#1 Edited by SOG7dc (7518 posts) - - Show Bio

Rule:

Be open to opposing views

Be kind

Be respectful

And most importantly be descriptive

Edit: In an effort to make this thread more interesting I'm going to make it wonder woman or ms marvel

#2 Posted by Wolverine08 (43672 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean Grey is one of the biggest Mary Sues in comics. I'm not really a fan of Wonder Woman, but I definitely like her more than Jean Grey.

#3 Posted by SOG7dc (7518 posts) - - Show Bio
#4 Posted by DecoyElite (4019 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@wolverine08: Mary sues?

A character who is meant to be perfect and everything must always revolve around them.

#5 Edited by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

WW, she knows problems can be fixed with her fists, my type of girl! Also WW would never dream of marrying Cyclops.

EDIT: when I made the response it was WW and Jean Gray, not Ms Marvel

#6 Edited by SOG7dc (7518 posts) - - Show Bio

@decoyelite: Thanks. I changed it to make it more of an interesting topic

#7 Posted by SOG7dc (7518 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar: I know o just thought it'd be more interesting this way. Since Jean is a "mary sue"

#8 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

WW, she knows problems can be fixed with her fists, my type of girl! Also WW would never dream of marrying Cyclops.

EDIT: when I made the response it was WW and Jean Gray, not Ms Marvel

fixing problems with her fists in not wonder woman's true nature,her true character don't use violence as the first answer,don't let the horrible written new 52 version fool you.

#9 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc:wonder woman,her story and her personality are more interesting for me.

wonder woman is the female hero,the way her character,cast and villans complement each other so well.

1)amazons,the perfect world ruled by women where peace and love predominate,the utopia that the amazons represent.

2)the gods and their blessings to wonder woman.

3)diana is a pure soul,compassionate, kind and protective as a mother and also strong,independent,wise and fearless as a warrior.

4)diana's nature,her ability to open the heart of other people,her morals,what she stands for,the way she treats everyone even her villans,without prejudice,and the way her kind heart changes the lives of the people around her,even her villans.

5)diana's supporting cast,vanessa,julia,steve,etta,and how they get involve in diana's mission and try to help her even thought they are just mortals,showing that some humans are willing to go beyond their limits tryng to make a difference in this world,even thought they are vulnerable,they prove to be role models,that you don't even need powers to try to do siomething for this world.

6)diana's villans,they represent wonder woman's antithesis,ares is war,violence and obsessed with having total control. ,cheetah=hate,jealousy,contempt for life and power ambiccion,silver swan=lack of self-esteem,frustration and anger.

dr psycho=small man complex,loneliness,sadness and obsessed with finding someone for him to never be alone,his obsetion with diana.

circe=ego,evil,superiority complex and vindictive.

ms marvel used to have some depth that i liked but now they totally turned her into captain marvel's ripped off,she lacks a true rogue gallery,and is the type of character that is just there most of the time,marvel hasn't tried to give her a true highlight moment and she is one of the most overrated characters in terms of power,her feats don't put her beyond the mid-powerhouses chart and yet some people want to put her above power girl,supergirl and wonder woman power-wise.

#10 Posted by GraniteSoldier (8491 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer Ms. Marvel, but I have a tendency to gravitate to military or ex-military heroes. Wonder Woman is a great character, I just personally prefer Ms. Marvel. When you get to characters who's powers include moving planets and the like, I just start to lose interest.

#11 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (6764 posts) - - Show Bio

Ms. Marvel. More consistent and has better character development I guess.

I also find her hotter.

#12 Posted by Tyrus (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Wonder Woman because she's of course, more of an icon than Ms. Marvel (or any heroine for that matter).

I like Ms. Marvel because she's a better defined character than Wonder Woman IMO.

#13 Posted by Bruxae (14004 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman, cant really say why.

#14 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Ms Marvel

Though animated Wonder Woman is amazing.

#15 Posted by Red_Lion1989 (46 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain Marvel. I say this because since Kelly Sue Deconnick started the series, Captain Marvel has become one of my favorite characters. Shes strong, funny and just fleshed out really well. Wonder Woman i can read when shes in team books like Justice League but I've never had the desire to read her solo title.

#16 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain Marvel. I say this because since Kelly Sue Deconnick started the series, Captain Marvel has become one of my favorite characters. Shes strong, funny and just fleshed out really well. Wonder Woman i can read when shes in team books like Justice League but I've never had the desire to read her solo title.

Kind of ironic since Carol Danvers is not the character in Kelly Sue DeConnick's series. That's some bastardised version.

#17 Posted by Squares (7502 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder how many people who respond to this topic have read the Ms. Marvel series. It gives you a much different look at the personality of Carol Danvers...

Admittedly, I haven't read any of the new Captain Marvel series, so I don't know if they've changed some of her less endearing personality traits, but hands down I prefer Wonder Woman.

#18 Posted by Red_Lion1989 (46 posts) - - Show Bio

@fadetoblackbolt: Really? How so? I won't lie I've never read the Ms.Marvel series unfortunately.

#19 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@red_lion1989: Try and find Ms Marvel by Brian Reed. It's an AMAZING series that shows the real Carol.

DeConnick's version is more what Carol is to someone who's never read her, if that makes sense.

#20 Posted by Red_Lion1989 (46 posts) - - Show Bio

@red_lion1989: Try and find Ms Marvel by Brian Reed. It's an AMAZING series that shows the real Carol.

DeConnick's version is more what Carol is to someone who's never read her, if that makes sense.

Hmm, I really enjoy Deconnick's take but I will try and take a look at Reeds run on Ms.Marvel.

#21 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
#22 Posted by X35 (5981 posts) - - Show Bio

Ms. Marvel used to inspire me to be a better person and be the best I can be... it helped since that someone who looked as flawless as Carol Danvers is relatable and spends her time trying to do the same and facing realistic problems for a woman other than lame "oooh which boy do I pick" drama. She was a proper female character who on the surface was the archetype beautiful aspirational woman but underneath had confidence problems and a drive to be better even though she was already the best. Then they evolved her into DeConnick's version which tossed all that side for a foot-notes version of a stereotypical female empowerment pastiche.

#23 Posted by BallPointHero (134 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@wolverine08: Mary sues?

A character who is meant to be perfect and everything must always revolve around them.

Oh. Then you must be talking about Stephanie Brown. Girl is the walking definition of it.

#24 Posted by dondave (38505 posts) - - Show Bio

WW

#25 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

Ms. Marvel. More consistent and has better character development I guess.

I also find her hotter.

more consistent in what?.

#26 Edited by modernww2fare (1323 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman forever.

#27 Posted by TDK_1997 (14985 posts) - - Show Bio

With time my sympathies for both characters change but currently I don't like either of them but I prefer a little bit more Carol.

#28 Posted by SOG7dc (7518 posts) - - Show Bio

Azzarello's wonderwoman is making me love her anymore

#29 Edited by PowerHerc (85058 posts) - - Show Bio

I love em both.

Wonder Woman is the more powerful, most iconic and best female super-hero ever.

Ms. Marvel was created to be a feminist super-heroine in the 1970's who has never garnered as much popularity as Marvel would've liked but, despite that, she's still a great character.

I really can't decide.

#30 Edited by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

wonder woman.