Why do people think MoS Superman was so fast?

My question is more about reaction speed than travel speed. I know he can fly really fast, but I was watching the movie and I couldn't find a single time he showed reaction speed that even put him on MCU Iron Man's level. Am I missing something?

Please tag me in your responses, cuz I'd like to know the answer.

@bflynn316: He fought Faora, who displayed blitzes faster than most Marvel characters.

Maybe you should have paid attention.

@slayz: Well...

• That's ABC logic
• She blitzes fast, but there's no evidence to show that it's even close to bullet speed
• She seemed a lot faster than him in terms of reaction speed, and even she wasn't a bullet timer

Maybe it's you who should have paid attention buddy.

Also, I wanna be very clear: I know he can blitz fast. I get that he has very fast travel speed. But that doesn't equal reaction time.

@bflynn316: ABC Logic isn't always a fallacy.

Clark was reacting to Faora, who blitzed people multiple times faster than eyes could follow.

@slayz: when did Clark once react to her? He just tanked her blows then hit her back after she blitzed him every time

And she absolutely punked him for the first section of the fight, up until he started bull rushing, which if you paid attention would know is not the same thing as combat speed.

@buildhare: It feels good to be in agreement with you for once haha

We've only disagreed like twice, there is still hope.

I'd say it comes down to three things.

1. Faora. Clark hit her and she's fast so he must be fast too.

2. Flight. Clark flies fast and some viewers do not make a distinction in travel speed vs reflexes etc.

3. Expectation. Superman is fast in comics so obviously he must be fast in other mediums.

He tags Faora who flash-step one shots 15 Spec-Ops Airmen in 3 seconds. That's good enough for me.

@buildhare: Yeah she did, until Clark picked up his speed.

Because Superman bullrushed Faora that one time, people automatically transfer her speed feats to him which is nonsensical.

@m_man: Considering she's been on Earth for less than 24 hours and he's been on Earth for 33 years, yeah it makes sense.

Considering he's never moved that fast in combat like Faora, no it doesn't.

Dare you to show me him display that level of combat or reaction speed. I'd love to see it.

Actually this covers it better.

@m_man: moving the goal posts. The argument isn't whether he's faster than Faora, who is extremely fast, it's whether or not Supes is fast.

Since Foara is that fast after about a day of exposure to yellow solar radiation and Supes has been exposed to it his whole life, and they have the same power set, it's a pretty safe extrapolation that if Supes pushes himself he can move at those speeds.

Based one what? o.O

The argument isn't whether he's faster than Faora

I never said he was or that anyone claimed that.

it's whether or not Supes is fast.

Then show me some fast combat speed that puts him on par with her. I asked you the first time.

Since Foara is that fast after about a day of exposure to yellow solar radiation and Supes has been exposed to it his whole life, and they have the same power set, it's a pretty safe extrapolation that if Supes pushes himself he can move at those speeds.

Unless he's actually moved that fast in combat, which he never has once, it's not a safe assumption at all. Just because they're all Kryptonains doesn't mean they all share feats.

• He fought Faora, who blitz like ten people in 5 seconds, easily.
• He flew from Earth to our outer most part of the atmosphere in a matter of seconds.
• He was easily flying faster than speed of sound, as displayed by the MULTIPLE sonic booms each time he flew.

I have a question, and this is in general. Why the hell do people care about feats so much?? Who cares if Superman is a bullet timer or not?? Can't we just enjoy the movie?? People take battle forum feats and turn them into cinematic criticisms.

When he fought against the world engines defense mechanism (the tentacles). He showed great reaction speeds. And his maneoverabilty while flying was ridiculous.

I'm afraid this is what CV has dissolved into. users can deny all they want but they cherish feats more than story

sometimes it's just better for Character X who can destroy the world to actually destroy the world than have something else suggest he could without him actually doing it............smh

clark's battle with zod was fast enough to create sonic booms with their hits

@bflynn316:

This is good enough for me, the only thing this boils down to now is how inconsistent it is displayed....but come on, this is comics we are talking about, there are inconsistencies everywhere.

As soon as someone who has directly worked on it tells you how something is, you can argue all you want, you can say it sucked, how it wasn't shown all that well, how poorly it was executed....at the end of the day if they say he has a certain speed it does i guess otherwise it just turns in to everyone saying "I don't like that answer, so I am going to change it and pass that off as fact" Which is what people also do all the time.

Or maybe it's said because that's what the special effects team tried to do when they did the shockwaves and the motion blur (to represent that they were breaking the speed of sound with their punches).

http://www.awn.com/vfxworld/making-superman-fly-again-man-steel

Because they're too slow

He makes fast people look not fast.

YES!

The speed feats shown by Clark in the Man of Steel movie showed that he is still faster than 616 Comics version of Thor.

lol

Also, this.

Can we not bring that "Thor is really slllllooooooowwww" topic up?

I promise that wasn't the point of my post, I just wanted to see where he fell in the speed category. I actually loved MoS.

Yeah I honestly hate this. Like how people bash on the Daredevil show beacuse they think he's "weak".

We have a winner.

• ABC logic
• Travel Speed = Combat Speed
• Fan Bias.

Yup. Even then, the blitzes are slow enough that we as a adiance can see them in real time.

These Jedi are as fast as Faora lol.

Nah. If they wanted to show of Super speed they can do what Matrix and X-Men did.

Look at that, clear super speed from Audience point of view.

Well, clearly he can't react at super-speed. Being shot multiple times, blitzed by subsonic characters, etc., He has incredible senses, but his body just doesn't move that fast IMO. He generates force through sheer power rather than speed.

As for Faora, even in the scene where she blitzes the soldiers are able to react and keep pelting her with bullets. She is not moving faster than their bullets, or their senses, meaning a regular human with super strength should be able to keep up. These guys are barely faster than MCU Cap, IMO, unless you're talking about travel speed.

Dodging the tentacles is cool, but very inconsistent compared to the rest of his showings. I dunked in basketball once, doesn't mean I can do it again even if I try 1000 times, lol.

They evindently failed to potray the super speed. Zack said in many interviews that he didn't want to use the slow motion to show Superman's speed, yet he wanted the fight be clear enough so that the viewers could see what's going on. An the guy who said that in the interview is the guy in charge of the special effects so I think he knows what he was going for. This is similar to using an author statement to clarify a comic book scan, only in this case it's used to clarify what's on screen.

@bflynn316Ironman reaction Speed post them I would like to see this great feat you are talking about.

Because hes Superman

@black_arrow: Thats the issue though. Your statement means little when the speed is unspecified, which then falls to the debater to argue the feat. By feats, the speed is not that fast.

Well the guy on the interview (VFX supervisor) specified the speed: "In addition to superhero speed they would throw punches that would minimally break the sound barrier so there would be shock waves. At the same time, they didn't want to lose the force of the punches completely in motion blur (except as a gag with Zod's partner, Faora). They added effects to it by putting mock cones on the forearms, shockwave effects when they hit blows as visual cues."

I don't think they failed. I understood as I was watching the movie superman was throwing punches faster than sound. We also saw him dodge a bullet after it was fired (albeit he also got shot at another point). He obviously isn't as fast as his comic counter part but in comparison to other super heroes he's pretty fast. Spider-man and quick silver are probably the only super hero movie character that I can think of that are faster than Clark.

Was kind of hoping for a real speed feat from this movie

I was just saying because it seems that many people don't see what they tried to potray on the film. I also understood like you did and I was surprised when I found many people that didn't get it that way.

Yeah he has some really good speed feats in comparasion to the other movie characters.

this.... even though I don't think the op was trying to criticize the movie, some people actually accuse a movie of being a failure when the movie character is not shown as powerful as the battle forum counterpart

@sirfizzwhizz: "Not that fast"?

In what context? Those feats are faster than 99% of CBM characters in fights.

You know what's funny, Sir FW? I didn't even think to translate my descriptions into those terms. I must say they are apt in hindsight.

Concerning that last one, I feel @the_stegman is often correct. Many "fans" often grade a movie based on the high end feats they can bring to the forums rather then the entertainment value, and if those fans are predisposed to liking a character who lacks certain advantages, they'll bend facts as much as they can to feed that fan bias.

People don't want shock waves, motion blurs, or quick moving objects. They don't want to use their common sense to predict how fast something is moving. Instead, they want to be told be a narrator how fast something is moving, like a child.

Clark got tagged by a bullet.

Smh...