Why do people think MoS Superman was so fast?

Yeah thank you, I really wasn't trying to criticize the movie. I really did enjoy it, I was just asking a question in this post.

If character can move at some speed under his own powers, then he can react and fight at these speeds as well. Period.

@bflynn316: Just wanna say, I wasn't singling you out, I was speaking on the topic as a whole, no problems with your thread ^.^

Thank you, and I agree with your statement for the record!

This comes to mind, but there are many more instances showing his reaction time being close to bullet time.

@bflynn316 said:

@tensor said:

@bflynn316Ironman reaction Speed post them I would like to see this great feat you are talking about.

This comes to mind, but there are many more instances showing his reaction time being close to bullet time.

Do you even understand what you see here? There is a difference in avoiding a bullet in a close distance and half a mile away. There was an episode on muthbusters, what you see on the gif... people can replicate - regular people. It took a bullet 0,3-0,4 second to reach him? you can't react to that? People have reaction time 0.2 sec or lower. Why you normally cant avoid a bullet? It is too close and not visible, tank is far enough for you to react > 0.2 sec and the bullet / gunfire is visible. If you can see it, and it reaches you withing your reaction time range, you can avoid it, it is that simple. Would i do it? No because if i miss or do it too late I die, but it is possible... If the tank was a bit closer, it would not be possible.

reaction close to bullet time

Typical here, there is no such thing as bullet time... It all depends how far away the gun is! Tanks was far away, it took bullet 0.3 sec to reach IM, human has reaction time of 0.2 on average - nothing above human reaction time lvl here.

Why do people seperate travel speed and reaction time anyways?

They're directly related. You can't travel at high speeds without the reaction time needed to change direction and know where you're going.

Except you can in comics. Surfer travels millions of times FTL. Do you have any idea what that means? He could cover the whole Earth's surface many times in 1 second. Yet Thanos, with ZERO speed feats, tags him all the time. We are talking orders of magnitudes in difference between travel and combat speed in that instance.

Clearly there is a disparity here. This is FAR from the only example I could post for you.

Sorry, completely, totally disagree.

@avatar_of_green: That's an arbitrary standard that still makes no sense.

The real reason people can tag characters like Surfer is because it would be boring if he sidestepped everyone below him. It's common sense that a character needs reaction time in accordance with their travel speed, or at least close to it.

@avatar_of_green: Oh, and by the way, how do you know Thanos isn't amping himself up to FTL to tag Surfer?

THANK! YOU!!

I've been saying this for the last 5 years!

@petey_is_spidey@toratorn@slayz if a character can move at some speed under his own powers, then he can react and fight at these speeds as well. Period.

THANK! YOU!!

I've been saying this for the last 5 years!

I just proved that this is not true, unequivocally, with post 59. Cognitive dissonance is hard, but you'll get there dude.

That is far from the only time Thanos has done that to Surfer. He wasnt amped, or maybe he was in every instance ever?

superman isn't all that

just wait till BvS and watch Bruce pull a fast one on Clake

:P

I feel bulletproof characters being hit by bullets shouldn't count against their reflexes from a feats standpoint. The characters weren't trying and failing to dodge bullets, they merely didn't bother trying to avoid them because they knew the bullets weren't a threat.

If I were in a combat situation and people were throwing bits of paper at me I'd be getting tagged a lot too, even if I was fast enough to dodge them. There are other things that deserve my attention.

that is true

@avatar_of_green: and you don't think that the fact that Thanos wrecked Surfer makes him FTL in reactions as well, huh? That's consistent with Thanos beating up heralds and even tangling with Skyfathers. Also, while travel speed should always convert to reaction speed, it may not work vice a verca.

@petey_is_spidey: good to know there are people who think so. It would be much more easier if there were more dudes to agree with that

@toratorn: You don't think I can post scans of Thanos getting owned by Gamora, for instance?

There are plenty of instances of Thanos fighting regular people. FTL combat is impossible for Gamora, Drax, Black Bolt, Namor, etc., and those people have all fought Thanos. If you think those guys are anywhere near FTL then we are done here. If Thanos fights at FTL, Black Bolt's soundwaves should be moving so slow Thanos could dance around them.

Light is millions of times faster than sound. If your opponent is only 2x faster than you then they have a near insurmountable advantage... much less being millions of times faster than you. Thanos clearly isn't at that level of speed.

It doesnt make sense, I agree, but we can prove travel speed is different from combat speed pretty easily here. And combat speed is different from travel speed in the other way too. For instance, Spider-Man has insane combat speed but that doesn't mean he runs around at supersonic speeds.

This is like saying that the Flash usually phases through objects that are thrown at him because he can't dodge them. No it's because he doesn't want to waste his time in dodging the object.

@botanix said:

@bflynn316 said:

@tensor said:

@bflynn316Ironman reaction Speed post them I would like to see this great feat you are talking about.

This comes to mind, but there are many more instances showing his reaction time being close to bullet time.

Do you even understand what you see here? There is a difference in avoiding a bullet in a close distance and half a mile away. There was an episode on muthbusters, what you see on the gif... people can replicate - regular people. It took a bullet 0,3-0,4 second to reach him? you can't react to that? People have reaction time 0.2 sec or lower. Why you normally cant avoid a bullet? It is too close and not visible, tank is far enough for you to react > 0.2 sec and the bullet / gunfire is visible. If you can see it, and it reaches you withing your reaction time range, you can avoid it, it is that simple. Would i do it? No because if i miss or do it too late I die, but it is possible... If the tank was a bit closer, it would not be possible.

reaction close to bullet time

Typical here, there is no such thing as bullet time... It all depends how far away the gun is! Tanks was far away, it took bullet 0.3 sec to reach IM, human has reaction time of 0.2 on average - nothing above human reaction time lvl here.

Ok that's a fair point, I didn't know all that information. No need to be so aggressive dude, nobody punched your grandma here.

@bflynn316: No need to be so aggressive dude, nobody punched your grandma here.

My bad, sorry :)

It's all good

Because he is, he is WAY more faster than any slow ass MCU hero.

He mastered superspeed in BvS, Clark has Faora-like speed now

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Haters go Hate!!

@bflynn316: because he was. That's why he didn't fight like a human being or enhanced supersoldier. He fought like sound speed ain't no thang but a chicken wang. Shockwaves coming from connected hits, him moving around a similar speed to faora in combat who may not have been light speed. Is still a lot faster than people are giving her credit for.

I'm not implying you are but don't try to discredit supes speed, it was there, just not as much as his comic self

@redatom1234: No, of course I'm not discrediting his speed, I know he was very fast. I'm just asking how fast his reaction time was, because I don't think I have a great handle on that.

@bflynn316: oh, sorry my bad, didn't mean to go all aggro on you. I'm not exactly the right person to ask about his speed cause there's other guys who care about calculating that stuff but I do know that him and his hits(occasionally) were moving around Mach 1 least hence the shockwaves.

From Batman v Superman : Crossfire.

http://i.imgur.com/NNGE6m5.jpg

That's not from Crossfire, It's from the guide flipbook.

@black_arrow: same difference. It's canon, that's all that matters. MoS is faster than your average bullet timer.

I don't know about his reaction/strike speed (which seemed super sonic to me), but dude flew from one side of the earth to the other in a minute or two

@k_brimstone: the link I posted said his reaction speed is just as fast as his flight speed. Otherwise he'd crash into shit all the time.

@thepreface:

That makes perfect sense to me

Someone upload gifs from the new BvS trailer on particular the one where he catches whatever batman shoots at him and the other when he flies into the burning area

@bflynn316:

he was fast. per the special effect lead director he can punch faster than the speed of sound. also per the official canon bvs guide book states he lightening reflexes

blitzes a heavily armored batman through a building in a second

reacts and counters batman flying kick

ddoges thousands f dragonfly bullets until he was tagged by one.

mos easily reacts and catches a grenade launched from batman gun

I think its a bit late for that now.

@tonymartial: Meh. Better late then never. On the plus side can't call it a spoiler either since it's "late".

That's not MoS Supes.

@itachus17: Same universe. Different movie but still, my bad. Saw people use batman v superman images so I thought it was ok.

- Very casual supersonic combat/movement/reaction speed

- Flew from one side of the earth to the other in minutes

- Blitzed beings with superspeed

- Could fly around and manoeuvre around skyscrapers in Metropolis at mach speeds

- Could instantly reach hypersonic speeds

He's ridiculously fast