In my opinion, The Dark Knight Rises was my favorite one. Also, when people say Batman Begins is the best one....how? lol
Why do some people think The Dark Knight Rises was "Ok" or "Bad"?
@MurieC16: @cattlebattle said:
Well, people have something called an opinion, and like different things :)
pretty much this.
Also, what's the problem of thinking Batman Begins was the best? what I don't get is your point of view. Some people think TDK is the best, others prefer TDKR and others, like me, think Batman Begins is awesome and TDK went down in comparison. It's an opinion like many others, my opinion. Doesn't mean it's right but it's what I feel
Oh, I have a long list of reasons but I'd rather not piss anyone off because it's solely my opinion and mine alone. I respect that people loved the film but I hate when they assume that everyone has to as well.
As much as I like the movie (and I like it a lot), I have to admit that the movie did have a lot of flaws, like things that weren't explained well (or at all). So it seems totally reasonable to me that other people wouldn't be as forgiving as I am (or conversely, like the good parts as much as I did).
I had a few problems with the movie, but overall I enjoyed it and thought it was an alright ending to the trilogy. I didn't like the socialist undertones of the movie, I can go into example, but then I would be spoiling it. I didn't like Bane's voice, he didn't sound very menacing. I was also unimpressed with the vehicles again, I didn't particually like what was reveiled at the end involving Bane. I didn't like how it ended for Batman either. But again, with that being said I enjoyed it.
Also "blowing up" Heinz Field.. unforgivable in my book, but I did like seeing my Pittsburgh Steelers in the movie. Oh as a side note did anyone find it odd the team name was Rogues.. Gotham Knights would have been so much better.
@joshmightbe said:
I think turning Bane into Talia's pet at the end put many people off
Yes it did... It was still awesome, though. I think it would have been so much better if Ledger was alive and had made a cameo. I preferred the Dark Knight most.
@Nova`Prime` said:
Also "blowing up" Heinz Field.. unforgivable in my book, but I did like seeing my Pittsburgh Steelers in the movie. Oh as a side note did anyone find it odd the team name was Rogues.. Gotham Knights would have been so much better.
Really? I didn't notice that. I just assumed they were the Knights. Why would they change that?
To me the people who don't like the film, and the Trilogy in general boils down to three categories.
1. They simply don't like it, it's not their cup of tea, which is understandable
2. They are angry Batman fanboys that whine about the films not being accurate to the comics despite the fact that it is its own universe and separate from the comics.
3. They are hipsters who hate anything that is popular, the Dark Knight trilogy is popular, thus they must hate it.
@jobiwankenobi:I don't know if there is a football team in the comics in Gotham and if there is what its name is, I just found it odd they went with Rogues instead of Knights. I just think Knights sounds better.
@Nova`Prime`: In Batman TAS and The Justice League there was a team and it was The Gotham Knights. Weren't you referring to that?
While I do think that Dark Knight Rises was the best of the trilogy I can see why people would prefer either of the previous two films. TDKR drew heavily from both the first and the second film and for some people that can be a turn off. Also The Dark Knight allowed Nolan a bit more free reign to express his artistic vision, while Batman Begins was a far easier film to make and had much more universal appeal (the source material saw to that).
@The Stegman said:
To me the people who don't like the film, and the Trilogy in general boils down to three categories. 1. They simply don't like it, it's not their cup of tea, which is understandable 2. They are angry Batman fanboys that whine about the films not being accurate to the comics despite the fact that it is its own universe and separate from the comics. 3. They are hipsters who hate anything that is popular, the Dark Knight trilogy is popular, thus they must hate it.
I thought the ending was incredibly cheesy, found the first act boring, and strongly disliked about five characters. Although there were various elements in the middle such as the prison scenes and first Bane fight that I enjoyed. For me it was definitely the worst of the trilogy, and would have no urge to give it another chance if I wasn't such a fan of the genre.
I have been one of the biggest Batman haters on ComicVine... yet I thought The Dark Knight Rises was High Quality... not quite as good as The Dark Knight but Very Good still in it's own right.
I did enjoy the movie, but I think it may be my least favorite of the trilogy. Dark Knight and Batman Begins are 1 and 1a to me and Rises is a close second but second none the less. I thought it was a pretty predictable movie for the most part and nothing really jumped out as phenomenal to me. Ledgers performance in Dark Knight was great, and I really liked Caine and Freeman's parts a lot better in Begins. Rises was a good movie but I would not call it 'Epic' or even on par with the rest of the trilogy.
@The Stegman said:
To me the people who don't like the film, and the Trilogy in general boils down to three categories. 1. They simply don't like it, it's not their cup of tea, which is understandable 2. They are angry Batman fanboys that whine about the films not being accurate to the comics despite the fact that it is its own universe and separate from the comics. 3. They are hipsters who hate anything that is popular, the Dark Knight trilogy is popular, thus they must hate it.
I loved the first two films, with Batman Begins being my all time favourite comic-book film. There was just so much about TDKR that disappointed me. It wasn't a bad film in any sense, just lacking compared to the other two in the trilogy.
Everyone has their own taste in movies... Alot of people believe including me that the original is the best..... So the original Dark Knight film just seems better than the newer one.
@MurieC16: actually people do not like as much it because the look at it as another film in the trilogy and not as the end of the trilogy. we all knew this was the last film and we all knew where it was going pretty much. unlike the first two where almost any thing could happen. it lacked any real suprises and the ones it did have you would have to be pretty out of the comivine realm to not think of before hand.if people thought about it like that there would be a much more postive reaction. and just like the star wars movies i one liked and best film was the middle one.
@Nova`Prime`: not picking on you but you did mention it. i don't were you see socialist overtone as a problem being that 1. the bad guys where the ones with them and 2. everything goes back to normal at the end of film and 3. the hero is a rich guy. so unless your a socialist, tell me why you were bother by that?
Some things bugs me.
Spoilers::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
-Bane not so smart and his 'epic' death
-Robin, give him his real name, show some respect to the readers.
-Talia played by a bad actress
-The kiss between Batman and Catwoman, it was dull and predictable
-The final fight is way too easy for Batman
@Alfolantern94: I thought Bane was pretty smart and maybe the death could have been better, I wasn't too thrilled about Robin John Blake, I mean I was hoping it would be Richard Grayson.
and of Course the Catwoman-Batman kiss was predictable.
As for the final fight. take a look at the situation: Batman is fighting on the ground in the middle of the city with mercenaries and cops clashing all over in broad daylight-making Batman unable to use stealth like he can at night and having a rematch against Bane, the guy that snapped his back like a Twix Bar and unable to use the Bat as much because of the allies he has in the fray.
@KenTheProfile said:
@Nova`Prime`: not picking on you but you did mention it. i don't were you see socialist overtone as a problem being that 1. the bad guys where the ones with them and 2. everything goes back to normal at the end of film and 3. the hero is a rich guy. so unless your a socialist, tell me why you were bother by that?
Not a problem at all, what I mean was when you see Bane's people taking over the city it looks like every working stiff is joining his little revolution, which in reality wouldn't be true.. you saw door men dragging people out of the buildings and what not. Then you have Catwoman's little hanger on saying "It's everybody's house" when she says, "This use to be somebodies house". It was just enough to irritate me, but not enough for me to dislike the movie. Also any movie that makes me root for cops get a downgrade.
I think it's because ppl (me included) went to the movie expecting to feel the same way we did when leaving The Dark Knight: excited, pumped, mindblown. But this movie had a different..."feel" to it. It was an...and ending. But the more I reflected on it, the more I appreciated the genius behind the film. To take all of the elements from Batman storylines that Nolan did and then weave them so seamlessly into his own story is incredible. And the film conveyed a lot more menace. Even though stuff got real with the Joker, there was still a sort of perverse levity. The films sort of mirroed their villians: Joker's film mirrored the way he would beat you--laughing all the way; DKR reflected how bane would finish you--putting his foot on your chest and crushing you slowly
@Nova`Prime`: thanks for responing so intelligently and politle. been having some trouble with that from others on cv (no anyone who posted on this board.)
I would add that i would ask the same question of those who see the movie having fascist overtones.
@KenTheProfile: I didn't notice any type of fascist overtones... I guess we can all see what we want in any movie. And the more I think about it, I wouldn't say out right socialist, but what it did remind me of was the French Revolution were they were going after the rich just because they were rich.
I disagree with Banes voice not being menacing. Bane is suppose to be strong, skilled, and highly intelligent. I think his voice reflected his intelligent side, while his body and fight scenes displayed his ruthlessness and physique. And I also think TDKR was awesome, but like every other movie, had its flaws. I didn't like the Bane is Talias pet part though......
My fave character got killed off by a skinny b!tch wearing spandex 7/10
That clown guy is funny and has memorable one liners 8.7/10
I'm honestly not sure why people keep referring to Bane as Talia's pet,she valued him like a sibling/older brother.Granted his death was crap which people may say was a consequence of the Talia reveal.Suicide would have been better.
I thought it was great, overall, definitely worth seeing, though it did have some issues. Some of these issues are minor, a few are the sorts of things that prevent a really, really good movie from being GREAT or EPIC. It might even be great, but it still had enough issues to hold it back from achieving everything it could've. There's a list of all the issues I noticed, no matter how big or small.
1. Catwoman was never called Catwoman. Blah. Her character was a bit nonchalant.
2. Bane. How is he so inhumanly strong and durable, to be able to punch through (presumably marble or cement) pillars? Just what is that gas mask feeding him? They could've had an entire sub-plot off of that. They could've even made 2 movies for just Bane's overtake of Gotham. He's that big of a character that they should've made one movie being about his takeover, one about his downfall, and have all sorts of awesomeness and info in the movies like Batman Begins did for how Batman got equipped and did things.
3. Bane's death. What. The. Heck. At first I didn't realize he was even dead. Then I just forgot and was like "oh crap, the bomb." But when I look back, I realize, that is so cheesy for such an awesome villain.
4. Batman magically healed a broken back and crushed/dislocated vertebrae just by being punched back in place, staying still, and then exercising like a mother? That seems highly suspicious.
5. Looking back, I don't understand why Lucious Fox wasn't hung along with the others that were living in the tower. I think I may have missed something there.
6. Talia was such a bit-part. She was there, actually there as Talia, for like 10 minutes, and did almost nothing before she died. All she did was make the bomb thing more dramatic. Sure, she set the stage for the end of the movie; the bomb going off and Bruce supposedly being dead, but she could've had more screentime. It was quality in many ways, that she had, but in others, not so much, and she didn't have quantity either.
7. Bruce in the cafe that Alfred mentioned. Was that actually him? Who was he with, sitting across from him? Do we even know?
8. John Blake is Robin? Come on. You could've incorporated Tim Drake and made him like canon Tim, and you wouldn't have had to call him Robin, until maybe the end or something. John Blake was an awesome character, but it was a bit too much of a venture from the comics that the movies are based off of.
9. I didn't have a big issue with how Bruce and Alfred parted ways, but some people did. I think they could've had a little more foreshadowing that they were separating their ways, before doing it.
So, I'd recommend people see the movie, it's really great. It's not as great as it could've been, but it's still definitely a fun time, and a bit interesting and intriguing as well. I also appreciated that Bruce used a memory stick for once, the tech in the movies always seems advanced, but not akin to our tech. That simple device brought me back to saying "Oh, yup, they have modern tech like ours, just embellished", instead of "They have different, advanced tech, not really akin to ours". A little thing that made a big difference in my opinion. It was like an anchor back to our world.
I thought Dark Knight Rises was good but still the worst in the trilogy. I did not like how they introduced Bane. It seemed to much like the Dark Knight where you don't see the villain yet they keep referring to them and then you find out that one of the people in the scene is the villain. That reminded me of when they introduced the Joker during the Bank Robbery in the first scene of the Dark Knight. I still enjoyed the movie but I thought it was the worst of the three.
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