#1 Posted by Herokiller12344 (999 posts) - - Show Bio

I mean for God's sakes, I get that the new 52 is a reboot, but why do we have to get rid of designs that worked just fine before? Not everything needs to be "tweaked" and made to look more "modern".

I mean look at this. LOOK AT IT!

I'm sorry if I'm preaching to the choir or beating a dead horse, but this is just beyond frustrating.

#2 Posted by JetiiMitra (8628 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry if I'm preaching to the choir or beating a dead horse, but this is just beyond frustrating.

Yeah, just about.

To throw my 2 cents in, this is maybe the only redesign I don't like. And I'm actually okay with it. Deathstroke, I think, should maybe have less armor, but that's it.

#3 Posted by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

I blame Jim Lee man can't create an original design to save himself.

#4 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11591 posts) - - Show Bio

Even though this topic has been spoken about a lot, I do agree that the new Lobo look reboot is BS. Especially since he looks different on the Villains Month cover AND "he" is in StormWatch.

#5 Posted by dondave (37415 posts) - - Show Bio

If you don't like it don't read it, there are many other companies and books that would like your money

#6 Posted by danhimself (22547 posts) - - Show Bio

it's because DC's editorial has pi$$ed off all of their good writers and artists and they're scraping the bottom of the barrel these days

#7 Posted by Marionettegeist (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Maybe he likes the characters, and would like to read good stories featuring them?

#8 Posted by dondave (37415 posts) - - Show Bio

@dctv3363 said:

@dondave: Maybe he likes the characters, and would like to read good stories featuring them?

Then too bad

#9 Posted by Marionettegeist (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: So he doesn't have a right to complain?

#10 Posted by dondave (37415 posts) - - Show Bio

@dctv3363: Not really, Lobo is part of DC's franchise and they can do whatever they want with him, if you don't like the changes you don't have to read stories featuring him.

#11 Edited by Marionettegeist (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: True, but if you voice your complaints (in a civil way) it could lead to them changing the character he likes back, so that he can enjoy the stories again.

#12 Posted by danhimself (22547 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@dctv3363: Not really, Lobo is part of DC's franchise and they can do whatever they want with him, if you don't like the changes you don't have to read stories featuring him.

so it's not ok for him to complain about the redesigns but it is ok for you to complain about him complaining? makes sense

#13 Posted by SideburnGuru (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@dctv3363: Not really, Lobo is part of DC's franchise and they can do whatever they want with him, if you don't like the changes you don't have to read stories featuring him.

Really tired of these glad handing, yes-men.

"WHY YES DC. YOU DO WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE. I'LL STAY HERE AND TAKE IT."

Would you say it if they put Batman in a rainbow colored costume, that came included with a skirt?

#14 Edited by dondave (37415 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@dctv3363: Not really, Lobo is part of DC's franchise and they can do whatever they want with him, if you don't like the changes you don't have to read stories featuring him.

so it's not ok for him to complain about the redesigns but it is ok for you to complain about him complaining? makes sense

I didn't complain about him complaining, he can complain all he wants, but he shouldn't waste his time doing so, he should read something else if he doesn't like the changes

#15 Edited by dondave (37415 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@dctv3363: Not really, Lobo is part of DC's franchise and they can do whatever they want with him, if you don't like the changes you don't have to read stories featuring him.

Really tired of these glad handing, yes-men.

"WHY YES DC. YOU DO WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE. I'LL STAY HERE AND TAKE IT."

Would you say it if they put Batman in a rainbow colored costume, that came included with a skirt?

I'd stop reading him

#16 Posted by TekTheNinja (766 posts) - - Show Bio

if it was a new character and not lobo, i would have loved the design. BUT WHY CHANGE LOBO?!!!!

#17 Posted by Marionettegeist (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Personally I would complain, because if nobody complains about it DC might seriously think they made a good decision. I mean the best way to vote is with your wallet, but in less extreme cases I wouldn't doubt it if DC got the wrong idea about why the series is failing. They might blame it on the character not being popular vs. their stupid changes.

#18 Edited by Battle_Forum_Junkie (7996 posts) - - Show Bio

@sideburnguru said:

@dondave said:

@dctv3363: Not really, Lobo is part of DC's franchise and they can do whatever they want with him, if you don't like the changes you don't have to read stories featuring him.

Really tired of these glad handing, yes-men.

"WHY YES DC. YOU DO WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE. I'LL STAY HERE AND TAKE IT."

Would you say it if they put Batman in a rainbow colored costume, that came included with a skirt?

Well, if that did happen every single person on here would be complaining about it already, so there wouldn't be much of a point. :P

#19 Posted by Vance Astro (91233 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is how Lobo is going to look, they should just kill him off.

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#20 Posted by lightsout (1827 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is how Lobo is going to look, they should just kill him off.

#21 Edited by Blood_Red_Rage (508 posts) - - Show Bio

Part of Lobo's persona is his look. Considering the original idea behind his creation this new look does take away from that but if that is what they want to do they must have some reason for it. I figured how they put him in Stormwatch was going to be it.

#22 Posted by RulerOfThisUniverse (6335 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really get all the hate for it.

#23 Edited by Vance Astro (91233 posts) - - Show Bio

@blood_red_rage said:

Part of Lobo's persona is his look. Considering the original idea behind his creation this new look does take away from that but if that is what they want to do they must have some reason for it. I figured how they put him in Stormwatch was going to be it.

I agree with this and they had absolutely no reason to change it. New 52 is becoming "changes for the sake of changes".

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#24 Edited by ccraft (5266 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks good to me, but the writer has said that Lobo is going to look bigger than the concept design.

We'll just have to wait until the comic comes out.

#25 Posted by Marionettegeist (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with this and they had absolutely no reason to change it. New 52 is becoming "changes for the sake of changes".

#26 Posted by lightsout (1827 posts) - - Show Bio

@blood_red_rage: Agreed with the first part. Lobo was intended to be a parody of the 90's over the top anti-hero (it just happened that people didn't get that & loved him for it). Change that & he loses part of who he is.

#27 Posted by kgb725 (6440 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman did have a rainbow costume

#28 Posted by SupBatz (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

@ccraft said:

I actually kind of like this image. At least, I like it MUCH better than the depiction shown in the original post. Still doesn't look enough like Lobo for my tastes. But I find it easier to deal with here.

And while we're on the subject of faulty New 52 designs...
Two years later, I still haven't gotten over this -___-

#29 Posted by ccraft (5266 posts) - - Show Bio

@supbatz: I kinda like Harley's new 52, but it could have been waaaaay better designed.

#30 Posted by Blackdog2009 (1821 posts) - - Show Bio

That's nothing. What they did to the Creeper is criminal.

#31 Posted by Bierschneeman (3982 posts) - - Show Bio

it's because DC's editorial has pi$$ed off all of their good writers and artists and they're scraping the bottom of the barrel these days

yes, I mean, They just lost Rob Liefeld a while ago, that was their last good artist......*takes tongue, stabs cheek*

#32 Posted by Bierschneeman (3982 posts) - - Show Bio

@ccraft said:

Looks good to me, but the writer has said that Lobo is going to look bigger than the concept design.

We'll just have to wait until the comic comes out.

see, NOW THAT... looks awesome.... and it looks like Lobo to me, the concept art released from before, was really bad... but this is cool (and I feel like I won't just skip out on him for being overthetop cheese

#33 Posted by mightyrearranger (1587 posts) - - Show Bio

Where's he gonna keep all those weapons?! Now that Rob Liefeld's out of the company, pouches have to be pretty scarce in the DCU...

Also, off topic: is Shadow Thief a dude or has that been changed? The solo-issue cover this month features a female Shadow Thief, but during the Society's meeting in Forever Evil 1, it looked like the classic male Shadow Thief was attending. Anything I overlooked?

*btw, I'm ok with the new Harley and Creeper looks. I'm a huge fan of pre-52 Creeper, but I have to admit that issue or JL Dark was a good read and he was portrayed well in it regardless of the drastic changes.

#34 Posted by sinestro_GL (3152 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder what the character design they used on the cover is all about?

#35 Posted by mightyrearranger (1587 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder what the character design they used on the cover is all about?

It's his less-distinguished sibling, "Lo-bro"

#36 Posted by DecoyElite (4019 posts) - - Show Bio

TRON IS COOL YO!

#37 Posted by Husk (453 posts) - - Show Bio

@supbatz said:

@ccraft said:

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And while we're on the subject of faulty New 52 designs...

Two years later, I still haven't gotten over this -___-

is that the concept art for Suicide Squad??? looks more cartoonish than the comic

which version do you prefer for Harley Quinn? as her costume design changes often. (this is better than the Injustice version)

maybe we hould get @joygirl to comment on this picture, as I would trust her opinion on all things Harley Quinn above Anyone else

#38 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5216 posts) - - Show Bio

Some redesigns are pretty bleh, like that Lobo one.

I'm a fan of Flashes outfit being composed of a ton of metallic parts & Deadshot looks pretty fantastic.

#39 Posted by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@dctv3363: Not really, Lobo is part of DC's franchise and they can do whatever they want with him, if you don't like the changes you don't have to read stories featuring him.

It's this kind of attitude that lets companies get away with producing substandard material.

@herokiller12344: Ignore the "Durr, you can't say anything bad about the company!" folks, because they're full of crap. Freedom of Speech is a fully enshrined right and you have every right to bitch about decisions you see as questionable.

Mindlessly accepting everything lead to Hitler after all.

#40 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (5590 posts) - - Show Bio

Well it looks nice. But I don't think it'll sell well to established readers. But in any case maybe it'll work.

#41 Posted by eternalnature (364 posts) - - Show Bio

i really don't mind the costume changes. Its an improvement to me.

#42 Posted by Joygirl (19962 posts) - - Show Bio

@husk: Hm? Oh that design is godawful. Everyone knows that.

#43 Posted by SupBatz (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

@husk said:

@supbatz said:

@ccraft said:

.

And while we're on the subject of faulty New 52 designs...

Two years later, I still haven't gotten over this -___-

is that the concept art for Suicide Squad??? looks more cartoonish than the comic

which version do you prefer for Harley Quinn? as her costume design changes often. (this is better than the Injustice version)

maybe we hould get @joygirl to comment on this picture, as I would trust her opinion on all things Harley Quinn above Anyone else

It's a rendition of the Suicide Squad design drawn by Cameron Stewart on his Tumblr page: http://cameron-stewart.tumblr.com/post/17275488005/as-a-warm-up-before-work-this-morning-i-decided-to
I
t's not in a comic or anything like that, just something he drew for practice ^^.

Honestly, I don't think I'm too picky when it comes to Harley's design. I can roll with anything we've seen EXCEPT New 52 and the main Injustice version (though I am perfectly fine with her Injustice Insurgency design). I think my biggest turn-off is the permanently white skin and the dyed hair. I prefer if Harley is only wearing makeup and costume. That way we can see her plainclothes from time to time. Plus, I don't really feel that the New 52 design is a good representation of Harley as a character. It just doesn't look anything like her, in my eyes.

#44 Posted by Husk (453 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl: hmm, ok, I am not a fan of the pic, but I only like Harley a little.... I just wanted a more ....dedicated fan ......thank you

#45 Posted by SideburnGuru (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

@blood_red_rage said:

Part of Lobo's persona is his look. Considering the original idea behind his creation this new look does take away from that but if that is what they want to do they must have some reason for it. I figured how they put him in Stormwatch was going to be it.

I agree with this and they had absolutely no reason to change it. New 52 is becoming "changes for the sake of changes".

Pretty sure I never really came to agree with you, at any time. Pretty sure we debated over characters like twice.

I respect the hell out of you for saying this. Thank you, so damn much. This is what me, another comic fan, and the comic store owner around my area agreed on.

DC is changing things to change them, just because they can. There's no more benefitting it, and the only people at risk are the old fans, who DC has shown time and time again, they don't care about.

#46 Edited by Vance Astro (91233 posts) - - Show Bio

@sideburnguru said:

Pretty sure I never really came to agree with you, at any time. Pretty sure we debated over characters like twice.

There's a first time for everything :)

@sideburnguru said:

I respect the hell out of you for saying this. Thank you, so damn much. This is what me, another comic fan, and the comic store owner around my area agreed on.

DC is changing things to change them, just because they can. There's no more benefitting it, and the only people at risk are the old fans, who DC has shown time and time again, they don't care about.

With how much DC is doing to piss people off I can only imagine how much worse it's going to get. New 52 shouldn't have been a reboot. They came way too far to start over.

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#47 Posted by SideburnGuru (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

@sideburnguru said:

Pretty sure I never really came to agree with you, at any time. Pretty sure we debated over characters like twice.

There's a first time for everything :)

@sideburnguru said:

I respect the hell out of you for saying this. Thank you, so damn much. This is what me, another comic fan, and the comic store owner around my area agreed on.

DC is changing things to change them, just because they can. There's no more benefitting it, and the only people at risk are the old fans, who DC has shown time and time again, they don't care about.

With how much DC is doing to piss people off I can only imagine how much worse it's going to get. New 52 shouldn't have been a reboot. They came way to far to start over.

Damn right.

I honestly don't even know how well it did. I mean, I get it. At first it was to bring new readers in. At the same point, at what cost? At the expensve of every older reader? To spit in their face and rewrite history? It's just bad.