Why did they choose Scott Lang over Hank Pym for the film?

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#1  Edited By MakkyD

Just curious since Pym is more well-known and associated with Antman and in my opinion, a more complex character with more history to use. The several comments in the Ant-Man excitement thread about preferring Hank Pym made me wonder.

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The want the movie to flop

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Why don't you ask Wasp?

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Because they are cowards

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#7  Edited By MakkyD

@i_am_lightning said:

Why don't you ask Wasp?

Yeah, aging Pym means the current status of the Wasp is now messed up.

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Damn, I forgot this movie was coming out again. I thought we were done with CBM's until F4 lol

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@maccyd: But 95% of the movie populace doesn't care.

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#10  Edited By MakkyD

@spidey_jackson said:

@maccyd: But 95% of the movie populace doesn't care.

Beata

95% of the movie populace doesn't know who Captain Marvel or Black Panther are either, so what's your point?

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They probably wanted to focus on Lang's family. Idk

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@maccyd: Exactly.

So why would it matter who the person in the costume is?

To them, it doesn't.

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@spidey_jackson: So why doesn't Marvel just keep making Iron Man and Captain America films then, still the general audience doesn't care?

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@maccyd: What does that have to do with anything?

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Too be honest, around 90% watching the film will have no clue on what and Who Ant-Man is...

It doesn't matter why they chose it...

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Because Paul Rudd refuses to play characters named Hank. It's in his contract.

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Scott probably fits more into the universe they were trying to build and the stories they want to tell.

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#19  Edited By Spambot

I think its because they didn't want Pym intruding on Tony Stark and Bruce Banner's territory as the resident genius' in the Avengers in case Ant man joins the team in the future. Paul Rudd being more of a comic relief as opposed to a serious genius which makes sense if they want him to become an Avenger.

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Either it's because Pym would be smacking all the female characters or they just didn't want too many of the superduper science geniuses in the MCU.

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@maccyd: What does that have to do with anything?

Beata

You can apply the "general audience doesn't care so why don't they" rule to pretty much anything tbh.

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@spambot said:

I think its because they didn't want Pym intruding on Tony Stark and Bruce Banner's territory as the resident genius' in the Avengers in case Ant man joins the team in the future. Paul Rudd being more of a comic relief as opposed to a serious genius which makes sense if they want him to become an Avenger.

In the comics, Pym tends to use comic relief more than Lang ironically enough.

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For no reason is the true answer

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Because Marvel doesn't want a wife-beater to be the main character in their movie. I genuinely think that is the reason.

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@rdclip said:

Because Marvel doesn't want a wife-beater to be the main character in their movie. I genuinely think that is the reason.

He isn't a wife-beater, that was a mistake by the artist.

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Cause they have enough smart guys, they wanted an average dude with a family, more relatable.

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Cause they have enough smart guys, they wanted an average dude with a family, more relatable.

Suppose, they couldn't have someone smarter than Stark on the team, although the topic of mental health would have been an interesting and relatable topic.

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@maccyd: If he`s not a wife-beater why did Marvel make him crazy for wife-beating in the Ultimate universe

Marvel is pretty squeemish when it comes to doing anything even mildly offensive in their movies, so they went with a character with a much cleaner history.

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@rdclip said:

@maccyd: If he`s not a wife-beater why did Marvel make him crazy for wife-beating in the Ultimate universe

Marvel is pretty squeemish when it comes to doing anything even mildly offensive in their movies, so they went with a character with a much cleaner history.

That's the Ultimate universe, Hulk is a cannibal and Captain America is a bigot in that universe.

They would have ignored that part of history, the same as Iron man's alcoholism and depression.

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@maccyd: Ultimate universe used the basics of the characters and amped them up. If Hank didn`t have history of domestic abuse, then it wouldn`t be a thing in Ultimates.

Even if they didn`t have Hank hitting his wife in the movie, people could very easily find his comic history with a simple google search. Marvel would probably rather not deal with any type of backlash people would have with a main character associated with domestic abuse. Even if it was exaggerated, clickbait articles would pop up all over the place like `Marvel makes movies about Wife-Beating superhero`.

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@maccyd: @midnightdragon18: It doesn't make a difference who the Antman is.

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Yes it does. Pym was a genius, whose mind rivals that of Stark and Banner. I'd pay top dollar to see Hank Pym on screen working on his antman costume and discovering Pym particles.

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#34  Edited By MakkyD

@rdclip: Pym's wife beating status is mainly known due to the Ultimate universe in the first place. 616, he only hit her accidentally once and that was due to an artist's mistake.

Almost every superhero over a certain age has a shady past that has potential for clickbait articles. Reed Richard was more abusive and sexist towards his wife than Hank ever was and threatened to kill his own child, yet he's headlining yet another film.

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Because most people watching don't care, and those that do care are talking about it.

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@rdclip: He hit Janet during a mental breakdown. And by the way the art made it seem, it was an accident because she was so close behind him. And he immediately was regretful when he saw what happened.

That's barely beating her.

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Why does it matter? Both characters suck.

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I think the reason they went with Lang as the main hero is because the surprise villain is Pym. That would be wrong on so many levels, but signs suggest that.

I don't think the domestic abuse issue is really an issue. Marvel would just ignore it as it has Iron-Man's alcoholism or Hawkeye taking the side of his wife's rapist.

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#39  Edited By 14NC3

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I read on IMDB that it was because they thought Hank Pym's story was too dark for a Marvel movie what with the multiple personalities and the wife beating stuff. They thought that Scott Lang's story was compelling enough and more fitting what with the 'thief who steals for his daughter' aspect.

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@maccyd: only during the period where Cassie was dead. Historically Scott is the jokes tier.

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They probably wanted the main protagonist to be more relatable to the general audience.

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Because Scott didn't beat his wife.

Besides, Scott's backstory (being a dad and an ex-criminal) makes him somewhat unique. They haven't used those dynamics with their other superheroes.

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@spambot said:

I think its because they didn't want Pym intruding on Tony Stark and Bruce Banner's territory as the resident genius' in the Avengers in case Ant man joins the team in the future. Paul Rudd being more of a comic relief as opposed to a serious genius which makes sense if they want him to become an Avenger.

This seems the most likely explanation to me.

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From what I've seen of the trailers, the first thing Pym has Lang do is use his skills as a thief to recover the Ant Man technology from someone. I'm guessing it's a situation where a former retired hero passes his equipment on to a younger protege

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Because most people watching don't care, and those that do care are talking about it.

Still, where did the idea come from, it's akin to Warner Bros saying "you know what, for our first WW film, let's use Donna Troy instead".

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It's like a passing of Excalibur, except there is no generation before.

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