Which movie is more overrated? - Gen. Discussion

#1 Posted by TheCannon (14192 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

#2 Posted by TheCannon (14192 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Both Batman movies are incredibly overrated for some reason. Which is more overrated?

I'm torn. People say The Dark Knight is the greatest superhero movie ever (it's not even in the top 10). Mask of the Phantasm is no where near close to any Batman movie (though it's obviously better than Batman Forever and Batman & Robin). They say it's among the greatest.

Because of that, I'll say Mask of the Phantasm is more overrated. TDK had Heath Ledger Joker.

#3 Posted by irmensul (40 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

All the Batman films..I think Batman forever was the best suit..obviously I didnt even watch the clooney one it was too painful but I nominate the Singer X men movies & Nolan movies as most over rated ..sorry

#4 Posted by TheCannon (14192 posts) - 4 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@irmensul said:

All the Batman films..I think Batman forever was the best suit..obviously I didnt even watch the clooney one it was too painful but I nominate the Singer X men movies & Nolan movies as most over rated ..sorry

I was talking about the two mentioned above.

But with the thing about Nolan being overrated (which the first two are extremely), I'm guessing you vote TDK?

#5 Posted by ENGLENTINE (427 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

You are talking about an opinion. Neither film are over rated. They deserve all the praise they get.

The original Blade was a bit over rated ( IMO )

#6 Posted by coolguyr99 (3012 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

I don't think any of them are overrated. Dark Knight is one of the best superhero films ever and so is Mask of the Phantom.

#7 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (21886 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

You know, when someone with the IQ of a gnat says something is overrated, it kind of works in its favour.

Mask of the Phantasm isn't overrated in the least. Neither is the Dark Knight.

#8 Posted by entropy_aegis (12319 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

MOTP is not overrated,TDK could be considered overrated but personally I dont feel that way.

#9 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Neither. They're just rated.

#10 Posted by InnerVenom123 (27538 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

You know, when someone with the IQ of a gnat says something is overrated, it kind of works in their favour.

#11 Posted by Moonchilde (1352 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Neither. Both are awesome!

#12 Posted by SmashBrawler (3777 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Neither.

#13 Posted by TheCannon (14192 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

A lot of these comments prove the movies are overrated.

#14 Posted by End_Boss (575 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

I can't speak to MOTP, because I haven't seen it. I don't see how you're getting that The Dark Knight is overrated, though. While it may not be the best comic book movie of all time, it is certainly a contender. And if you mean "overrated in Hollywood," I still don't get what you mean. The only person who got an Oscar out of that was Ledger (posthumously), and the man deserved it. He's the sweetheart with the leading man looks that starred in such greats as "A Knight's Tale" and "10 Things I Hate About You" who managed to shed all of that to be the most menacing Joker ever seen on screen, a villain characterized by his depravity and hideous appearance. No small feat.

#15 Posted by blackadamFTW (7824 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

Both Batman movies are incredibly overrated for some reason. Which is more overrated?
I'm torn. People say The Dark Knight is the greatest superhero movie ever (it's not even in the top 10). Mask of the Phantasm is no where near close to any Batman movie (though it's obviously better than Batman Forever and Batman & Robin). They say it's among the greatest.
Because of that, I'll say Mask of the Phantasm is more overrated. TDK had Heath Ledger Joker.

You are the one of the most biased people I've seen on this site. When someone say they don't like the Avengers you flip the f**k out, but you say that The Dark Knight, not only the highest rated superhero movie of all time, but also one of the highest rated movies of all time, isn't even in the top 10. You must have something stuck way up your ass to be saying this kind of sh!t.

@TheCannon said:

A lot of these comments prove the movies are overrated.

Not at all. Their both great movies ,and neither are overrated. I don't even think anybody thinks that Mask of the Phantasm is overrated. I know some people who think The Dark Knight is overrated, but those are usually people who hate Batman in general. If you have anything close to a good taste in movies, you'd know that neither of these are overrated.

*end rant*

#16 Posted by god_spawn (30404 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt: Fade, tone the insults down please.

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#17 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (10342 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Neither.

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#18 Posted by Stormbox (1762 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Neither is overrated

#19 Posted by CaioTrubat (12000 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Mask of the Phantasm, really. I didn't see anything special in that movie.

#20 Posted by TheCannon (14192 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@CaioTrubat said:

Mask of the Phantasm, really. I didn't see anything special in that movie.

Glad I'm not the only one who sees it.

#21 Posted by KnightRise (3645 posts) - 4 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

#22 Edited by PurpleCandy (720 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

Deffidently the Dark Knight, though I wouldn't mind popping it on a bored Saturday night.

#23 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

I've never actually seen MOTP. I should correct that at the earliest.

#24 Posted by sinestro_GL (1369 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

Both Batman movies are incredibly overrated for some reason. Which is more overrated?
I'm torn. People say The Dark Knight is the greatest superhero movie ever (it's not even in the top 10). Mask of the Phantasm is no where near close to any Batman movie (though it's obviously better than Batman Forever and Batman & Robin). They say it's among the greatest.
Because of that, I'll say Mask of the Phantasm is more overrated. TDK had Heath Ledger Joker.

That's a pretty harsh poll...both films were great.

Quick question...do you like Batman, or do you not like him that much because there are too many fanboys (which I can understand).

#25 Posted by entropy_aegis (12319 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@CaioTrubat said:

Mask of the Phantasm, really. I didn't see anything special in that movie.

Well I first saw MOTP when I was 3 years old and the scene where Joker jokerizes the DA scared the crap out of me.

Oh and nothing tops the first time Bruce wore the mask,that scene is THE definite Batman moment for me,no other movie(and I loved the Nolan movies) or cartoon comes close to that.

#26 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

I've never actually seen MOTP. I should correct that at the earliest.

It was really good. One of Paul Dini's best Batman stories, imo.

#27 Posted by TheCannon (14192 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@sinestro_GL: I love the character of Batman. But I hate that there are way too many fanboys out there that never shut up about him. and I also hate how people overrate EVERYTHING Batman. Batman: the Animated Series (as awesome as it was) is overrated, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are overrated, Mask of the Phantasm if overrated (you can understand something like TDK, though there's nothing that special about MOTP) and I finally read the Killing Joke the other day. I liked it, though people act like it's the greatest piece of literature ever written. It's not. We finally get something Batman related that as awesome as people overrate everything else with The Dark Knight Rises, and people trash it. WHAT!?!?

Sorry for the long... essay.

#28 Posted by Manwhohaseverything (876 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

Between those 2 films..neither. Now The Avengers, with their "Not-at-all-a-threat" villain, to me, is way over-rated. But that is only my opinion.

#29 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (2607 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

I love Mask of the Fantasm, to me it's more of a true Batman film. Bats is one of my favorite characters in all of comics, only second to Spidey. With that said Nolan's Batman films are great action movies but in my eyes they are not great comic movies. There is hardly any semblance of Batman from the comics. I know Nolan went for a more realistic take, but that is why they are not as great in my eyes. Everyone has different likes an tastes so it's all opinion wether you think it's overated or not.

#30 Posted by nerdork (932 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@irmensul said:

All the Batman films..I think Batman forever was the best suit..obviously I didnt even watch the clooney one it was too painful but I nominate the Singer X men movies & Nolan movies as most over rated ..sorry

REALLY, even with...BAT-NIPPLES?

#31 Posted by SoA (3527 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

dark night (rises) , both of the films listed where very good batman films

#32 Posted by stumpy49er (595 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

Neither

#33 Posted by Jack Donaghy (352 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

A lot of these comments prove the movies are overrated.

The answer is The Avengers.

Seriously though your comment shows major butthurt over others having differing opinions, not shocked you made this thread btw you have a scary bias against the fictional character known as Batman.

#34 Posted by entropy_aegis (12319 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

@CitizenBane said:
I've never actually seen MOTP. I should correct that at the earliest.
It was really good. One of Paul Dini's best Batman stories, imo.

I think Dini gets a lot of undue credit for his work on TAS,his run on Detective and the Arkham games prove that it was Timm,Burnett,Romano and a whole cast of other people who barely receive any recognition whatsoever.He's good but somehow I doubt he could produce something like MOTP by himself.

#35 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@Gambit1024 said:
@CitizenBane said:
I've never actually seen MOTP. I should correct that at the earliest.
It was really good. One of Paul Dini's best Batman stories, imo.
I think Dini gets a lot of undue credit for his work on TAS,his run on Detective and the Arkham games prove that it was Timm,Burnett,Romano and a whole cast of other people who barely receive any recognition whatsoever.He's good but somehow I doubt he could produce something like MOTP by himself.

Well of course they all had important roles to fill (Timm, Conroy, etc.), but Dini gets the writing credits for most of those awesome TAS episodes and such. Not saying that those other guys aren't important-- they are, but Dini's my guy. The only characters he doesn't have a great grasp on are Bane and Hush, but his take on characters like Mr. Freeze and Penguin are fantastic.

#36 Edited by The Stegman (12924 posts) - 4 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

Neither, I like them both, overrated is a subjective term that is basically saying "I don't like this movie, but others do, so obviously I'm right and it's overrated."

#37 Posted by entropy_aegis (12319 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

@entropy_aegis said:
@Gambit1024 said:
@CitizenBane said:
I've never actually seen MOTP. I should correct that at the earliest.
It was really good. One of Paul Dini's best Batman stories, imo.
I think Dini gets a lot of undue credit for his work on TAS,his run on Detective and the Arkham games prove that it was Timm,Burnett,Romano and a whole cast of other people who barely receive any recognition whatsoever.He's good but somehow I doubt he could produce something like MOTP by himself.
Well of course they all had important roles to fill (Timm, Conroy, etc.), but Dini gets the writing credits for most of those awesome TAS episodes and such. Not saying that those other guys aren't important-- they are, but Dini's my guy. The only characters he doesn't have a great grasp on are Bane and Hush, but his take on characters like Mr. Freeze and Penguin are fantastic.

Hush? interesting,no single writer has written him as long as Dini.Bane I agree with.

#38 Posted by higher_evolutionary (2001 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

do we have to start a war, the man is just asking a question, but not even top 10 i mean really because 90% of comic books are from epic fail cgi garbage to decent at best,

any how i really didnt like mask of phantasm regretted every dollar i spent, it was very mediocre

#39 Posted by Moonchilde (1352 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@PurpleCandy said:

Deffidently the Dark Knight, though I wouldn't mind popping it on a bored Saturday night.

Guy that made that review losses the right to critique anything 30 seconds in when he said that he loved the Schumacher Batman movies.

#40 Edited by sinestro_GL (1369 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

@sinestro_GL: I love the character of Batman. But I hate that there are way too many fanboys out there that never shut up about him. and I also hate how people overrate EVERYTHING Batman. Batman: the Animated Series (as awesome as it was) is overrated, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are overrated, Mask of the Phantasm if overrated (you can understand something like TDK, though there's nothing that special about MOTP) and I finally read the Killing Joke the other day. I liked it, though people act like it's the greatest piece of literature ever written. It's not. We finally get something Batman related that as awesome as people overrate everything else with The Dark Knight Rises, and people trash it. WHAT!?!?
Sorry for the long... essay.

True. I was also slightly turned off by Batman because of those fanboys myself. I actually feel that Batman: TAS was superb and deserves all the credit that comes its way. I mean when you look at the production of each episode (with each episode of the original TAS having their own specially composed musical score), and that it set up the entire DCAU, it's by no means overrated.

With regards to 'The Killing Joke', I think people much such a huge fuss over it because...well, people are lazy to read. I mean unlike other stroy arcs, TKJ doesn't require reading hundreds of pages...

...and in my humble opinion, I also feel that TDK was the weakest of the three Nolan films.

#41 Posted by RedOwl_1 (1664 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

Overrating is a matter of opinion, when you think something doesn't deserve all the praise it gets. IMO any of these two films is overrated, both are beautiful movies.

#42 Posted by DarkKnightDetective (6665 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

@sinestro_GL: I love the character of Batman. But I hate that there are way too many fanboys out there that never shut up about him. and I also hate how people overrate EVERYTHING Batman. Batman: the Animated Series (as awesome as it was) is overrated, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are overrated, Mask of the Phantasm if overrated (you can understand something like TDK, though there's nothing that special about MOTP) and I finally read the Killing Joke the other day. I liked it, though people act like it's the greatest piece of literature ever written. It's not. We finally get something Batman related that as awesome as people overrate everything else with The Dark Knight Rises, and people trash it. WHAT!?!?
Sorry for the long... essay.

yeah and it's the same thing with the Avengers, so why aren't you b!tching about that?

#43 Posted by TheCannon (14192 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@DarkKnightDetective: The Avengers movie and cartoon gets all the acclaim it gets. And there are no major Avengers arc that anyone ever pushes so much.

#44 Posted by DarkKnightDetective (6665 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@TheCannon: so you are basically saying that The Avengers (the movie) isn't overrated with all the plot holes that it has and all the acclaim that it gets? right? biased much?

#45 Posted by TheCannon (14192 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@DarkKnightDetective: What plot holes?

And I'm biased by you're not?

#46 Posted by DarkKnightDetective (6665 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@TheCannon: How did Thor get back to Earth? How the professor conviniently found a way to close the portal, how the aliens died just like that, and why did they take Loki back to base? He clearly was planning something, otherwise why would he stay when they were fighting? and Loki was laughable, I mean the way he got thrashed by Hulk, it was just pathetic and made for comedic relief.

I never said that I didn't think that some Batman movies were overrated.

#47 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (2234 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

Just becuz something is damn good, doesn't mean it's overrated. DK was damn good.

#48 Posted by PurpleCandy (720 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@Moonchilde said:

@PurpleCandy said:
Deffidently the Dark Knight, though I wouldn't mind popping it on a bored Saturday night.
Guy that made that review losses the right to critique anything 30 seconds in when he said that he loved the Schumacher Batman movies.

LMFAO, he is pretty biased probably just a nostalgifag, have u ever watched the video before?

#49 Posted by TheCannon (14192 posts) - 4 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio