom also are always picked to win when they have prep. Seems like a bit of a double standard to mention one and not the others.
" Dexter is rarely used, but when he is almost always wins. Black Panther is not as well known for prep as Batman, plus it could be argued that Batman may have better resources due to New God and Kryptonian tech. I also like how no one complains that Reed Richards and Dr.Doom also are always picked to win when they have prep. Seems like a bit of a double standard to mention one and not the others. "Yeah, if you give guys like the ones you stated alot of prep, they end up winning 9/10 times.
But I just find it weird that Batman is so overestimated with prep, while others are underestimated.
Everyone says Reed and Doom insta win with prep." @Decoy Elite said:
" Dexter is rarely used, but when he is almost always wins. Black Panther is not as well known for prep as Batman, plus it could be argued that Batman may have better resources due to New God and Kryptonian tech. I also like how no one complains that Reed Richards and Dr.Doom also are always picked to win when they have prep. Seems like a bit of a double standard to mention one and not the others. "Yeah, if you give guys like the ones you stated alot of prep, they end up winning 9/10 times. But I just find it weird that Batman is so overestimated with prep, while others are underestimated. "
Not saying you're wrong, but you can't just ignore those two when you mention prep insta wins.
Oh and Dexter wins 10 out of 10 with prep if he's bloodlusted.
Batman was smart enough to develop a split personality for himself in case of emergency.
Peaople say Doom wins without preparation, with guy he can not beat, the same about Reed, most of the times i see Batman without preparation, people say he lose, even in matches he could win easy, i mean, Midnigther win always, even when the other guys have powers that could beat his brain thing.
" Batman was smart enough to develop a split personality for himself in case of emergency. "Oh I know, but I dont get why he is bat god.
@Decoy Elite said:
" @Sirealkillz said:Everyone says Reed and Doom insta win with prep. Not saying you're wrong, but you can't just ignore those two when you mention prep insta wins. Oh and Dexter wins 10 out of 10 with prep if he's bloodlusted. "" @Decoy Elite said:
" Dexter is rarely used, but when he is almost always wins. Black Panther is not as well known for prep as Batman, plus it could be argued that Batman may have better resources due to New God and Kryptonian tech. I also like how no one complains that Reed Richards and Dr.Doom also are always picked to win when they have prep. Seems like a bit of a double standard to mention one and not the others. "Yeah, if you give guys like the ones you stated alot of prep, they end up winning 9/10 times. But I just find it weird that Batman is so overestimated with prep, while others are underestimated. "
Huh? I was agreeing with you, I know how reed and Doom are over.
And Dexter wins but that is because its true. :P
This thread is most likely to turn into just people either agreeing or disagreeing about how good Bats is with prep.
" Batman was smart enough to develop a split personality for himself in case of emergency. "batman is insane
" I would add Nick Fury to this discussion "Nick Fury is pretty good, although I think he's more about overall plans. His are usually pretty realistic(and don't involve super alien god tech most of the time) thus don't really look as impressive as Bat's, Reed's, BP's, or Doom's. Although I agree he should be well noted for being a very good tactician.
" @Night Thrasher said:I would add Fury for the intelligence part of prep. He has hands down the best intel in comics. That's about 75% of prep. You can give Bats all the Tech in the world, if Fury has the intel to prepare for it then he has better prep." I would add Nick Fury to this discussion "Nick Fury is pretty good, although I think he's more about overall plans. His are usually pretty realistic(and don't involve super alien god tech most of the time) thus don't really look as impressive as Bat's, Reed's, BP's, or Doom's. Although I agree he should be well noted for being a very good tactician. "
" @Decoy Elite said:Not really. His Intel isn't always perfect and it's usually not applied in the same over the top way as most of the prep masters." @Night Thrasher said:I would add Fury for the intelligence part of prep. He has hands down the best intel in comics. That's about 75% of prep. You can give Bats all the Tech in the world, if Fury has the intel to prepare for it then he has better prep. "" I would add Nick Fury to this discussion "Nick Fury is pretty good, although I think he's more about overall plans. His are usually pretty realistic(and don't involve super alien god tech most of the time) thus don't really look as impressive as Bat's, Reed's, BP's, or Doom's. Although I agree he should be well noted for being a very good tactician. "
" @Night Thrasher said:True, but his mastery of espionage is on par with Bats' detective skills. If Bats is the "world's greatest detective" (which is debatable b/c Elongated Man was portrayed as at least his equal in the early years), then Nick Fury is the "world's greatest spy", which is at least on par with a greatest detective." @Decoy Elite said:Not really. His Intel isn't always perfect and it's usually not applied in the same over the top way as most of the prep masters. "" @Night Thrasher said:I would add Fury for the intelligence part of prep. He has hands down the best intel in comics. That's about 75% of prep. You can give Bats all the Tech in the world, if Fury has the intel to prepare for it then he has better prep. "" I would add Nick Fury to this discussion "Nick Fury is pretty good, although I think he's more about overall plans. His are usually pretty realistic(and don't involve super alien god tech most of the time) thus don't really look as impressive as Bat's, Reed's, BP's, or Doom's. Although I agree he should be well noted for being a very good tactician. "
When Hugo Strange unpredictably came back and announced he knew that Bruce Wayne was Batman. Pretty good read, i must admit. That whole series was really well done however underrated.
" @Decoy Elite said:I don't think tittles should really count. Hulk is called "The strongest one there is" when at any given time there are Marvel characters who are stronger or as strong and as you mentioned the whole Batman as "The World's greatest detective" when there's other detective characters who are just as good, if not better." @Night Thrasher said:True, but his mastery of espionage is on par with Bats' detective skills. If Bats is the "world's greatest detective" (which is debatable b/c Elongated Man was portrayed as at least his equal in the early years), then Nick Fury is the "world's greatest spy", which is at least on par with a greatest detective. "" @Decoy Elite said:Not really. His Intel isn't always perfect and it's usually not applied in the same over the top way as most of the prep masters. "" @Night Thrasher said:I would add Fury for the intelligence part of prep. He has hands down the best intel in comics. That's about 75% of prep. You can give Bats all the Tech in the world, if Fury has the intel to prepare for it then he has better prep. "" I would add Nick Fury to this discussion "Nick Fury is pretty good, although I think he's more about overall plans. His are usually pretty realistic(and don't involve super alien god tech most of the time) thus don't really look as impressive as Bat's, Reed's, BP's, or Doom's. Although I agree he should be well noted for being a very good tactician. "
" @Night Thrasher said:True. The point is that Nick Fury is just as good, if not better than, espionage as Bats is a detective. Given that, I think Fury should be considered on the list along with the Black Widow." @Decoy Elite said:I don't think tittles should really count. Hulk is called "The strongest one there is" when at any given time there are Marvel characters who are stronger or as strong and as you mentioned the whole Batman as "The World's greatest detective" when there's other detective characters who are just as good, if not better. "" @Night Thrasher said:True, but his mastery of espionage is on par with Bats' detective skills. If Bats is the "world's greatest detective" (which is debatable b/c Elongated Man was portrayed as at least his equal in the early years), then Nick Fury is the "world's greatest spy", which is at least on par with a greatest detective. "" @Decoy Elite said:Not really. His Intel isn't always perfect and it's usually not applied in the same over the top way as most of the prep masters. "" @Night Thrasher said:I would add Fury for the intelligence part of prep. He has hands down the best intel in comics. That's about 75% of prep. You can give Bats all the Tech in the world, if Fury has the intel to prepare for it then he has better prep. "" I would add Nick Fury to this discussion "Nick Fury is pretty good, although I think he's more about overall plans. His are usually pretty realistic(and don't involve super alien god tech most of the time) thus don't really look as impressive as Bat's, Reed's, BP's, or Doom's. Although I agree he should be well noted for being a very good tactician. "
" @Night Thrasher: Being a great spy doesn't mean that you're great with prep and Black Widow has never done anything impressive with prep. "has she ever done anything impressive period? I can't think of a single instance where she hasn't had her ass handed to her by any character of B-list or higher.
" @Decoy Elite said:This has been mentioned before and I too have never really seen her do anything impressive. That said, I'm not a big Black Widow fan so take what I say with a grain of salt." @Night Thrasher: Being a great spy doesn't mean that you're great with prep and Black Widow has never done anything impressive with prep. "has she ever done anything impressive period? I can't think of a single instance where she hasn't had her ass handed to her by any character of B-list or higher. "
"This has been mentioned before and I too have never really seen her do anything impressive. That said, I'm not a big Black Widow fan so take what I say with a grain of salt. "neither am I truth be told. I've read a lot of avengers in my time. But still, she seems to lose all the time.
" @Decoy Elite said:I've seen her beat Jigsaw and some thugs in a Daredevil comic, but that's about it."This has been mentioned before and I too have never really seen her do anything impressive. That said, I'm not a big Black Widow fan so take what I say with a grain of salt. "neither am I truth be told. I've read a lot of avengers in my time. But still, she seems to lose all the time. "
" I've seen her beat Jigsaw and some thugs in a Daredevil comic, but that's about it. "so her best feat is beating a mid level D-lister?
" @Decoy Elite said:I'm sure she has better feats than that, I just haven't seen them." I've seen her beat Jigsaw and some thugs in a Daredevil comic, but that's about it. "so her best feat is beating a mid level D-lister? "
" @Crom-Cruach: Same. I like her character, but she is not nearly on the top of my list. "Eh, I liked her in the ultimate verse. But beyond that she never caught my intention as someone worth time to track down her stories. Not when there are far more interesting female characters in comics.
" @Silver2467 said:I can agree with that, except for the Ultimate version. I have not read very many Ultimate comics beyond Ultimate SpiderMan and Daredevil." @Crom-Cruach: Same. I like her character, but she is not nearly on the top of my list. "Eh, I liked her in the ultimate verse. But beyond that she never caught my intention as someone worth time to track down her stories. Not when there are far more interesting female characters in comics. "
"I can agree with that, except for the Ultimate version. I have not read very many Ultimate comics beyond Ultimate SpiderMan and Daredevil. "Ultimate spider-man is my favorite spiderman run. I haven't checked ultimate Daredevil. But in my opinion the best part of the Ultimate universe is the Ultimates (ultimate avengers). Or was until it was raped and spit on when Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum hit the shelves.
*incoherent rants of uncontrollable rage*
" @Silver2467 said:Ultimate Daredevil is somewhat boring, in my opinion. I have not read too much involving him, but from what I have read, it is not too intriguing. I much prefer the mainstream SpiderMan than any other run. Although I am still pissed about OMD and always will be until the re-retcon that."I can agree with that, except for the Ultimate version. I have not read very many Ultimate comics beyond Ultimate SpiderMan and Daredevil. "Ultimate spider-man is my favorite spiderman run. I haven't checked ultimate Daredevil. But in my opinion the best part of the Ultimate universe is the Ultimates (ultimate avengers). Or was until it was raped and spit on when Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum hit the shelves. *incoherent rants of uncontrollable rage* "
*incoherent rants of uncontrollable rage*
" Although I am still pissed about OMD and always will be until the re-retcon that. *incoherent rants of uncontrollable rage* "*joins Silver2467 in rants of incoherent rage*
" @Night Thrasher: Being a great spy doesn't mean that you're great with prep and Black Widow has never done anything impressive with prep. "I'm going to have to disagree with this. Being a great spy, along with being a great detective, is all about prep. What exactly is prep? Prep is planning based upon the information gathered. The gathering of the information is the hard part of prep. That's why Bats is so good at it. His intel is superior to most. That's why I put Fury and Black Widow there. Also Oracle, and Martian Manhunter. Agree or disagree, to me prep is 85% intel.
" @Crom-Cruach said:Don't get me started on the Ultimate universe and OMD." @Silver2467 said:Ultimate Daredevil is somewhat boring, in my opinion. I have not read too much involving him, but from what I have read, it is not too intriguing. I much prefer the mainstream SpiderMan than any other run. Although I am still pissed about OMD and always will be until the re-retcon that. *incoherent rants of uncontrollable rage* ""I can agree with that, except for the Ultimate version. I have not read very many Ultimate comics beyond Ultimate SpiderMan and Daredevil. "Ultimate spider-man is my favorite spiderman run. I haven't checked ultimate Daredevil. But in my opinion the best part of the Ultimate universe is the Ultimates (ultimate avengers). Or was until it was raped and spit on when Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum hit the shelves. *incoherent rants of uncontrollable rage* "
Also, being a detective has nothing to do with being great with prep. Being a great spy might, but a detective...no just no.
" @Night Thrasher: Gathering intel isn't the only part of prep. For instance, if someone knows that Superman is weak to Kryptonite this does not mean they can instantly beat Superman as they still need to get the Kryptonite in the first place and they need to figure out how to use it correctly against him. Also, being a detective has nothing to do with being great with prep. Being a great spy might, but a detective...no just no. "I believe I stated that gathering intel isn't the only part of prep... but to me it's the most important part. The better your intel the better you can prepare. That's why football teams spend so much time watching tapes.
" @Rot said:But all the preparing in the world can't save a team if they don't have the right players. Get what I'm saying?" @Night Thrasher: Gathering intel isn't the only part of prep. For instance, if someone knows that Superman is weak to Kryptonite this does not mean they can instantly beat Superman as they still need to get the Kryptonite in the first place and they need to figure out how to use it correctly against him. Also, being a detective has nothing to do with being great with prep. Being a great spy might, but a detective...no just no. "I believe I stated that gathering intel isn't the only part of prep... but to me it's the most important part. The better your intel the better you can prepare. That's why football teams spend so much time watching tapes. "
" @Night Thrasher said:That's true, but you can be the most talented team in the league...if your not prepared then your going to lose." @Rot said:But all the preparing in the world can't save a team if they don't have the right players. Get what I'm saying? "" @Night Thrasher: Gathering intel isn't the only part of prep. For instance, if someone knows that Superman is weak to Kryptonite this does not mean they can instantly beat Superman as they still need to get the Kryptonite in the first place and they need to figure out how to use it correctly against him. Also, being a detective has nothing to do with being great with prep. Being a great spy might, but a detective...no just no. "I believe I stated that gathering intel isn't the only part of prep... but to me it's the most important part. The better your intel the better you can prepare. That's why football teams spend so much time watching tapes. "
" @Rot said:Yes, yes that's true but it doesn't really debunk what I'm saying here." @Night Thrasher said:That's true, but you can be the most talented team in the league...if your not prepared then your going to lose. "" @Rot said:But all the preparing in the world can't save a team if they don't have the right players. Get what I'm saying? "" @Night Thrasher: Gathering intel isn't the only part of prep. For instance, if someone knows that Superman is weak to Kryptonite this does not mean they can instantly beat Superman as they still need to get the Kryptonite in the first place and they need to figure out how to use it correctly against him. Also, being a detective has nothing to do with being great with prep. Being a great spy might, but a detective...no just no. "I believe I stated that gathering intel isn't the only part of prep... but to me it's the most important part. The better your intel the better you can prepare. That's why football teams spend so much time watching tapes. "
" @Night Thrasher said:I'm not trying to. The whole point was Batman and prep. I simple want to put a value to being a master in a field that is basically all about prep. Characters like Fury, Black Widow, Oracle, Essential, Ghost, etc are inherently adapt at prep and thereby should be considered as rivals in prep along with Bats." @Rot said:Yes, yes that's true but it doesn't really debunk what I'm saying here. "" @Night Thrasher said:That's true, but you can be the most talented team in the league...if your not prepared then your going to lose. "" @Rot said:But all the preparing in the world can't save a team if they don't have the right players. Get what I'm saying? "" @Night Thrasher: Gathering intel isn't the only part of prep. For instance, if someone knows that Superman is weak to Kryptonite this does not mean they can instantly beat Superman as they still need to get the Kryptonite in the first place and they need to figure out how to use it correctly against him. Also, being a detective has nothing to do with being great with prep. Being a great spy might, but a detective...no just no. "I believe I stated that gathering intel isn't the only part of prep... but to me it's the most important part. The better your intel the better you can prepare. That's why football teams spend so much time watching tapes. "
I dont even know why, i mean other guys always win, even when they face guys with more power and smarter.
Main Example Storm, whe always wins.
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