#1 Edited by oceanmaster21 (8690 posts) - - Show Bio

I have always in a one on one fight could a lantern put black Adam down or no or dose it depend on what lantern

#2 Posted by kgb725 (6440 posts) - - Show Bio

It has to be a powerful lantern

#3 Edited by lightsout (1831 posts) - - Show Bio

To just put up a fight, it would have to be along the lines of Parralax-Sinestro, Butcher-Atrocitus (maybe normal Atrocitus), Larfleeze, or WL Kyle.

#4 Posted by Juiceboks (10246 posts) - - Show Bio

A good amount of lanterns would be able to put down Teth if pre 52 feats are allowed. Some include John, Hal, Larfleeze, Atrocitus, Alan, Swamp Thing, Parallax Sinestro, Alan Scott, Black Hand.

#5 Posted by Joygirl (20135 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone with an Entity, Alan Scott, MAYBE Larfleeze. That's about it.

#6 Edited by Blackdog2009 (1873 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal Jordan. You guys are really downplaying green lanterns.

#7 Posted by lightsout (1831 posts) - - Show Bio

FWIW, I'm basing my answer on the fact that Captain Marvel (& by extension Black Adam) is fairly even with Superman (when logic trumps plot) - add in that Adam doesn't hold back 1 iota -- and Superman has often been shown to "easily" handle a single GL.

#8 Edited by Fallschirmjager (18750 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout: A large reason Lanterns beat Kryptonians also is do the fact that they can consctruct kryptonite

and After researching Black Adam extensively thanks to @joygirl ...I'd say the only one who has a chance to do it without an Entity is Larfleeze. (or Alan Scott starheart...but obvi)

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#10 Posted by lightsout (1831 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: the "also" makes it seem like I said the opposite - but I said Superman>>>>GL. Was making Kryptonite ever shown after COIE? (aka, not weird silver age mumbo jumbo). I was under the impression anything they make has the properties of the energy itself (like, they couldn't make food from it). (Aside from the unsaid ability to create oxygen or any other gas someone would need to breathe).

I think non-entity Atrocitus needs to at least be given a chance too, given that before he even created the RLC, he was able to give GL Sinestro & Hal some trouble (though I doubt would have ever "won") - that is, the species that he is is fairly powerful. (/It was huge PIS by Johns, lol. If anything the GL should have been way faster...unless GL don't have high combat speed? IDK, lol). So once you factor in having a ring & being the best at wielding the red energy, he'd be pretty damn strong.

#11 Posted by Fallschirmjager (18750 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout: Sorry. I must have mis-read your post. I keep jumping between the 6 tabs I have up :3

I'm not saying Superman can't ever beat Green Lantern. But I know at least Kyle has made Kryptonite with his ring and it was effective. Superman could beat them though if he was say morals off /bloodlusted and could speedblitz. But in character I think he'd lose (although this thread aint about that so...moving on)

The Atrocitus vs Black Adam discussion came up in another thread,(a big ass free for all) I originally thought Atrocitus would take him, but I've come around (thanks to @joygirl) as mentioned. I'm not saying it would be a murderstomp in Teth's favor. But I think he would take it (great/good fight though).

Larfleeze just has the best chance IMO, being the strongest non-entity, non-amped ring-slinger.

#12 Edited by lightsout (1831 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: No worries.

Oh yea? No pressure but I'd love to know the issue, lol. (Although it really wouldn't sway me much b/c it still sounds like Silver Age mumbo jumbo, lol).

Yea, I think BA would win too (for my original reason, saying he's Superman level), just trying to pimp Atrocitus a little (reluctantly, because I know some people are BIG on him (& I'm not) - but they had some facts to back it up (like that scene I described) so I had to come to terms with it, haha).

If I may devil's advocate against Larfleeze (not necessarily regarding fighting BA, but just his power-standing) - he may have a lot of "back-up" in all his creations (so versus 1 other being, it'd be like many lanterns vs that one person), but he might not be that powerful himself (relative to other lanterns). And if we may borrow from DBZ, even if the total power of a group of people is more than that of their foe - if none of them has the power to deal a significant blow to the foe, they won't win (to exaggerate the point, If individually Adam could shrug of each individually, it wouldn't matter how many were attacking).

I only have some reservations about "crowning" Larfleeze as so much more a threat than other lanterns, because the way I think about it, being the only one who taps into the orange battery just says (to me) that he has "unlimited" energy**. That he'd last a long time in a fight. But it doesn't mean the energy itself is any more powerful by nature. (Unless, Lanterns are able to "concentrate" their blasts/creations to different degrees. That if they had a larger than normal reserve, they'd be able to do it more often. In that case, yes I could see that making one very powerful (pretty much making Larfleeze an entity host too, since they pretty much just give you unlimited energy).....man, I wish my lantern-energy topic had taken off, haha)

**and that's assuming he never has to recharge (which his solo-title says...but that seems more like a joke-book to me. By that, shouldn't Atrocitus be able to never need a recharge b/c of his anger? Drifts away from the science-tone of the book).

#13 Posted by Joygirl (20135 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout: I am a huge Atrocitus/RLC fan, and he dies here. Bottom line is that he is neither fast nor durable enough to contend with Adam.

#14 Edited by Fallschirmjager (18750 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout: I will try to hunt down the issue/scan, but I'm fairly sure I remember him doing it ;)

#15 Posted by lightsout (1831 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl: I said I think BA would win....right at the beginning of the post ;)

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#18 Posted by Joygirl (20135 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout: It's all good puddinpop. Just givin' my reasons. I LOVE Atros and think it would be an awesome fight, but the bottom line is that he'll get hurt and Adam won't.

#19 Posted by lightsout (1831 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: Thanks man! (Very fast!) Wow...that is hokey, lol

@joygirl I know, & I agreed with 'em :). My original list/post was of people who could just put up a fight - rather than get easily dispatched like most standard lanterns would. I really don't think any of the mentioned people could straight-up beat Adam.

(Random Atros sidetrack) Do you think the time he encountered Martian Manhunter in the pages of Stormwatch was indicative of MM being cautious & not wanting to go all out, or of Atros being a fairly heavy hitter? (or perhaps a little of both if we're indecisive, lol)

#20 Posted by Joygirl (20135 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout: Insignificant sadly. The Stormwatch encounter was retconned (even though I still think it should be counted, since it wasn't like they knew it would get retconned when they wrote it so Atros's power level should be accurate). Playing along though, this is N52 J'onn who never holds back so I'd say it is a case of Atrocitus being a BAMF.

#21 Edited by ComicStooge (13731 posts) - - Show Bio

Kyle can take him, Hal can take him, possibly John Stewart, definitely Sodam Yat.

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#22 Edited by Joygirl (20135 posts) - - Show Bio
#23 Posted by Fallschirmjager (18750 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: J'onn is Martian Mahunter. John is Stewart.

White Lantern Kyle sure. Base Kyle No.

Entity Hal yes. Base hal No.

No.

derp.

which is basically what has been said in the thread, a few times now :p

#24 Posted by Saren (26014 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

@comicstooge: 1. Lolno, 2. lolno, 3. LOLNO, 4. obviously.

Really? Regular Sodam wins but Kyle doesn't? What exactly has Sodam ever done to put him above Kyle?

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#25 Posted by Saren (26014 posts) - - Show Bio

This thread makes exactly zero sense.

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#26 Posted by Joygirl (20135 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: Oh I thought he mean Ion Sodam. Normal Sodam might edge a majority due to his physicals. But it'd be a "just barely" kinda thing since, IIRC, Yat is a mediocre ringslinger.

#27 Edited by Saren (26014 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

@citizenbane: Oh I thought he mean Ion Sodam. Normal Sodam might edge a majority due to his physicals. But it'd be a "just barely" kinda thing since, IIRC, Yat is a mediocre ringslinger.

Ion Sodam's only feat is getting beaten like a dog by Prime for 22 pages. Normal Sodam has never done anything that Kyle hasn't.

For that matter, regular Kyle has better feats than Ion Sodam. Or Adam. When either one of them can one-shot planets and no-sell supernovas, I'll be dismissive of Kyle. Written properly, by which I don't mean Countdown, he'd hand Adam his backside on a silver platter.

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#28 Posted by WillPayton (9692 posts) - - Show Bio

Alan Scott yes. Hal, Kyle, John, or Guy... no.

#30 Edited by ComicStooge (13731 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane said:

@joygirl said:

@citizenbane: Oh I thought he mean Ion Sodam. Normal Sodam might edge a majority due to his physicals. But it'd be a "just barely" kinda thing since, IIRC, Yat is a mediocre ringslinger.

Ion Sadam's only feat is getting beaten like a dog by Prime for 22 pages. Normal Sadam has never done anything that Kyle hasn't.

For that matter, regular Kyle has better feats than Ion Sadam. Or Adam. When either one of them can one-shot planets and no-sell supernovas, I'll be dismissive of Kyle. Written properly, by which I don't mean Countdown, he'd hand Adam his backside on a silver platter.

For the record I did mean Ion Sodam. Sorry, should've made that clear.

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#31 Posted by ComicStooge (13731 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Lantern Kal-L could beat him and Black Lantern Martian Manhunter would stomp him.

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#32 Posted by SithLantern93 (2179 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

@citizenbane: Oh I thought he mean Ion Sodam. Normal Sodam might edge a majority due to his physicals. But it'd be a "just barely" kinda thing since, IIRC, Yat is a mediocre ringslinger.

Ion Sadam's only feat is getting beaten like a dog by Prime for 22 pages. Normal Sadam has never done anything that Kyle hasn't.

For that matter, regular Kyle has better feats than Ion Sadam. Or Adam. When either one of them can one-shot planets and no-sell supernovas, I'll be dismissive of Kyle. Written properly, by which I don't mean Countdown, he'd hand Adam his backside on a silver platter.

QFT. People really downplay Lantern when they are put up against Herald level beings.

#33 Posted by dondave (38780 posts) - - Show Bio

Most of them could, blow up the planet ftw

#34 Posted by lightsout (1831 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl: O_o..it was already? lol. In what title/issue? (I didn't read any Stormwatch after that issue).

#35 Posted by TommyJones1945 (751 posts) - - Show Bio

Guys like Atrocitus, Sinestro (preParallax), Hal, Kyle etc would give him hell, but yeah Im gonna go with the majority and say Black Adam; the guys just sooo OP. pre 52 anyways.

CIN.

#36 Posted by JwwProd (10294 posts) - - Show Bio
White Lantern Swamp Thing.