bats. he has received extreme amounts of psycholocical training and spiderman just cant match that. spidey lost an uncle that was like a father to him, while bats lost both of his parents,and at a much younger age. this has also caused batman to become a much darker hero, and he has dealt with the likes of scarecrow, who uses extreme amounts of fear gas on him, but he usually manages to pull through.
Probably a tie although that feat of Spider-man replaying every battle he's ever fought in rapid succession is one of the biggest feats of willpower for a street leveler i've seen in comics.
I'm going to say Spidey, just cause of Coming Home. Morlun was kicking his a**, but when a civvie was in danger, knowing full well Morlun could hit him that hard, he still jumped in to save that chick.
Batman, Spidey has self-esteem issues which causes him to make wise cracks at inappropriate moments which shows a lack of willpower. You can mention all those times where he has done X but this key part of his character overshadows all those and he just wouldn't be as likable or relatable without it.
@Dextersinister: Those wisecracks are just his personality. He started out as a teenager, and obviously teenagers crack wise at everything, and over time it became an embedded character trait.
From what I see, it's nothing to do with self-esteem issues.
bats. he has received extreme amounts of psycholocical training and spiderman just cant match that. spidey lost an uncle that was like a father to him, while bats lost both of his parents,and at a much younger age. this has also caused batman to become a much darker hero, and he has dealt with the likes of scarecrow, who uses extreme amounts of fear gas on him, but he usually manages to pull through.
I don't see how the number of family members lost should have anything to do with willpower.
If anything, that should prove Spider-Man is stronger, as he didn't lose his sanity after his uncle died.
@Dextersinister said:
Batman, Spidey has self-esteem issues which causes him to make wise cracks at inappropriate moments which shows a lack of willpower. You can mention all those times where he has done X but this key part of his character overshadows all those and he just wouldn't be as likable or relatable without it.
Probably a tie although that feat of Spider-man replaying every battle he's ever fought in rapid succession is one of the biggest feats of willpower for a street leveler i've seen in comics.
Spiderman has done nothing compared to Bruces feats of willpower
When Spiderman saw Gwen die again he started weeping like a baby until Doctor Strange told him to get his nut up
Batman purposely keeps the memory of his parents going because he needs it to drive him, even when Hal Jordan gave him the chance to put it behind him, he wanted to remain Batman
True but Peter went along with it. On the other hand when Bats knew the JL was wiping memories of criminals, he went against EVERYBODY for what he believed in while peter took the easy route
Probably a tie although that feat of Spider-man replaying every battle he's ever fought in rapid succession is one of the biggest feats of willpower for a street leveler i've seen in comics.
For this I give a slight edge to Spidey. And not many people seem know that Spidey also lost his unborn daughter to the Green Goblin. Yet he still had the restraint not to kill him.
True but Peter went along with it. On the other hand when Bats knew the JL was wiping memories of criminals, he went against EVERYBODY for what he believed in while peter took the easy route
Im guessing you did not read Cry for Justice which shows Batman and Martian manhunter mindwiping Promethus
@loadofmilark said:
Barman because unlike Spiderman he often has to fight on a physical and psychological level I.e the joker and scarecrow
barman also took time training to be who he is whereas Spiderman happened upon his powers by chance
Yeah Spiderman has had a few Psychological Battles especially with Mysterio who had tried to Break Spiderman though illusions kind of like Scarcrows fear gas
Well I say Batman.He has to fight alot of low-life scums that are murderers.Batman holds back his thoughts which clearly say he should kill certain bad guy(Joker) among others.His will is so great that he refuse a fear ring.Batman has stated that he thought of killing but choose not to because he will never go back.When someone shows that type of will of not killing scums like Joker has gotta mean something.Not saying spidey doesnt have great will power.Just not on Mr.Wayne level.
@Warlock12: I know he's had a few but no where near the quantity and quality of batman who has supervillains who's entire purpose is driving him insane
@loadofmilark: Yeah neither does Batman I mean i know some of them have tried to screw with batman's head like the Joker in the Killing Joke but I don't think any of them have made it there goal to drive him insane except if its to help them kill the bat.
Everyone posting about Batman having greater will because he's never had the thought of giving up or an emotional breakdown due to what he inadvertently caused or the death of someone close to him needs to realize that will is not about being unbreakable. It's about being indomitable. It's about falling into that deep dark area of your psyche where giving up is the only option and having the strength to pull yourself out and keep going. Due to that Spider Man has the greater will in my opinion.
I'll say probably Batman because he seems to get business done faster than Spiderman. Batman just seems to get things out of the way faster however, Spiderman does as well, but it seems that Bruce has more comfident than Peter does.
Nudge who has the ability to use mind control and invoke psychological hallucinations has no effect on Batman. Nudge's powers are powerful enough to control Superman and even John Stewart:
When attacked by Black, Batman is able to resist, when all the rest of the Justice League gives in:
After being chosen to bear a Yellow power ring Batman is able to resist its power and Free himself:
In the Spectre series, Soul War, Batman is able to resist mind control, hallucinations, and psychic attacks that none of the other Justice League can resist, not even Spectre himself.
Batmans willpower is the most powerful in his universe. Superman, Martian Manhunter, Hal Jordan none of them come close. Spectre even failed to accomplish what Batman had done.
Batman deals with some of the most terrifying and emotionally bombarding characters. He has the will not to kill Joker, even after Joker killed Bruces childhood friend.
Batman deals with some of the most terrifying and emotionally bombarding characters. He has the will not to kill Joker, even after Joker killed Bruces childhood friend.
Spider-Man has the will not to kill Green Goblin even though he murdered his true love right in front of his eyes, buried Aunt May alive inside Uncle Ben's coffin with the corpse, ruined Peter's life by masterminding the clone saga, ruined Peter's best friend's life and even being the cause of his death, and took over all of Marvel Earth.
Batman having more will than Spider-Man because he doesn't kill Joker is a weak argument.
Both Spider-Man and Batman are the two head honchos of willpower in their universe. When it comes down to it, neither of them can do something the other can't. This battle is a true stalemate.
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