Who suffers from the most PIS

Batman. 
 
Edit: OH if you mean not working in their favor then...not sure. But feats, Batman has a lot.

By suffer, do you mean as the victim, i.e., not working in their favor?

In that case: Thor.

If by suffer you mean has the most PIS feats?

Batman. He's awesome, one of my favorite characters, but Batman.

Been done before: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion/1/character-with-the-most-pis/687206/

@The_Thunderer said:

• Flash
• Martian Manhunter
• Thor (although partly CIS)
• Green Lanterns
• Wonder Woman
• Silver Surfer

Basically all the really powerful characters.

Galactus

Working for them:

• Red Hulk
• Batman
• Hulk
• Red Hulk
• Captain America
• Punisher
• and of course Red Hulk

Working against them:

• Thor
• Galactus
• Superman
• Silver Surfer
• Flash
• Darkseid
• Most major villains to be honest

Thanos... He got arrested once.. Darkseid.. Got beat up by a bunch of street thugs once.... Apocalypse ... He should be near Thanos and Sied's level but he dies nothing to show it.... I could go all day about villains losing in dumb ways though.... For a hero I'd say Thor and Hercules get mistreated the worst with it.

@danhimself: Good luck catching him without major casualties.

@danhimself: Reality? You mean like not in a comic book then?

@danhimself: Can you define "well written"? Because from Marvel's initial concept and decision, the Punisher is by essence a mere human being that was made incredibly witty, resolute, tough, psychopathic and prepared. You have the right not to like the idea, but that is the way he was designed and written for the past 20 years or so. Calling it PIS is like saying "no way, Superman shouldn't be able to push a planet" or "hell, no one can be as clever as this Reed Richards guy".

@danhimself: considering the number of times when Clark got severely beaten up or held in check by Bruce, I am not sure that is the comparison you wanted to use.

For clarity on the argument above please see Punisher vs Sentry (Dark Reign) . That's what Cap,Batman and Punisher should be doing everytime they fight a high super power.... RUUUUUN and lose quickly.

@danhimself said:

@DocFatalis: no that's exactly the comparison I wanted to use....do you really think that Batman would stand a chance against Superman if it weren't for PIS....a guy who can move planets getting beaten by a guy in a kevlar suit? the same goes for Punisher against the Avengers...they've got a super soldier, a god, a man in a billion dollar suit of armor, and a hulk.....the Punisher is crazy and has guns...the only realistic example of Frank fighting a superhuman is when Daken chopped him into pieces

That's your vision of the thing, not the vision of the immense majority of writers. And once again, realistic in the kind of comics proposed by Marvel and DC doesn't mean squat, consistent is more or less the only real rule, that and maybe in or out of character. Having Stark not being killed by his own armour when he hits a wall is not very realistic for example, but it's been so since the 70's.

Writers are paid to write within boundaries no matter if they agree with it or not . Iron-man hitting a wall and living isn't pis because it has nothing to do with... Plot induced stupidity .

That and the fact that steel is stronger than cement but I like your answer too  or ya know .. Physics .. Where like a weaker object can go through a strong object and sustain no damage because its moving so fast.. Like when there is a tornado and it throws and peace of grass through a thick tree.. And stuff..

@danhimself: Once again that is your interpretation, nothing that's been depicted or explained anywhere. But that really isn't the point: according to Marvel's logic for the 20 last years or so, the Punisher is someone incredibly difficult to take down. That's a stable rule that simply prevails.

@Enosisik: That is not how it works, even in real life. Now if you want to make an interesting experience, put an egg in a steel box and drop this from the second floor. I'm not sure the egg inside will remain intact. The straw in the tree case is a common myth, but it's been busted: http://mythbustersresults.com/episode61. Also, the penetration is only possible because of the pointy shape of the straw. Anything thrown flat against a wall is more likely to suffer an effect comparable to blast effect.

Al this doesn't matter in the end, because comics don't observe the laws of physics most of the time

Yeah maybe not straw but there are plenty of objects that do go through trees and the egg thing is a terrible example considering that Stark isn't an egg in a box. If you have a helmet on and slam into a wall you die due to your neck being broken not your head.. If he's in a full suit of steel then chances are it is tight fitting so that there is less chance of slamming around inside and heavy padding is on the inside to protect. It's just basic common sense of how you would protect yourself inside of a suit like that. He's more like cannon ball than a metal tool box..... And actually the poster above you'd comment has been said like a million times by Stark in the comics.. It's not his interpitation it's part of the description of the armor .

(according to Marvel's logic for the 20 last years or so, the Punisher is someone incredibly difficult to take down. That's a stable rule that simply prevails.) .... That's the definition of 'Pis'... That was the whole point .. Example Punisher fights Thor.. What can Punisher do? Answer = NOTHING! There is no possible way to make sense of Punisher winning or even surviving a to the death fight between these two unless Punisher can out run lightning bolts..?

@Enosisik: Apparently there is something I can not explain clearly enough, so I'm going to take an other angle: Logic has nothing to do with characters like Batman or the Punisher beating more powerful beings, it's simply the way they have been consistently written and the way they will keep on being written. It is part of their function in their respective universes. That's why they will always be presented as someone prepared or who thought about a flaw in their opponent long in advance etc...

This can not be considered as Plot Induced Stupidity because it's consistent in the character and not related to the plot. You might not like it, but it's just the way they are. No justification is needed from the author more than simply telling a good story.

Example: if they show you the Punisher suddenly capable of withstanding a full power punch from Thor, then it's clearly PIS. Now, if they show you the same Punisher acquiring the norn stones through some twisted way just because he has decided to take down Thor this week in order to perform his stern duties, then there is no PIS, just the Punisher doing what he does: plotting, getting prepared and making sure no one will stand in the way.

Do you not understand that an on going story IS A PLOT? The plot is that he's a highly trained former soldier out for revenge ... All the stuff you said about logic makes no difference... We all know that it's comic 'logic' but it doesn't make a difference. If the plot of the store involves him dodging bullets at point blank range it's still 'pis' and 'cis' because there is no reason for him to be able to do it other than the need for it in the story. (His character is a normal human and dodging bullets at point blank is beyond the characters natural ability) ... 'Oh he can just do that' is fine for common things such as dodging bullets because it is so common but the issue is with the uncommon act. It's acceptable pis vs unacceptable pis.

@Enosisik said:

Do you not understand that an on going story IS A PLOT? The plot is that he's a highly trained former soldier out for revenge ... All the stuff you said about logic makes no difference... We all know that it's comic 'logic' but it doesn't make a difference. If the plot of the store involves him dodging bullets at point blank range it's still 'pis' and 'cis' because there is no reason for him to be able to do it other than the need for it in the story. (His character is a normal human and dodging bullets at point blank is beyond the characters natural ability) ... 'Oh he can just do that' is fine for common things such as dodging bullets because it is so common but the issue is with the uncommon act. It's acceptable pis vs unacceptable pis.

Here's your main problem in bold letters.

The only thing I can recommend is that you read an other kind of comics, because this one is not going to change.

@DarkKnightDetective: Interesting. I see recurring facts here. So maybe I wasn't explaining that bad.

@PurpleCandy said:

Stan Smith

Not sure if he counts but yeah Stan suffers from it allot