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#1 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

Serious and self-explanatory question.

#2 Posted by Hunter114 (829 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say Thor... but it's more of an informed opinion or an educated guess than an actual conclusion or an argument.

#3 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4527 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor!

#4 Posted by Delphic (1469 posts) - - Show Bio

Though I like any character possessing the Power of Shazam, in terms of raw power Thor wins this one by a long shot.

#5 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

depends on the era

#6 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say definitely opinions so far and not hypotheses....Because of fluctuating power levels dependant on writing it is hard to pin down...but my first instinct is Black Adam. Possibly because DC has a reputation of being more grandiose in the expression of power in their characters.....example: Superman, Wonder Woman..Black Adam.....all known for being able to effect hundreds and thousands of tons..in some cases millions of tons of weight...Where as generally speaking, more often than not Thor has done great feats of strength, possibbly comparable to the aforementioned DC characters, but usually he is gauged as meeting to exceeding hundreds of tons.....so hundreds of thousands, vs hundreds....but thats only one, of the numerous arguments to be made.

#7 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hunter114: @Sling Shot: @joshmightbe: @Delphic:

Classic and Modern Thor are the same. So, Thor or pre 52 Black Adam, who is OVERALL more powerful?(more versatile powers, more feats,etc.)

m99

#8 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

Versatile= Thor

More Powerful= Black Adam

#9 Posted by HolySerpent (12518 posts) - - Show Bio

Adam

#10 Posted by Delphic (1469 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@Hunter114: @Sling Shot: @joshmightbe: @Delphic:

Classic and Modern Thor are the same. So, Thor or pre 52 Black Adam, who is OVERALL more powerful?(more versatile powers, more feats,etc.)

m99

You know this seems like something I would think should be on the Battles board, but anyway.

In terms of raw Strength and Magical ability Thor wins on that front. Sure Thor borrows most of his strength and power from Mjonlir, but the scale at which he can unleash that power in incredible. Black Adam's power is borrowed from Egyptian Gods, and his so called magical abilities consist of the transformation lightning bolt, while Thor is pretty much the God of Thunder and using lightning itself as his weapon. Maybe, and I use that term lightly, Black Adam might have Thor outmatched in terms of speed and flight. Black Adam can travel up to speeds that rival Superman, while Thor can fly at speeds of light, but needs Mjonlir to do so. The fact that Black Adam does not need an instrument to fly helps him in that category.

Now if I would pit the two against one another with both of their powers at peak, Thor would undoubtedly win.

#11 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Delphic: Actually Thor doesn't get any power from the Hammer it just channels his natural abilities, his powers haven't been dependent on the hammer in decades and when they were that was just a part of Odin's attempt to humble him. When others use his hammer they are technically borrowing his power

#12 Posted by Delphic (1469 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@Delphic: Actually Thor doesn't get any power from the Hammer it just channels his natural abilities, his powers haven't been dependent on the hammer in decades and when they were that was just a part of Odin's attempt to humble him. When others use his hammer they are technically borrowing his power

If that's the case then then his character page needs to be updated.

I know that Thor is powerful on his own without the Hammer, but he does need the hammer for somethings right? Without it he's not able to channel lightning or fly at high speeds right?

#13 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Delphic: He has potential to be able to channel lightening with out it but he has far more control with the hammer, also the hammer does give him the ability to fly. Basically he needs the hammer because he hasn't reached his full potential.

#14 Posted by Delphic (1469 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@Delphic: He has potential to be able to channel lightening with out it but he has far more control with the hammer, also the hammer does give him the ability to fly. Basically he needs the hammer because he hasn't reached his full potential.

In a sense then the hammer would be somewhat of a handicap, due to the fact that Mjonlir -- a completely seperate object from Thor himself -- is what helps him amplify his own abilities. This is where I think Black Adam out preforms Thor, because Black Adam does not need a separate object to amplify his strength. I suppose you could argue that the amulet and the transformation phrase could in as sense be compared to Mjonlir, but should Black Adam already be in his transformed state then he does not possess that handicap. The thing about Mjonlir though is that it's pretty darn hard to keep it away from Thor.

Like I've said earlier though I still believe in terms of straight up power Thor does win, but if it was a brawl I could see Adam being a tough opponent, just not a victor.

#15 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is more powerful, but Black Adam is probably more powerful in a fight. If Thor let out all he had in a fight, then it would be over in seconds, but he doesn't.

Black Adam, however, almost always gives everything he's got in a fight, and I think that makes him more of a threat.

#16 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Delphic: Basically Thor's hammer is a crutch (Which may be why Odin put it in the form of a walking stick when Thor was turned into Donald Blake)

#17 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@Delphic: He has potential to be able to channel lightening with out it but he has far more control with the hammer, also the hammer does give him the ability to fly. Basically he needs the hammer because he hasn't reached his full potential.

The hammer is basically a crutch. Thor was demonstrated to be at his peak potential as Rune King Thor, needing Mjolnir no more.

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#18 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget said:

@joshmightbe said:

@Delphic: He has potential to be able to channel lightening with out it but he has far more control with the hammer, also the hammer does give him the ability to fly. Basically he needs the hammer because he hasn't reached his full potential.

The hammer is basically a crutch. Thor was demonstrated to be at his peak potential as Rune King Thor, needing Mjolnir no more.

Knowing that Odin can simply take away Thor's hammer at anytime he wants to makes it a huge crutch.

#19 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

SHAZAM!!!!

ahaahha reminds me of the DCUO trailer. That's awesome. I think versatility from Thor makes him slightly more powerful, but not exactly in physical terms. It depends on what you're questioning....

Anyway, SHAAAAAZAAAAAAM!! I had to do it again, I dont even like BA that much but that's just awesome

#20 Posted by TheHeat (451 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor!

#21 Posted by MrMiracle77 (1659 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Adam, but Thor has a trump card.  He can redirect, or possibly reproduce, the lightning that grants Black Adam his powers.  That turns BA back into a very vulnerable Teth Adam.

#22 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

Versatile= Thor

More Powerful= Black Adam

Explain this.

m99

#23 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (14594 posts) - - Show Bio

Alfred is stronger than those two (no sarcasm)

#24 Edited by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@Delphic: @Jorgevy: @Deranged Midget:

I'm not asking "Who's more powerful, Thor without his hammer or Black Adam?" That's a one-sided question?

I'm asking in what I'm about to list, how is it(I want to hear an argument for both sides) that EITHER is more powerful than the other?(and please define "powerful"):

The Mighty Thor #5

Odin, the Skyfather of Asgard, said to the Earth Goddess Jord, also known as Gaea the Earthmother of Midgard, "I seek an heir whose powers surpass Asgard." Biologically half-Asgardian, half-Elder God, Thor possesses a number of superhuman attributes common among the Asgardian and other gods. However, some are considerably more developed than those of the vast majority of his race. The Mighty Thor, the Norse God of Thunder is the most powerful being on the planet and one of the most powerful beings in the universe. Besides being the strongest man in creation,and durable enough to withstand a blast from Celestials, Thor also has energy manipulation powers that are on par with the Silver Surfer, and magical abilities that have been shown, on occasion, to be as powerful as those of Dr. Strange himself. He is also armed with Mjolnir, the mystical warhammer that has been shown to be capable of opening passageways through space and time, blocking all sorts of energy blasts, and bending the elements to its master’s will. Thor has been shown to be able to swing Mjolnir at twice the speed of light (and this was never claimed to the fastest that Thor could swing it either). Thor is a Norse warrior god, trained and skilled in the arts of battle, and he’s been doing it for countless ages. While Thor has usually been shown to rely solely on his fighting ability, super strength, and well nigh invulnerability, he has so many other options available to him if a fight starts going badly. He has complete mastery over the weather, he can open chasms in the earth, he can even drain the soul out of his opponent’s body, or if worst comes to worst, use the dreaded Godblast, an attack that is so powerful that one time Mjolnir shatered from the amount of power Thor channeled. Thor has even broken through the armor of the Celestial Exitar in one blow; the force of it created a shock wave which rocked the planet Pangoria to its foundations, and was about to destroy it entirely if Thor hadn't acted. While on Earth, Thor greatly withholds his power unless fighting someone with similar strength and durability.

*Superhuman Strength: Thor is physically the strongest of the Norse gods and one of the most powerful beings in the Universe. His feats include easily lifting a million tons, crumbling uru into dust with his bare hands, shattering the force field of the Silver Surfer with a single strike, knocking out Namor while in the rain, bringing the Juggernaut to his knees with two blows,stalemating Hercules in a arm wrestling match, stalemating Savage Hulk's strength for an entire hour(even though Hulk was getting stronger and stronger and still unable to overpower Thor) defeating the Gladiator in 60 seconds with nothing but his fists, lifting the Midgard Serpent, who was so large it could coil itself around Earth several times over and crush it in within its grip, striking Beta Ray Bill with such force he ended up shattering the planet he was fighting on, and overpowering cosmic entities when pressed in battle and physically destroying stars and planets with only his fists. Thor is also capable of entering into a state of Berserker Rage known as Warrior's Madness, which will temporarily increase his strength tenfold but will only do so in desperate situations because it threatens his sanity.rarily increase his strength and stamina tenfold but will only do so in desperate situations because it threatens his sanity.

Despite the fact that he always restrains and holds back his vast strength against mortals, he has been capable of stalemating an enraged Hulk in strength (depsite the fact that the Hulk was constantly increasing in strength every moment) for hours without tiring at all and while restraining himself as always, and knocking out the Hulk, How much strength Thor truly holds back against mortals is made clear, as he was capable of knocking out Namor with a single blow (despite Namor being fully hydrated and it was raining), easily defeating Bi-Beast (whose strength is said to equal the Hulk's), easily overpower the Red Hulk (who killed the Abomination, overpowered the Hulk, punched and injuring Uatu, killed the Grandmaster, and was able to absorb the Power Cosmic), nearly rendering the Juggernaut uncouncious in under a minute after negating his mystical defenses, and defeated both the Thing and an enraged Hulk at once in unarmed combat using only his vast physical strength.

Superhuman Stamina: Thor's advanced musculature is considerably more efficient than that of a human and most other Asgardians. His muscles produce no fatigue toxins during physical activity compared to those of humans and most other members of his race. His virtually inexhaustible stamina enables him to hold his breath for an undefined period of time and exert himself at peak capacity for months without tiring at all. Using the Belt of Strength also doubles his stamina. While in the Warrior's Madness, Thor's stamina also increases tenfold.

Superhuman Senses: Thor's superhuman sense's allow him to effortlessly see objects as far out as the edge of the Solar System, , allow him to track objects traveling faster than light, and hears cries from the otherside of the planet.

Super Breath: Thor can use his breath to create hurricane level winds.

Superhumanly Dense Tissue: Thor's skin, muscle, and bone tissues have several times the density of the same tissue in the body of a human being, contributing to his superhuman weight. He is invulnerable to powerful energy blasts, weighted impacts, falls from great heights, explosions and various other opposing forces.

Self Sustenance: He is capable of surviving in the vacuum of space unaided and does not need air, food, water, or sleep.

Godlike Invulnerability: Being a god whose heritage is half-Asgardian & half-Elder God affords Thor absolute invulnerability and immunity to such human ailments as diseases, toxins, poisons, corrosives, fire, electrocution, asphyxiation, lead, and radiation poisoning. Thor can drink mead all day long and not get drunk. He has withstood direct blows from beings with vast superhuman strength such as the Hulk, Hercules, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Thanos, and the Red hulk. Thor can survive in the heart of the Sun with no discomfort, has flown through the heart of stars, and survived point blank energy explosions capable of destroying entire planets. He has survived a supernova blast of an exploding star unharmed, the gravity of a Neutron Star, and withstood the weight of a score of entire planets. Thor was able to survive direct multiple blasts from the Asgardian Detroyer (the weapon created by Odin and the gods from multiple pantheons to battle the Celestials). Thor also once took a glancing hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire planet, and soon after that explosion he fell from space (leaving a crater miles wide) to a planet called Pangoria. He has withstood a blast from Odin (who is far more powerful than Thor), attacks from Celestials, and even withstood attacks from the leader of the Celestials. Thor is extremely difficult to kill as his life force is considerably augmented by his godlike heritage, powers, Mjolnir, and the Odin Force - even if it is only relegated within Mjolnir as a smaller portion at the moment.

Superhuman Speed: Thor can move at extreme speeds. Thor can fly to the sun in a matter of minutes. Thor was even able to strike down a moving Quicksilver and has claimed to have fought foes faster than him. He can throw Mjolnir at the speed of light and also swing Mjolnir at TWICE the speed of light . It has been established that the speed of Thor’s hammer transcends both Time & Space. In addition, Thor can appear anywhere across the Universe or other dimensions in just seconds . Thor could visually detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happened when Thor was the target of artillery fire and when he saw the speedy Hermes). Hela once stated that Thor is as fast as the lightning he commands. Thor can twirl his cape so fast that he creates a tornado.

Regenerative Healing Factor: Despite his astounding resistance to injury, it is possible to injure Thor. In the rare instances that he is injured, his body is capable of repairing damaged tissue with much greater speed and efficiency than the body of a human being and almost all other Asgardians. He can regenerate missing limbs or organs, with the aid of magical forces such as Mjolnir or the Odin Force.

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Superhuman Longevity: Thor, like all other Asgardians, isn't immortal in the same sense of some other god pantheons. Thor ages at a pace far, far slower than a human being as he is countless eons old; mortals' life spans are comparable to nothing more than a blink of his immortal eyes. He has watched worlds die, and even witnessed Suns explode throughout his unimaginably long life meaning that he is at least billions of years old. The consumption of the Golden Apples of the goddess Iddun is essential to an Asgardian maintaining their physical vigor but this has not shown to apply to Thor. Thor is immune to the effects of all Earthly diseases and infections.

Earth Control: After his resurrection, Thor has accepted his heritage as a child of the Elder Goddess Gaea and has gained the ability to control the Earth completely and has demonstrated this ability by being able to create continental-spanning chasms and earthquakes that are off the Richter Scale in the Earth itself. He can control landslides and avalanches.

  • Thorsleep: Like Odin before him, Thor was required at certain times to enter a period of rest called Thorsleep, during which he would replenish his energies and could not be disturbed.

After gaining the power of the Runes in combination with the Odin Force, Thor's powers reached even greater heights, and he reached the point of surpassing his father in power to an even greater extent. With gaining the power if the Runes he gained understanding and enlightenment. He became virtually omniscient as well as quasi-omnipotent, being able to see the past, present and future completely, being able to see past the veil of time itself, he could see the future of all things, of every man and beast, every leaf on every tree, he could see beyond quantum structure; beyond the cosmic architecture, into the nothingness itself and the end of all things.

Abilities

Indomitable Will: Thor has shown to have a powerful force of will, so much so that he has defied the will of his father Odin, who is his king and is bound to serve him, on several occassions if he feels the need to do so. He does not back down from any foe, does not give into a fight and is willing to lay down his own life in defense of others.

Great Knowledge of Magic: During Ragnarok, Thor acquired knowledge and use of the Runes which granted him a virtually infinite supply of mystical power and spells in addition to his other powers, considerably honing his long undeveloped vast magical potential.

Master Combatant: Thor is a superbly skilled warrior trained in the arts of war with over countless eons of combat experience. He is known to be very cunning and intuitive in battles and wars having stalemated Captain America in martial combat and defeat Grog the God Crusher, while powerless and mortal with only his melee skills. Thor is one of the most skilled fighters to ever walk the Earth. He is a master marksman, and is proficient in all areas of combat including hand-to-hand and is skilled in the use of all Ancient European weapons specializing in swordsmanship and hammer throwing. Thor's martial methods may have been influenced by the fighting arts of the Vikings, Celts, Saxons, and Germanic tribes of ancient Europe. Being a War God as well as a Thunder God allows Thor to learn and master nearly all martial arts of Midgard as well. This gives Thor a huge advantage in combat by tapping into a vast multi-cultural perspective of combat arts, skills, strategies and tactics. Thor is known to be very cunning and intuitive in battles and wars.

Master Tactician: For over thousands of years, he has lead Asgard into battle against overwhelming forces with great leadership and employing strategies and tactics from possibly every culture on Earth as well as all the Nine Worlds of Asgard, including forgotten ones.

Leadership: Thor serves as the as the first choice to defend Asgard from it's enemies. He has earned the trust of his fellow Asgardians to follow him into battle. When Odin died after his battle with Surtur, all of Asgard was behind the idea to follow Thor as the new King of Asgard.

High Influential Connections: During his life, Thor has served Asgard as it's Prince, Lord, and King and with these positions he has had access to the wealth of Asgard to pay an Oklahoma land owner for the land he put Asgard on, all the weapons and magical artifacts in Asgard and field command of Asgard's forces in Odin's stead. As a founding member of the Avengers, he has a good reputation among Earth's heroes who would answer his call if needed and he would answer there call in return. He also has good relations with gods from other pantheons, so much that he was chosen to lead the God Squad to fight the Skull Patheon.

Diplomatic Immunity: After Thor's rebirth he used Mjolnir to recreate Asgard on Earth in Oklahoma. At this time Iron Man was head of S.H.I.E.L.D. and confronted Thor about his bringing Asgard in U.S. territory. After Thor beat down Iron Man, Stark suggested that Asgard be treated as a foreign embassy and with it citizens full diplomatic privaleges, to which Thor agreed.

Skilled Medic: Possessing a gifted intellect, Thor also has extensive medical knowledge due to his years spent on Earth as successful physician and surgeon Doctor Donald Blake and the EMT Jake Olson.

Strength level

Class 100+ ; Thor possesses vast physical strength, to which the exact limit is unknown, but he is able to lift far in excess of 100 tons effortlessly. He has shown enough strength to move and lift objects that are as heavy as the Earth and shatter entire planets with his blows. Thor is physically one of the strongest beings to ever walk the Earth and one of the most physically powerful beings in the Universe.

Paraphernalia

Megingjord: a magical belt worn by the Thunder God that would double his natural strength and stamina.

The warhammer Mjolnir: Thor wields Mjolnir, a hammer forged from Uru metal, whose chief properties are durability, the ability to maintain enchantment, and absorb energies. Mjolnir resembles more of a short handle mallet than a traditional warhammer. Mjolnir itself is already extremely durable like the Earth metal Adamantium or the Olympian metal Adamantine, and combined with the various enchantments placed upon it by Odin, is for all intents and purposes, indestructible. It has survived heat as extreme as the heart of the Sun, blasts powerful enough to destroy planets, and it has contained energy sufficient enough to destroy an entire Galaxy.

When Loki attempted to use the Silver Surfer to defeat Thor, he tricked the Surfer into attacking Thor, Loki even augmented the Silver Surfer’s powers with his own, after which the Surfer said that he had never felt that powerful before. He also claimed that Thor’s hammer was far more powerful than his own Power Cosmic. To quote the Silver Surfer himself, “I have seen his mallet’s magic, it is truly mightier than my cosmic force!”

Thor often uses the hammer as a physical weapon, with almost nothing being capable of withstanding a hammer blow or throw. It has been described as impacting with sufficient force to "destroy mountains" and has proven capable of shattering the armor of a Celestial, with a rare exception being primary adamantium. Mjolnir also grants Thor countless mystical attributes and powers such as manipulation of the fundamental forces of the universe such as the electromagnetic spectrum, gravity, etc. A few other examples of the countless abilities Thor has shown with Mjolnir are:

  • Worthiness Enchantment: This enchantment surrounding Mjolnir prevents it from being wielded by anyone save those who have been found worthy. Thus far, this includes Thor, the Red Norvell, Beta Ray Bill, and Captain America. To anyone else, Mjolnir cannot be lifted from the ground nor wrested from Thor’s grip. Those who are deemed worthy are abled to wield Thor's powers. Captain America said "I've never wielded such limitless power before!" "It's almost intoxicating!" As the true master of Mjolnir, Thor can also will unto others the ability to wield the mystical hammer, bypassing the worthiness enchantment, and also empower them with his own godly abilities. As long as he is alive, no one but himself is able to wield the hammer.
  • Mystical Link: Mjolnir obeys Thor’s commands as though it were alive, and if Thor’s will is strong enough, the hammer can pass through nearly any barrier to reach him should he so chooses; Mjolnir will even carve its way through the very center of entire planets to get back to Thor. Mjolnir can also transform Thor into his civilian guises. When Thor is a civilian, the hammer most often becomes an old wooden cane. While employing a mortal guise, Thor would transform back into his mortal form if he was separated from Mjolnir for more than 60 seconds. The 60 second enchantment is no longer in effect.
  • Weather Control: Wielding Mjonir grants Thor the ability to control the base elements of a storm, i.e. rain, wind, thunder, lightning and more. He can create giant raging electrical storms complete with thunder, lightning, hurricane-force winds, tornadoes, blizzards, tidal waves, exploding volcanoes, earthquakes and torrential rains across entire planets at a moment's notice. He can also create any of these phenomena individually. Another aspect of this power allows him to stop any of these weather conditions instantly as well. Thor can create storms on a planetary wide scale or larger if needed, and is not limited to the normal limits of Mother Nature and can go beyond and defy what natural weather can do such as creating rain in space where there is no atmosphere. Thor's ability to control and create storms extends to any and all storms as he has been shown to control and create raging temporal storms in time, create Solar Flares, powerful stellar winds in space and so on.
  • Flight: Thor is capable of hurling Mjolnir with great force and, by holding onto the leather thong, is capable of flying through the air at tremendous speeds. While in an Earth-like atmosphere, Thor generally flies at roughly the Speed of Sound, roughly 770 miles per hour. Thor can fly so fast that he is invisible to the naked eye. He has been clocked flying at three times the speed of light, and is capable of achieving speeds far greater than that. He can use the winds to hover and has shown the ability to fly without the aid of Mjolnir.
  • Energy Projection: With Mjolnir, Thor can project powerful mystical blasts of energy. He can even channel energies for stronger energy attacks.
  • Barriers: With Mjolnir, Thor is capable of creating powerful barriers, force fields and vortexes that are impenetrable. Not even Earth's most advanced weapons could weaken Thor's barrier field that shieled the U.N. headquarters. Thor stated that he could have contained a cosmic flash attack from Stellaris, this blast was strong enough to destroy the planet Earth. These vortexes and barriers are so immensely durable that Thor was able to completely contain the explosion generated by a life bomb, which is so powerful it would have completely destroyed a fifth of the Marvel Universe, without the vortex even faltering, meaning that Thor literally contained a blast that is capable of annihilating millions upon millions of Galaxies.
  • Energy Sensing: Mjolnir can detect practically all types of energy. It reacts particularly strongly to evil psychic energy. and can also track down the energy patern of someone in hiding. Mjolnir can also detect any Asgardians aura by their electrons discharge.
  • Energy Absorption and Redirection: Thor is able to use Mjolnir to absorb any energy blasts directed towards him as means of attack. Once the energy is absorbed, Thor can redirect it back amplified many times over towards the source and/or use it as a weapon of his own. Thor has used Mjolnir to reflect the vast and hazardous amounts of energy being emitted by the biological weapon implanted within the Wasp's body by the Skrulls back at her while all of Earth's other super humans were helpless. Thor used Mjolnir to absorb Ultron's entire energy source, the Silver Surfer's Power Cosmic,Sky-Walker's Cosmic Tempest, radio active energy, magnetism such as Magneto's personal magnetic field and a portion of the Pangoria's planetary magnetic field. Mjolnir's ability to absorb energy is so powerful he managed to absorb, contain and redirect the entire energy of the Null Bomb, which was powerful enough to destroy the entire galaxy, absorb mystical energies, such as Pluto's mystic flame. He was even able to absorb a portion of the mystical energies from every god patheon on Earth, and absorbed the electromagnetic energies of the Celestial Mother-ship.
  • Teleportation: By grasping Mjolnir by the leather thong and rapidly swirling it, Thor can channel energies for the purpose of opening gateways which he and others can pass through. He can open gateways which allow him to travel across locations no matter how great the distance within moments or even across entire dimensions, as he does when he travels from Asgard to Earth and vice-versa. Thor has used Mjolnir to rip the fabric of the Universe to send Surtur and Yimir to the Death Dimension and send an entire population to Limbo, Thor can also use Mjolnir to travel through portals anywhere within the same dimension. He formerly possessed the ability to travel through time but the temporal energies of the hammer were drained when Immortus asked Thor to use his hammer to save the planet Phantus and bring it back out of limbo and into the space-time continuum.
  • Matter Manipulation: This ability allows Thor to manipulate matter from a molecular level to a vast scale, which allows him to create other configurations and even allows him to transmute the elements themselves. This ability was evident when he transmuted the Absorbing Man's wood and iron body to the gas helium. He also transmute the elements and banished Absorbing Man to another dimension, trapped Hyperion in a glass dome he created out of nothing, and could even turn a pyramid into an orange tree.
  • Resurrection: While channeling his power through Mjolnir, Thor was able to resurrect a man he had wrongly killed.
  • Alpha Particles: Thor's hammer can harness Alpha Particles from the atmosphere and could use it to atomize any weaponry.
  • Negation of Mystic Energy: He used this ability on the Juggernaut himself to negate the mystical energies that grant him his mystical invulnerability, allowing him to defeat Juggernaut in combat. He was able to stop Mephisto from taking human souls to the Dark Dimension.
  • Cosmic Energy: Mjolnir allows Thor to produce and control Cosmic Energy to an unknown limit for a variety of purposes.
  • Electromagnetic Spectrum Manipulation: Thor was able to absorb and manipulate the electromagentic energies of the Celestial Mothership.
  • Invisibility and Intangibility: Thor can turn himself or others, using Mjolnir, completely intangible and/or invisible.An offshoot of this ability is that Thor can use Mjolnir to completely disrupt the phasing abilities of super humans such as the Vision, Shadowcat etc.
  • Event Recall: Thor can use Mjolnir to recall past events.
  • Transmigration of Souls: Thor's hammer has the ability to manipulate souls.
  • Life Force Absorption: Thor used this ability on the supervillain the Presence, who was forced to surrender before being reduced to a lifeless husk.
  • Illusion Detection: Mjolnir can distinguish images, holograms, and different illusions from reality: Thor once commanded the hammer to strike the demon lord Mephisto, who was hiding amongst false images of himself.
  • Interdimensional Messaging: Thor can used Mjolnir to send psychic messages between the nine realms.
  • Undead Lethality: As a former religious relic, Mjolnir is lethal to undead. Thor once threw Mjolnir at a vampire, with contact causing the vampire to burst into flame and crumble to dust.
  • Transformation: When Thor was living on Earth under his mortal guise, he could use Mjolnir to transfor from his Donald Blaker persona into Thor and vice versa. Thor loses this ability when Odin permanently separates the two personas.
  • Immunity to Other Forces: Even without activating the powers of Mjolnir, Thor's hammer, enchanted by Odin, is impervious to nearly all forms of change, as he himself claimed that no power in the universe but the All-Father's could affect Mjolnir, shown when Amora's magical efforts during her first confrontation with Thor to change it into a deadly serpent availed her naught.
  • Energy Manipulation: Thor has stated that he relies on the power of Mjolnir to often. Mjolnir does afford powers and abilities that he would not normally have, but Mjolnir is a tool and he has natural enery manipulation abilities without Mjolnir. During Ragnorak Thor had seen his family and friends fall to Loki's army and he reached down into himself for strength he never realized before and projected an energy blast so powerful that he knocked out Durok the Demolisher, who was so powerful that Thor, even with Mjolnir, was barely able to hold hold his own against.

  • Lightning: Thor usually uses Mjolnir to channel his storm abilities but he is capable of discharging lightning bolts from his hands. He also summoned a lightning bolt from the sky without Mjolnir to strike Hogun to revive him from near death.
  • Rain: Thor can summon rain without the use of Mjolnir. Thor called down rain to bless that land where Kurse fell during Ragnarok.

Chronokinesis: The Power of Time. Thor had the ability to use Mjonir to travel through time. By spinning Mjolnir faster than light Thor could open a portal to the fourth dimension of time to travel to the past and the future. By swinging Mjolnir in a precise manner, Thor can circumvent time by creating a time warp around certain areas.

Rune Magic: During Ragnarok, Thor acquired knowledge and use of the Runes which granted him a practically infinite supply of mystical power and spells in addition to his other powers as a result of drinking from the Well of Mimir for wisdom and clarity of inner vision. Thor was able to cast spells generating a variety of powerful effects while in the Asgardian dimension including teleportation within a dimension (while even Odin could not), to Valhalla, Surtur's realm, and the Fates at the World Tree, Destroy a Mjolnir copy and channel it's energy into a magical force blast sufficient to destroy two demons simultaneously, unleash a wave of mystical energy strong enough to best Loki armed with a duplicate of Mjolnir, destroy the rebuilt Valhalla and slay numerous Rock Trolls in seconds, raise circular energy shields bordered by runes to block formidable blows of Mangog, see even without physical eyes and remove Loki's head without quenching his life, however, Thor's eyes have both been restored. Thor's command of and mastery of Rune Magic and Mysticism was far greater than any Asgardian or anyone in the Nine Realms. The only exception is Thor's father Odin and even then Thor already has demonstrated the potential to surpass his father in the future. It is unknown whether he still possesses the power of the Runes and if so to what degree since his birth, and there is no visible indication at any instance that the Runes have been retained.

Odin Force/Thorforce: The Odin Force (or rather Thor Force) enables him to tap into the practically infinite resources of cosmic and mystical energies of the dimension Asgard exists within, enhancing all of his abilities in turn. The sum total of Odin's power as the king of Asgard plus the power of his brothers Vili and Ve, as well as his own, which made Thor effectively omnipotent. The Odin Force significantly increased Thor's powers as well as giving him greater abilities than his father Odin and the previous Asgardian sky fathers possessed. While barely tapping into the limitless powers of his vast magical power, Thor easily disintegrating Captain America's shield with simply a look, easily teleporting Asgard into the skies above new York City, able to recreate the moon after it was destroyed in a battle with him and a powerful entity, will Mangog into nothingness, decapitate a Desak-occupied Destroyer by focusing a portion of his power into one Mjolnir hurl, and easily conquer all of Earth, and defeat all of its inhabitants such as the Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. According to the avatar of the Odin Force, Thor recreating celestial bodies and his other accomplishments during his time on Earth were nothing but minimal compared to the Odin Force's limitless power, After his rebirth, Thor possessed only a tiny portion of the seemingly infinite power source that is the Odin Force which he used in the fight where he killed Odin's father Bor, and now that is imbued in Mjolnir.

The Odinsword Ragnarok: His father sword. Used to slay his uncle the Serpent.

Accelerated Healing - Granted by Atlas, Shu, Apollo and Marsosh. Chosen ones have incredible amounts of durability and invulnerability however if for some reason they are harmed their unique physiology allows their physical wounds to heal and at accelerated rate. They can survive incredible amounts of damage to their bodies given enough time.

Clairvoyance - Granted by Solomon, Zehuti, Minerva and Lumiun. Chosen ones are clairvoyant to all situations. They can understand situations from many angles including futuristic and past consequences to actions. Also understood as superhuman awareness with such clarity that chosen ones can see into the future of their actions.

Divine Empowerment - All of the powers given to the chosen ones are given through Shazam and come directly from Gods. These gods include Solomon, Hercules, Atlas, Zues, Achilles, Mercury, Shu, Heru, Amon, Zehuti, Aton, Mehen, Menthu, Selena, Hippolyta, Ariadne, Zephyrus, Aurora, Minerva, Marsosh, Arel, Ribalvei, Voldar, Elbiam, Lumiun and Apollo. Some chosen ones are given their powers directly from the gods and chose not to go through Shazam.

Divine Grace - Granted by Achilles, Mehen, Menthu, Selena and Elbiam. Chosen ones have innate luck and divine guidance in a largely unseen way. Mostly a psychological ability, they are the chosen of the gods and therefore are in the gods' favor. Their grace allows for seeming finesse in their actions and situations.

Eidetic Memory - Granted by Solomon, Zehuti, Minerva and Lumiun. Chosen ones have photographic memory. They can remember each piece of information they learn while in their superhuman forms. With this they can study situations and reevaluate them as required. This power is used in conjunction with their clairvoyance.

Energy Projection - Granted by Zeus, Aton and Ribalvei. Chosen ones can project their transforming lightning bolts as offensive weapons. An often unconventional weapon, chosen ones have been seen striking others including other chosen ones with their called upon lightning bolts.

Energy Resistance - Granted by Zeus, Aton and Ribalvei. Chosen one's physical forms have increased resistance to all magical based attacks and can take such attacks full on without sustained damage, such as; being hit with spells from magical opponents or even the magical lightning of other chosen ones.

Enhanced Intellect - Granted by Solomon, Zehuti, Minerva and Lumiun. Chosen ones are given superhuman brain activity and are provided by counsel and guidance when needed. They are also granted knowledge of all languages, warfare, mathematics, and other scholarly knowledge.

Flight - Granted by Mercury, Heru, Zephyrus and Arel. Chosen ones can soar into the skies through an act of sheer will. They can hover completely still or effortlessly achieve sub-orbital levels and travel across the planet in blinding speed.

Healing - Granted by Zeus, Aton, Apollo and Ribalvei. Chosen ones can heal themselves or others with their magical lightning. Chosen ones can use their lightning to save victims instead of injuring them at their own will and if they take heavy damage they can call the lightning to heal themselves as well.

Hypnosis - Granted by Solomon, Zehuti, Minerva and Lumiun. Chosen ones can hypnotize anyone who looks directly at them. Hardly used by today's chosen ones this ability can be understood as a chosen one's ability to manipulate their opponents or allies for various purposes.

Indomitable Will - Granted by Achilles, Mehen, Menthu, Selena and Elbiam. Chosen ones have incredible amounts of willpower which they utilize on an almost daily usage. A psychological power, their willpower allows them to fight on despite overwhelming odds and seemingly unbeatable situations. In most cases their willpower is in excess to their innate nature of good will, however that is not always true and their will can be bent to more destructive means.

Invulnerability - Granted by Achilles, Mehen, Menthu, Selena and Elbiam. Chosen ones have incredible amounts of durability, so much so that they are considered largely invulnerable to most if not all forms of physical damage. That isn't to say that they cannot be harmed but it would require one as powerful as them to hurt them physically. Sometimes called the Courage of the Gods, it is also mostly a psychological ability allowing the chosen ones access to large amounts of willpower and grace.

Magic - Granted by Zeus, Aton and Ribalvei. Chosen ones have incredible amounts of magic. Specifically, their entire superhuman makeup is one large magical spell. Sometimes called the Power of the Gods, most chosen ones choose to use their magic through lightning bolts, transformations, resistances, enhancements, and other spells.

Multilingualism - Granted by Solomon, Zehuti, Minerva and Lumiun. Chosen ones are omnilingual and can read, write, speak and understand all languages. With this they can communicate to even aliens and other lifeforms.

Self-Sustenance - Granted by Atlas, Shu, Apollo and Marsosh. Chosen ones can survive extended and even indefinite periods of time without sleep, food, water, or air. They can even survive harsh conditions such as deserts or tundras without harm. Furthermore they can survive the void of space or gaseous zones of other planets.

Superhuman Reflexes - Granted by Zeus, Aton and Ribalvei. Chosen one's physical forms have increased physical reactions and physical attributes to allow for their feats. As such they react more quickly in fights, make quick mental decisions and increase their height, weight, muscles and mass depending on their transformation.

Superhuman Speed - Granted by Mercury, Heru, Zephyrus and Arel. Chosen ones have incredible amounts of speed which allow them to move, react, and easily move at speeds far exceeding Mach 10 within Earth's atmosphere. It is possible that other uses of their speed aside from running and flying.

Superhuman Stamina - Granted by Atlas, Shu, Apollo and Marsosh. Chosen ones have incredible stamina and endurance. They seem to be able to fight on forever and some many even survive without sustenance. If they were ever harmed their limitless metabolism would surely heal their damage.

Superhuman Strength - Granted by Hercules, Amon, Hippolyta and Voldar. Chosen ones have incredible physical strength, enough to lift at least 100 tons. They can effortlessly bend steel, punch through walls, and lift massive objects. They've also been seen able to crack the crust of planets, physically hold off multiple heroes and tear humans apart.

Teleportation - Granted by Zeus, Aton and Ribalvei. Chosen ones can teleport to locations such as the Rock of Eternity with but a thought and an action. They can only teleport to this place and only from it, they cannot teleport elsewhere or at will to other locations.

Transformation - Granted by Zeus, Aton and Ribalvei. Chosen ones almost always transform into their godlike forms from their human personas. In certain situations they don't have physical changes such as aging or sustaining an age and this can lead to theoretic immortality but once they revert to their original forms they take on whatever ailments they had sustained (such as an injured leg, aging thousands of years or having a broken arm).

#25 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

We need to tell you what powerful means? There are dictionaries for that

#26 Edited by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

We need to tell you what powerful means? There are dictionaries for that

I asked because you haven't answered HOW BA is more powerful than Thor.

m99

#27 Posted by SHAZAM117 (2868 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Adam

#28 Posted by SHAZAM117 (2868 posts) - - Show Bio

.......Mjolnir gives Thor an incredible advantage though

#29 Edited by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

In terms of consistent writing, strength and invulnerability Black Adam easily is over Thor.

Thor has died how many times in the past 2 years?

Black Adam took on the Justice League, The Justice Society and the Teen Titans at the same time.

When has Thor ever done something like that?

#30 Posted by SHAZAM117 (2868 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, there was the one story arc "Blood and Thunder" a while ago, when Thor was outta his mind if I remember correctly

#31 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117 said:

Well, there was the one story arc "Blood and Thunder" a while ago, when Thor was outta his mind if I remember correctly

And fought off nearly 20 of the worlds most powerful heroes?

That's not how I remember that event playing out.

#32 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is the heavy hitter of his universe, Black Adam is not, it's all about the writing. Did we see Thor facing black Adam during the DC/Marvel cross overs. No, of course: Sup is the heavy hitter of his universe.

Now make no mistake, Black Adam is one of my favorites.

I'd love to see an other DC/Marvel event with Black Adam and Doom allying against various heroes and being the ones both universes existence rely on for a change.

#33 Posted by SHAZAM117 (2868 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz I'd still give Thor credit in that one...he did fight off the Surfer, Drax and a few other cosmic heavyweights. It's hard to say whats the more impressive feat, WW3 or Blood and Thunder....I still think Black Adam is the more powerful of the two...it's just that Thor has a serious advantage wielding one the most powerful weapons/items in all of MARVEL U in Mjolnir

#34 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

@DocFatalis said:

Thor is the heavy hitter of his universe, Black Adam is not, it's all about the writing. Did we see Thor facing black Adam during the DC/Marvel cross overs. No, of course: Sup is the heavy hitter of his universe.

Now make no mistake, Black Adam is one of my favorites.

I'd love to see an other DC/Marvel event with Black Adam and Doom allying against various heroes and being the ones both universes existence rely on for a change.

Black Adam is not one of the most powerful characters of the Marvel Universe? You need to read more DC.

And saying that Thor is the toughest hero of his Universe is false. There have been many that have shown to be on equal terms with him.

#35 Edited by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor's hammer is the dealbreaker. With it, he outclasses BA.

I'll explain later, I have to go now, I'm busy.

m99

#36 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think anyone was expecting any other answer from you.

Hence why you hold such little respect.

Your opinion is always biased and of that of a groupie.

#37 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

As Kallarkz said, BA is more powerful generally. Versatility goes to Thor as he can kill Cancer. Hehe!

#38 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

I don't think anyone was expecting any other answer from you.

Hence why you hold such little respect.

Your opinion is always biased and of that of a groupie.

1. You have yet to show me how BA is more powerful than Thor

2. I'll believe BA is more powerful than Thor...when you show me proof

3. Contrary to your arrogant, one-sided opinion, I actually listen to facts. But I bet you're told being an idiot is second-nature for you.

m99

#39 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

@DocFatalis said:

Thor is the heavy hitter of his universe, Black Adam is not, it's all about the writing. Did we see Thor facing black Adam during the DC/Marvel cross overs. No, of course: Sup is the heavy hitter of his universe.

Now make no mistake, Black Adam is one of my favorites.

I'd love to see an other DC/Marvel event with Black Adam and Doom allying against various heroes and being the ones both universes existence rely on for a change.

Black Adam is not one of the most powerful characters of the Marvel Universe? You need to read more DC.

And saying that Thor is the toughest hero of his Universe is false. There have been many that have shown to be on equal terms with him.

And you need to read people's post several times before trying to make snappy useless remarks:

-it is said nowhere in my post that Black Adam is not among the most powerful

-It is said nowhere in my post that there aren't other characters with powers rivaling the ones of Thor.

Now, we haven't seen too many other non conceptual Marvel characters successfully hitting a celestial or destroying a moon with his bare hands. That's why I call him the heavy hitter of reference in his universe.

About my need to read more DC, here is what I can say: I started in 1978 and have been reading some consistently since. Maybe that's not enough, but in this case, there is nothing much I can do about it.

You've been rude boy, nobody likes a rude boy.

#40 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@DocFatalis said:

@Kallarkz said:

@DocFatalis said:

Thor is the heavy hitter of his universe, Black Adam is not, it's all about the writing. Did we see Thor facing black Adam during the DC/Marvel cross overs. No, of course: Sup is the heavy hitter of his universe.

Now make no mistake, Black Adam is one of my favorites.

I'd love to see an other DC/Marvel event with Black Adam and Doom allying against various heroes and being the ones both universes existence rely on for a change.

Black Adam is not one of the most powerful characters of the Marvel Universe? You need to read more DC.

And saying that Thor is the toughest hero of his Universe is false. There have been many that have shown to be on equal terms with him.

And you need to read people's post several times before trying to make snappy useless remarks:

-it is said nowhere in my post that Black Adam is not among the most powerful

-It is said nowhere in my post that there aren't other characters with powers rivaling the ones of Thor.

Now, we haven't seen too many other non conceptual Marvel characters successfully hitting a celestial or destroying a moon with his bare hands. That's why I call him the heavy hitter of reference in his universe.

About my need to read more DC, here is what I can say: I started in 1978 and have been reading some consistently since. Maybe that's not enough, but in this case, there is nothing much I can do about it.

You've been rude boy, nobody likes a rude boy.

Thor is the heavy hitter in his universe...Black Adam is not. Either you are trying to back track what you said because you finally thought about it or you are not clear as to what a heavy hitter is.  
I assure you...if your interpretation of my demeanor becomes something of importance to me I will let you know.
#41 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz: Either you don't understand what I write or choose not to. In both cases it doesn't justify your tone and certainly doesn't make you interesting, just look daft. Suit yourself and go on kid. Nobody is going to pay attention anymore, at least I won't.

#42 Edited by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@majestic99 said:

@Kallarkz said:

I don't think anyone was expecting any other answer from you.

Hence why you hold such little respect.

Your opinion is always biased and of that of a groupie.

1. You have yet to show me how BA is more powerful than Thor

2. I'll believe BA is more powerful than Thor...when you show me proof

3. Contrary to your arrogant, one-sided opinion, I actually listen to facts. But I bet you're told being an idiot is second-nature for you.

m99

Have I done something to make you think that it is my goal to prove things to you? 
Have you ever tried to explain to a loose dog that it should go back home? Of course not. It wouldn't understand 
That's the same thing with you. I'll answer questions you post...but will only engage in a conversation with you if I have an abundance of time due to the fact that I get so little out of it. You can't see things objectively ever. You always have an excuse whether it be "it's still canon" or "I heard it somewhere" or "I got the information from a messed up website" etc. 
You can't accept that Thor might possibly be lesser than how you view him in your mind. And when people show you scans to prove you wrong you wave it away with "PIS". 
I couldn't imagine anyone having a debate with you over a third grade level about Thor because you do not know how to have an objective view. 
You simply  create these threads in a desperate attempt to prove to people that Thor is "number one". Everyone sees that.  
You post that enormous list of Thor's abilities simply because it is a massive compilation of an item he carries that has been used exactly like a magical wand that in the past was capable of almost anything. 
Current Thor and what is canon are the same but now separate.  We have established a number of times that those things are in fact canon. But current Thor (the Thor that is being written today) is not being written by writers anymore with the potential to do a number of those things. And in this forum it is more common to speak of how a character has been written currently instead of how he was written 3 decades ago. I would accept the possibility of Thor being able to do all of those things if he had shown any proof of it within the last twenty years. But writers (the people who give him life) have not done that.
Writers did the same thing with Sunspot. They would give him the ability to fly at the beginning then they took it away and he was carried around. Then writers came back and gave him this ability once more. It happens and it is something that no matter how many people tell it to you you cannot accept. 

I am not expecting an intelligent answer whatsoever. In fact, I am fully expecting another "but it's canon" response as you have been giving for some time now. Your way of thinking is just far too narrow to hold any kind of intelligent conversation. Hence why I imagine you gave that abundant list of names the other day of the individuals in this forum who do not like you and are "mean" to you.  It would be easier to respect what you have to say if you hadn't admitted in several instances that you simply agreed about some of Thor's abilities because another user told you it was true or if you didn't compare characters abilities to one another and later admit that you got the description of their powers from a "messed up website" or if I didn't have to go around the Thor forum correcting information you give to users to have you later say "oh... I didn't understand the question".  
 
Want to actually surprise some people? Instead of creating these threads simply to defend Thor as if he were your best friend, why don't YOU give exact examples as to why Thor is more powerful than Black Adam. Detailed ones. Instead of simply posting that massive list of abilities like you do in every thread which is simply demonstrating laziness on your part.  
 
now since I have given you all the necessary time I am willing to spend talking about you personally for the time being, i'll attempt to stay on topic. 
I stand by my previous statement of  
Thor is more versatile as in even discounting the abilities he has not displayed since Ronald Regan was president, he has more than Black Adam does. 
Although with the power of Isis Black Adam was given control over nature but since he never really displayed it I would not count it as fact. 
Black Adam however has simply shown to be able to take more punishment than Thor and by taking on the Justice League, The Justice Society of America and the Teen Titans proved he one of DC"s toughest characters. I have not seen Thor do anything like that.
#43 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@DocFatalis said:

@Kallarkz: Either you don't understand what I write or choose not to. In both cases it doesn't justify your tone and certainly doesn't make you interesting, just look daft. Suit yourself and go on kid. Nobody is going to pay attention anymore, at least I won't.

When you have something of relevance to say to the actual thread I'll be glad to discuss it with you.  
#44 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor.

@Deranged Midget said:

@joshmightbe said:

@Delphic: He has potential to be able to channel lightening with out it but he has far more control with the hammer, also the hammer does give him the ability to fly. Basically he needs the hammer because he hasn't reached his full potential.

The hammer is basically a crutch. Thor was demonstrated to be at his peak potential as Rune King Thor, needing Mjolnir no more.

What do you mean by this?

#45 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: Thor relies on his hammer because he thinks he needs it more than he does. If he reached his full potential he wouldn't need it at all. He has actually been hinted at having more potential power than Odin given that his Mother is an elder god.

#46 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@jeanroygrant: Thor relies on his hammer because he thinks he needs it more than he does. If he reached his full potential he wouldn't need it at all. He has actually been hinted at having more potential power than Odin given that his Mother is an elder god.

Wouldn't he be more powerful than Odin or Gaea since he is half god and half elder god?

#47 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: He would be more powerful than Odin, Not sure about Gaea though. She's an elder god whose far more powerful than Odin. Elder Gods>Skyfathers

#48 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@jeanroygrant: He would be more powerful than Odin, Not sure about Gaea though. She's an elder god whose far more powerful than Odin. Elder Gods>Skyfathers

I see.

#49 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz:

I created this thread to see SCANS and arguments for either side. And so far, you have shown me none.

m99

#50 Edited by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@majestic99 said:

@Kallarkz:

I created this thread to see SCANS and arguments for either side. And so far, you have shown me none.

m99

 

I'm not going to ask that question a third time. 
Anyone reading this post can go back and see that in 2 separate occasions I gave clear examples. 
Your way of debating is simply ignoring questions that are being posed to you because you cannot answer. 
I can go back and quote myself which will show you are ignoring my questions or you can simply finally answer it. 
 
And one more time:

 Instead of creating these threads simply to defend Thor as if he were your best friend, why don't YOU give exact examples as to why Thor is more powerful than Black Adam. Detailed ones. Instead of simply posting that massive list of abilities like you do in every thread which is simply demonstrating laziness on your part