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#1 Posted by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

I for one think he would be more interesting as a character. And not because he would be attractive to men as a woman. But for the reasons stated below:

1. Imagine superman as female character, but with his same personality, along traits that fit a feminine perspective instead of a males. Basically you would have a dignified woman character like the original superman. The big difference would be how she would handle things. If written properly she wouldn't handle things like Superman would, if anything she would be prone to probably think over things and be anything but brash. She wouldn't be like Supergirl to say the least. She might even second guess even being a superhero.

2. Since she would be like a female superman, she would have black or really dark brown hair of course. No biggie. So long she is NOT supergirl.

3. This would seriously change ALL of supermans history on Earth. Who knows what would happen. But I think it would be interesting. Because as any guy should know, women have a perspective of things that men don't, which would seriously change things, given the power she would have. It would be funny to see her relationship with Lois, which would no longer be romantic but would likely begin to annoy her, given how many times she would have to save her.

So your thoughts ladies and gents. What do you think? I really think the fact that Superman being a woman instead would seriously change how other DC characters treated him, Earth too. Even his villains for that matter.

How would the doomsday fight go if Supes was a woman?

How would her relationship with Luthor go?

And how would her relationship with Earth go? Lois included?

#2 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (7670 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman?

#3 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

Raped by Doomsday for twenty pages straight as Millar had intended for wonder woman in the 90's?

#4 Posted by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio

She and wonder woman would become Bffs and she'd be the most powerful woman on earth. Lex would get his ass kicked by a woman a lot lol

#5 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33899 posts) - - Show Bio

Then he would be Superwoman

#6 Edited by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow (1394 posts) - - Show Bio

#7 Posted by russellmania77 (15667 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman would have a stalker

#8 Edited by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

@martyyy15:

Ha! Your saying that a woman would not be nearly as forgiving as a man would of Lex? Yeah... I have to agree with you on that. LOL. I mean Superman may have pity on Lex. But Superwoman would be turned off on so many levels, including the obvious one that Lex would probably want her for a girlfriend or wife (since he already considers himself a kind of superman).

I mean there must be a reason why there is a saying, "Hath no fury like a woman scorned." Uh, especially one with Superman's power level.

#9 Posted by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

@russellmania77:

LOL. Your saying Superwoman would have a crush on him? LOL. I suppose it's possible given that they are BFF's in the standard universe.

Ya think Bats would accept her as his girlfriend/wife?

#10 Posted by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio

@lorbo:

Haha maybe she would even lead him on then shoot him down. Another weapon for superwoman, shutting men down XD

#11 Posted by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

@martyyy15:

And finally Lex would have a legit reason for hating Supes OTHER than the fact of him being just jealous.

#12 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

“I pitched this to DC for a laugh years back. The idea was that, like Death of Superman, we had Rape of Wonder Woman; a twenty-two page rape scene that opened up into a gatefold at the end just like Superman did.”

Millar

and that will happen with superwoman and doomsday

#13 Posted by russellmania77 (15667 posts) - - Show Bio

@martyyy15: pshhhh she would be too attracted to batman's mysterious output

#14 Edited by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio

@lorbo:

Yup lol. I could prob see her undergoing amazon training like wonder woman as well. And ladies night out LOL Superwoman supergirl and wonder woman hahaa look out metropolis

#15 Posted by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio

@russellmania77:

not really. I think she'd be closer to wonder woman probably.

#16 Edited by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman would coat his Batcave with lead to keep Superwoman from spying on him. Even if they dated and married he would still carry a kryptonite ring on him.

They would have frequent arguments over that.

A typical argument would go like this:

Superwoman: "You don't trust ME? I have saved your butt so many times...

Batman: "It's because...

Superwoman: "Because of what?" (Superwoman's eyes are glowing red at this point, as this has been the upteenth argument)

Batman: "Because I'm BAT-MAN!

#17 Posted by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

@martyyy15:

Maybe. Bats and Supes relationship is tenuous at best. I'll bet the only person Bats does not actively have an agenda to hurt if need be is Alfred.

#18 Posted by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio

@lorbo:

HAHAHHAHAA OMG IMAGINE THAT TIME OF THE MONTH LEX IS SCREWED ( And most of metropolis too for that matter)

#19 Posted by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio

@lorbo:

you never know. He may become mind controlled and posion bruces tea

#20 Edited by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

@martyyy15:

Oooh that is hilarious. You can forget Superwoman being forgiving when it comes to villains.

Actually realistically. I think Superwoman's conscience would bother her after all the destruction she caused. She would hang up the cape until Bats decided to recruit her for some insane mission that he won't want to fight by himself. Since Bats is only human.

Someone needs to write this up as a elseworlds story.

Because really and truly, I don't think anyone has ever truly exploited what it means to be a woman with Superman power levels. Because Wonder Woman acts more like a tomboy than a woman anyway. Supergirl too. They never seem worry about that time of the month making them cranky.

#21 Posted by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

@martyyy15: In that case Supewoman would be subdued somehow via comic PIS. Otherwise Earth is doomed.

Man. Funny how changing Superman's sex literally seals DC Earth's fate almost LOL.

#22 Posted by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio

@lorbo:

It would be interesting indeed

#23 Posted by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio

@lorbo:

HAHAHHAHAHA Soo true.

#24 Posted by frogdog (3287 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

“I pitched this to DC for a laugh years back. The idea was that, like Death of Superman, we had Rape of Wonder Woman; a twenty-two page rape scene that opened up into a gatefold at the end just like Superman did.”

Millar

and that will happen with superwoman and doomsday

I can only image the sh**storm, if millar's idea got approved

#25 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogdog: Porn comix, rule 34 and fanfic crowd will be happy though

It must be drawn by Frank Cho

#26 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6419 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

@frogdog: Porn comix, rule 34 and fanfic crowd will be happy though

It must be drawn by Frank Cho

People would be happy to see her get raped for a whole issue?

#27 Edited by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

@v_scarlotte_rose:

Only perverts. Personally I don't find rape appealing. And yes I am a guy. Sex should be consensual, not forced upon anyone.

#28 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@v_scarlotte_rose: waste of pages actually, no need to make it canon but there are markets where people would be entertained. Try peeping at those sites, see what I mean.

But there are people who would be happy, or thrilled even.

#29 Edited by frogdog (3287 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

@frogdog: Porn comix, rule 34 and fanfic crowd will be happy though

It must be drawn by Frank Cho

People would be happy to see her get raped for a whole issue?

Aside from three websites mentioned, wonder woman getting raped would be a big PR disaster for DC

#30 Edited by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogdog: Not really, a great writer like Gail Simone can make it work

#31 Edited by RustyRoy (13243 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously why would her personality change? Maybe a little but not much. The only thing I see changing is :

  • Her relationship with her colleges especially Lois and Bruce. Lois will probably be more friendly with her, Jimmy will try to hit on her and I don't have any idea how Bruce will react but I don't think their relationship will change that much.
  • Lex will be more mad because he'll get owned by a girl every time.
  • She'll be the most powerful female hero replacing WW.
  • And she wouldn't be like WW and Supergirl. There personalities don't match.
#32 Edited by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6419 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogdog: @nerx: @lorbo: Yeah, I suppose there must be a few freaks out there who'd enjoy it.

#33 Posted by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx:

I dunno... 22 pages is a bit much. I think it would be a PR disaster. But not nearly as much as it would have been 40 years ago.

Times have changed so much that shocking things don't sting as much as they once did to the public consciousness.

#34 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@v_scarlotte_rose:

moore should not write it, or millar (he would be 'funny' about it)

it should be drawn by azarello or anka (since they don't sexualize things)

If they had ellis and gaiman as co-writers it can be groovy

#35 Edited by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio

@lorbo:


For your consensual sex comment

Batman approves

#36 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (10363 posts) - - Show Bio

Only one way that series could end: Super Batbabies

#37 Edited by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

@v_scarlotte_rose:

Not a few. Plenty. It would be just like porn. With the sole disturbing element to the public being that it is rape and not consensual.

If it was consensual it would still make the public aware but it wouldn't be as big a deal.

#38 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6419 posts) - - Show Bio

@lorbo: Isn't that a disturbing enough element to put most people off though?

#39 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@lorbo:

I dunno... 22 pages is a bit much. I think it would be a PR disaster. But not nearly as much as it would have been 40 years ago.

With rape culture and desensitization it would be buffered, but if done right it can be amazing. Also it depends on the crowd, if written of vertigo it can be good. They can take cue from Hentai mangaka/doujinshi artists, which also cover mainstream american comics (DC/Marvel).

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: batman is mr seahorse

#40 Posted by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx:

I'm sorry but are you defending RAPE??!?!! O_o

#41 Posted by danhimself (22624 posts) - - Show Bio

Jimmy Olsen is stuck in the Super Friend Zone

#42 Posted by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally I would find a Superwoman version of Superman FAR more interesting than Wonderwoman.

I mean both Supes and Wonderwoman are FAR too bland as characters. Making Superman a woman would definitely add spice to what is basically a dull predetermined character (don't attack me all at once fanboys).

A superwoman character would have restraint that wonderwoman does not have, and would not be so quick to engage in fist-a-cuffs with villains since woman are generally more compassionate than men anyway (wondy don't act all that feminine so she don't count). But if she got really mad all bets would be off.

Thus the saying, "Hell hath no fury... "

#43 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@martyyy15: Nope, just saying if handled correctly it can work

Like how sue dibny led to batman discovering zatanna and ollie leaving the JLA, it is bad stuff but it is a helpful writing tool.

#44 Posted by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

@v_scarlotte_rose:

Like I said, the culture is VERY desensitized.

For example, men that rape and kill children that go to jail can expect a rude welcome by their inmates. Possibly even death. Because that is something that even many criminals have a conscience about.

You rape a woman. What happens to you? Nothing. I have my sources, and know, I have not been to prison. I just have second hand knowledge of real person accounts.

#45 Edited by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx:

ohhh ok. You mean as a plot device. I get ya. Still not into just having female characters get raped to further the plot. Not without a good reason

#46 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6419 posts) - - Show Bio

@lorbo: I have heard that people that abuse children get treated badly in prison, but I didn't know people who rape adults got treated O.K.

I can't understand why there'd be a difference, rape is still bad, no matter what age the victim is.

#47 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@martyyy15: there is a thread dedicated to it and I have a growing list of it

Rape is like the new 'dead parents', e.g. black cat having that injected into her backdrop to make her more deep as a character. I say they ought to castrate/emasculate male characters too once in a while since death has lost its value.

#48 Posted by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio
#49 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@v_scarlotte_rose:

I can't understand why there'd be a difference, rape is still bad, no matter what age the victim is.

IRL it is a horrible crime which has drawn increasing media interest, in fiction it is debatable [some even use as outlets to prevent real crimes]

#50 Edited by lorbo (1541 posts) - - Show Bio

@v_scarlotte_rose:

I know how you feel and I agree. It's just porn has desensitized the masses along with the general slide in morality over the years.

The days of andy griffith and black and white TV and I Love Lucy are gone.

It's a brave new world out there.