#1 Posted by giantsfan576 (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

(Joker has access to Kryptonite and knows Superman is Clark Kent) How would Joker fare against the Man of Steel as well as his loved ones? How would Lex Luthor take down the Batman? He may try and figure out who Batman really is, if Hugo Strange can Luthor probably could. Lex still has LexCorp and all of his money. Keep in mind Joker keeps Batman around because he'd be nothing without him. Life would be boring without him. Lex keeps Superman around for more complicated reasons, perhaps to challenge himself. What would happen if Joker was out to kill/ruin the life (Injustice?) of Clark Kent? If Luthor was out to kill Batman?

#2 Posted by Bruxae (14922 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker would commit suicide without the bat around to give him purpose.

Luthor would probably end up taking Batman down and owning Gotham.

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#3 Edited by Joygirl (20795 posts) - - Show Bio

Without playing games, Joker slaughters Supes within a few weeks. Bruce blackmails Lex and ruins his corporation within a similar amount of time, leaving him penniless.

#4 Edited by jeanespinosa21 (250 posts) - - Show Bio

@bruxae: actually i think they would both lose their purpose. Luthor is not pure evil he's just extremely vain and jealous. Superman is what drives him to commit these horrible acts so take away superman and i don't think luthor would care about bats. Same goes for joker. Superman is amazing but i dont think he would be able to deal with jokers insanity. I dont think he can go down to that dark place like bats can in order to fight the joker. Truth those two villains need their heroes in order to function.

#5 Posted by kgb725 (7475 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker would kill Superman to make Batman come to Metropolis

#6 Posted by giantsfan576 (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@bruxae: @jeanespinosa21:

Lets assume they both are just on vacation. They both think they'll be going back to their usual lives in a month or so. What happens? They don't feel like they have no purpose.

#7 Posted by RustyRoy (14858 posts) - - Show Bio

It would be really awesome but you know at the end of the day Heroes will come out on top, Supes will beat Joker and Bats will own Luthor.

#8 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (6628 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Joker would screw Clark over before capture. Perry dies, Jimmy dies, Lois dies after being tortured. Superman will try and guess Jokers next move when Joker dosent even know what he is going to do.

I would love to see Batman vs Lex. Just the banter would be epic. This would be a comic that needs to be wordy. Lex would lose this one though.

#9 Posted by kasino (1814 posts) - - Show Bio

yea Supes has to many family/friend ends that really can't defend themselves.

Lex would be much more a challenge to Bruce Wayne to Batman. He'll more likely be the cooperate Black Mask.

#10 Posted by nightwing444 (314 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker kills Lois Lane? We know how well that goes.If Joker tries playing all his silly games with Superman, the Man of Steel goes berserk and rips his heart out.Joker's time at Metropolis will be short and end violently.

Luthor on the other hand is not one Batman's ridiculous themed villains.He isn't a psycho and he isn't interseted in competing with Batman in endless games of strength and will.He doesn't care if Batman operates or not .Luthor is a businessman first and foremost and if Batman tries to harm to many of his dealings , its not going to end too well for Bruce. If Luthor were really serious about taking him down, he would bankrupt Bruce , drag him out of the Manor and have him shot in a crowded street and no one would bat an eye

#11 Posted by SandMan_ (4581 posts) - - Show Bio

Injustice Gods Among Us happens.

#12 Edited by Guardian_of_Gravity (2990 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman puts Joker in a prison he can't escape from within a week.

A vault of Nth metal will do.

As for Bruce.

Lex is just smarter than Bruce is, I'm sorry Batfans.

#13 Edited by SandMan_ (4581 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Edited by Guardian_of_Gravity (2990 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandman_: True, although if Joker really pissed Superman off, he can ask Manchester Black and buddies what happens when Superman is legitimately angry.

Superman may not have a no kill policy, but he may make an exception with leaving you so broken that you'll be peeing out of a bag unable to speak for the rest of your life because the bones in your jaw are just dust contained by poorly healed muscle. .

Or he could just dump you on Pluto with no way back home in with a small living space.

#15 Posted by Battle_Forum_Junkie (10034 posts) - - Show Bio

why not just combine the two?

#16 Edited by Fallschirmjager (19571 posts) - - Show Bio

All I know is I get a little giddy imagining Joker with billions of dollars to spend on new toys. I can just see him now laughing his way around a warehouse full of expensive new goodies.

#17 Posted by kasino (1814 posts) - - Show Bio

Luthor destroying Bruce is laughable

he tried to take over Gotham, he's out of office, Batman told him to keep his sh*t out Gotham.

Lex doesn't mess with Bats for a clear reason.

#18 Edited by SandMan_ (4581 posts) - - Show Bio

@guardian_of_gravity: Angry Superman is not pretty.

Oh and Lex is smarter than Batman. The only reason he doesn't go after him, is because he ain't interested in him.

#19 Posted by Wolverine08 (47673 posts) - - Show Bio

Luthor is the smartest man in DC. Why wouldn't he be smarter than Batman?

#20 Posted by Wolverine08 (47673 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandman_:

Bruce isn't too far off from Luthor though.

#21 Edited by SandMan_ (4581 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Bruce is smart, but he ain't Lex Luthor. He still really smart though.

#22 Posted by Hawkguy (616 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker knows Superman is Clark Kent and about his weakness to kryptonite and someone said Supes puts him in jail??? That's funny...

Luthor is a brilliant man but Joker has a mind so twisted and crazy I don't think anyone could outthink him or be ready for what he has in store besides the world's greatest detective (even then, not so much). I also think that Joker could seriously break Clark's will and his internal strength, leaving him mentally and emotionally unstable.

Luthor and Bruce.... That's a tough one. I can't think of anything Batman could do to ruin Luthor, only what Bruce could do, but unfortunately I think Luthor would end up driving WayneTech into the ground.

#23 Posted by Guardian_of_Gravity (2990 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawkguy: Try reaching for Kryptonite against someone who can circle the earth over twenty times before you can blink. If he sees Joker reaching for something his vision is telling him is radioactive, Joker gets heat visioned somewhere painful.

Not to mention that Clark routinely beats Kryptonite based foes like Metallo and Kryptonite man.

#24 Posted by Hawkguy (616 posts) - - Show Bio

@guardian_of_gravity said:

@hawkguy: Try reaching for Kryptonite against someone who can circle the earth over twenty times before you can blink. If he sees Joker reaching for something his vision is telling him is radioactive, Joker gets heat visioned somewhere painful.

Not to mention that Clark routinely beats Kryptonite based foes like Metallo and Kryptonite man.

I doubt Joker would confront Clark in the open, without a hostage and without any traps... He surely wouldn't be standing by a desk with a stick of kryptonite on it.

#25 Posted by Pokeysteve (9014 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess beating Superboy to death with a crowbar isn't happening. Bummer.

#26 Posted by kasino (1814 posts) - - Show Bio

Lex knows "you let the Joker play"

#27 Edited by giantsfan576 (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightwing444 said:

Joker kills Lois Lane? We know how well that goes.If Joker tries playing all his silly games with Superman, the Man of Steel goes berserk and rips his heart out.Joker's time at Metropolis will be short and end violently.

Luthor on the other hand is not one Batman's ridiculous themed villains.He isn't a psycho and he isn't interseted in competing with Batman in endless games of strength and will.He doesn't care if Batman operates or not .Luthor is a businessman first and foremost and if Batman tries to harm to many of his dealings , its not going to end too well for Bruce. If Luthor were really serious about taking him down, he would bankrupt Bruce , drag him out of the Manor and have him shot in a crowded street and no one would bat an eye

Wayne Enterprises has bought LexCorp before. I don't see how that's possible.

#28 Posted by giantsfan576 (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawkguy: Try reaching for Kryptonite against someone who can circle the earth over twenty times before you can blink. If he sees Joker reaching for something his vision is telling him is radioactive, Joker gets heat visioned somewhere painful.

Not to mention that Clark routinely beats Kryptonite based foes like Metallo and Kryptonite man.

Yes and he wears a radiation suit to protect himself. Then this happens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sKSmFtYZ0k

#29 Posted by Squalleon (6004 posts) - - Show Bio

As much as the joker fans want to elevate him by saying that he is too unpredictable and crazy. This is not Batman we are talking about (and even if he was, if Batman put Joker as his top priority he could find him easily). This is a guy who can pinpoint an ant from space. Who can hear everything going on in the planet. Who can move faster than you can blink. JOKER enters THE PHANTOM ZONE within a week.

As for Luthor he may be smarter but Bruce has a stronger corporation and a clear criminal record.
I literally don't know who will beat who, I think Lex's shady past can make him an easy target but he is so brilliant that he still makes people trust him.

Anyway Both Joker and Luthor have been beaten by Superman and Batman respectively.

#30 Posted by giantsfan576 (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon: Look at the video in response to Guardian_of_Gravity. He beat Superman. Also just throwing it out there if Luthor wanted Superman dead he'd be dead. Luthor needs him. Jokers also had Batman in situations where he could kill him but he never would.

#31 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (6870 posts) - - Show Bio

Nothing significant, both are villains so they will always lose.

#32 Posted by Squalleon (6004 posts) - - Show Bio

@giantsfan576: Seriously the rediculous scene from World's finest, seriously?
This scene alone is sheer idiocy, superman can move faster than the acid from Joker's flower. Plus the DCAU is Batman centric which means that Batman and his villians have to look awesome in expence of others. The DCAU was so Batman centric that they had him being in a relationship with Barbara Gordon for god's sake.
And to end the conversation Superman beat a Joker with the powers of Mr. Mxyzptlk! Joker has come to metropolis multiple times in the comics and all of them Superman beat him.

#33 Posted by Immortal777 (8025 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker gets a one way ticket to the phantom zone.

Lex just kills Batman.

#34 Posted by giantsfan576 (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@immortal777: @squalleon:

Phantom zone is a fate WORSE than death. Why in the world would a man that doesn't kill do that to Joker? Also sqaulleon look up the opening scene to Injustice Gods Among Us. Joker destroyed Clarks city and everyone he cares about. Joker died laughing because he knew he won. He corrupted Superman so bad the whole world was negatively affected.

#35 Posted by MythiiC (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandman_ said:

Injustice Gods Among Us happens.

This is what I was thinking.

The only difference is Superman wouldn't be friends with Lex, however Bruce may be.

#36 Posted by Squalleon (6004 posts) - - Show Bio

@immortal777: @squalleon:

Phantom zone is a fate WORSE than death. Why in the world would a man that doesn't kill do that to Joker? Also sqaulleon look up the opening scene to Injustice Gods Among Us. Joker destroyed Clarks city and everyone he cares about. Joker died laughing because he knew he won. He corrupted Superman so bad the whole world was negatively affected.

In Injustice!
This is not the same Superman and not the same Joker. There are more differences here that you can see in first glance.
In comics Lois is always in trouble do you think that if she was pregnant(which in comics isn't possible for a kryptonian and a human) Superman wouldn't watch over her even a little?

#37 Posted by THEOCITYLEGEND (1406 posts) - - Show Bio

@bruxae said:

Joker would commit suicide without the bat around to give him purpose.

Luthor would probably end up taking Batman down and owning Gotham.

Really? He tried that in No Mans Land and he failed there.

#38 Edited by giantsfan576 (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon: If you read the prequel comics superman did extensively but as a distraction Harley Quinn killes Jimmy Olsen. Joker then lured superman to lois and fear gas laced with a little Kryptonite tricked superman into thinking Lois was Doomsday. Superman killed her and the nuke in metropolis was linked to Lois's hear beat. It was the ultimate crime pulled off by Joker quite easily. In fact Joker said he was tired of losing to Batman and wanted to "play on easy." This is because Clark is far more gullible and perhaps weak minded in terms of fear and mental toughness. Jokers no slouch dude.

#39 Posted by ViperKing (424 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this supposed to be a joke? The Joker is a villain to a human with gadgets. Lex Luthor is a villain to an alien that could destroy the Earth in seconds. Superman would take down the Joker with ease as Batman would struggle with taking on LexCorp's illegal deals.

#40 Edited by giantsfan576 (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@viperking: No this is not a joke. Joker has taken down superman or at least destroyed his world. Read my most recent comment to sqaulleon

#41 Posted by Jack Donaghy (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker gets a one way ticket to the phantom zone.

Lex just kills Batman.

Yeah because Batman would just stand there and let Lex kill him. People are really getting carried away with the whole Lex is the smartest man in the world thing. Which btw if Batman were people would call Batwanking (WAAAAHH WHY DOES BATMAN GET 2 B THE SMARTEST MAN IN THE WORLD!?!?) but it's fine when it's Lex for some reason. Lex is smarter sure but why is that a death sentence? Superman is actually smarter than Lex and has the HUGE power advantage but it's not a walk in the park when he faces Lex. .So why would Lex have it so easy against Batman? Put aside your irrational hatred for him and give him some credit he is one of the smartest men in the world. Besides in a h2h situation Bruce easily stomps Luthor in seconds, Lex needs prep to beat Bruce, Bruce even without it can just beat him up. People want to have it both ways with Batman, they want to complain that he's made to look too strong, too smart blah blah blah but on the other hand underestimate him and make him seem weak and useless. Is he BatGod or isn't he? If he is then Lex would NOT have an easy time against him and if he isn't why do people call him BatGod if his feats aren't all that impressive? If anything Lex is the one getting preferential treatment and "wanked to" but I hardly hear a complaint from anyone because it's not cool to hate on Lex like it is with Batman.

/rant.

#42 Posted by ViperKing (424 posts) - - Show Bio

@giantsfan576: You obviously don't know much about Lex Luthor. All of what you've said is completely non-canon. Therefore, they shouldn't be counted as feats nor can you base your assumptions on those comics. Also the Joker is a maniacal serial killer without a pattern. Lex Luthor has an army of highly trained soldiers at his side. He also blew up an entire planet without trouble. He's better at weapons design than Steel, time travel than Chronos, robotics than Will Magnus, cybernetics than Niles Caulder, solar energy than Bruce Gordan, and energy than Rampage. He equals Ray Palmer in physics, and Professor Ivo in cybernetics. In his power suit, he's taken on Larfleeze, defeated Brainiac, neutralized Firestorm, and taken down the Teen Titans. He's killed tens of thousands of Kryptonians, over 73,000, to be exact. He hands Kryptonian and Apokoliptian technology with ease. None of Batman's batarangs and smoke pellets are going to harm Lex Luthor in his warsuit. He can fight Superman to a standstill in it, what can Batman do? Batman dies, plain and simple, especially with a no-killing rule.

#43 Posted by Jack Donaghy (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

@giantsfan576: You obviously don't know much about Lex Luthor. All of what you've said is completely non-canon. Therefore, they shouldn't be counted as feats nor can you base your assumptions on those comics. Also the Joker is a maniacal serial killer without a pattern. Lex Luthor has an army of highly trained soldiers at his side. He also blew up an entire planet without trouble. He's better at weapons design than Steel, time travel than Chronos, robotics than Will Magnus, cybernetics than Niles Caulder, solar energy than Bruce Gordan, and energy than Rampage. He equals Ray Palmer in physics, and Professor Ivo in cybernetics. In his power suit, he's taken on Larfleeze, defeated Brainiac, neutralized Firestorm, and taken down the Teen Titans. He's killed tens of thousands of Kryptonians, over 73,000, to be exact. He hands Kryptonian and Apokoliptian technology with ease. None of Batman's batarangs and smoke pellets are going to harm Lex Luthor in his warsuit. He can fight Superman to a standstill in it, what can Batman do? Batman dies, plain and simple, especially with a no-killing rule.

Because Batman has nothing like the Insider Suit... downplaying Batman's abilities and playing up Lex's. Lex would win if he used his warsuit but what kind of victory is that? "Yeah I beat someone without powers in a suit that can stand up to Superman!" Anyone can do that, put a baby in a Iron Man suit and it would easily kill Mike Tyson, Lex NEEDS prep and soldiers to even make a fight between the 2 not in Batman's favor. Bruce doesn't need a suit to destroy Lex. And on a side note it sounds like Lex is #LexGod by those feats you just listed sure hope that phrase catches on.

#44 Edited by nightwing444 (314 posts) - - Show Bio

@giantsfan576: If Lex REALLY wanted to take down Batman he would use his suits.Simple as that.Also Lex is more ruthless, bought out Gotham in No Man's Land and is a much better businessman than Bruce.Wayne Enterprises has been around for nearly a hundred years in comics while Lexcorp was built from scratch in 10-15 years.Luthor just has Fox assassinated after which Wayne Industries has only one way to go:downhill.

When was the last time Bruce actually did any business? Other than failing miserably with Batman Inc?

Also you are still suggesting Joker would Pose ANY problem for Superman. Do NOT be foolish. If Joker starts killing the likes of Lois or Pa and Ma Kent, he's gonna start wishing he had stayed in Gotham with all the other freaks, playing dress up in Halloween costumes.After finishing up with that clown Superman just goes to Gotham and tells Bruce:

"Give it to me.You can tell them I took it by force .I'm gonna do what you shoulda did.Ten years ago.Give me the keys to Arkham."

#45 Posted by RustyRoy (14858 posts) - - Show Bio

@viperking: Bruce has built the Insider suit, Brother Eye, designed the JLA tower which was almost impossible to break into and had a self rebuilt fuction and many more features, deduced how to take down the JL members, made Darkseid to submit to his will, cracked Darkseid's codes, fought the White Martians and countless threats like those, survived Omega Sanction, outsmarted Luthor a couple of times, has teams like Batfamily, Batman Inc., The Outsiders, BoP (and JLs and countless allies) which can take down any military army Lex puts against him, IIRC he also is in possession of Kryptonian, Atlantian, Thanagarian etc techs, not to mention he had plans after plans to take out a threat even after his death. Out of all the Leaguers, he has always been the hardest one to be taken down or capture, he also been one of the hardest ones to kill. No killing rule doesn't matter, Lex can be defeated and contained, Bruce has outsmarted and defeated Lex before, same with Superman and Joker, Superman has defeated Joker too.

@guardian_of_gravity: Bruce outsmarted Lex many times. Not to mention he is a better strategist and Wayne Enterprise is a bigger and more powerful corporation than Lexcorp.

Anyways it will be cool to see if Batman and Superman switched their archenemies for a year or two IMO.

#46 Posted by ViperKing (424 posts) - - Show Bio

@jack_donaghy: So you're saying that Lex Luthor shouldn't use his suit because he'd easily defeat Batman? I accept your concession. Your analogy doesn't make sense because the baby didn't build that suit. Lex Luthor built all of his various suits so he can use them. I also can guarantee you that none of Batman's suits can match up to Lex Luthor's. Lex Luthor is a villain that uses prep because he's not a physical threat without his suits. Again, Batman doesn't have a suit to match up against Lex so he loses. If Batman tried messing with his operations, he wouldn't succeed. If Lex wanted to kill him, he'd die. You have no feats, no valid arguments, and have ignored all of his listed feats. Is mocking Lex Luthor the best argument you've got?

#47 Edited by Jack Donaghy (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

@viperking said:

@jack_donaghy: So you're saying that Lex Luthor shouldn't use his suit because he'd easily defeat Batman? I accept your concession. Your analogy doesn't make sense because the baby didn't build that suit. Lex Luthor built all of his various suits so he can use them. I also can guarantee you that none of Batman's suits can match up to Lex Luthor's. Lex Luthor is a villain that uses prep because he's not a physical threat without his suits. Again, Batman doesn't have a suit to match up against Lex so he loses. If Batman tried messing with his operations, he wouldn't succeed. If Lex wanted to kill him, he'd die. You have no feats, no valid arguments, and have ignored all of his listed feats. Is mocking Lex Luthor the best argument you've got?

No I'm just saying if Lex's tech is sooo much better than Batman's isn't this fight about as unfair as Batman vs Lex in a h2h fight? And is Lex even THAT much smarter than Bruce? Just because we know Lex is smarter doesn't mean it's by a huge margin. Also Dr. Doom has said The Leader is smarter than him but Doom has much better feats and would be picked by most people to win a prep battle between the 2. So intellect doesn't have much to do with it, it's like saying Einstein could easily kill Brock Lesnar because he's smarter. Plus like I said before Superman is smarter than Lex and struggles with him so why is it crazy to expect Lex to struggle with Batman (other than the fact you probably just personally want Lex to be able to beat him) And I'm not mocking Lex, you're actually proving a theory I've had. Lex has all these Mary Sue type of intelligence feats and is cartoonishly smart but no one complains if Batman had Lex's feats we'd NEVER hear the end of it.

#48 Posted by Squalleon (6004 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon: If you read the prequel comics superman did extensively but as a distraction Harley Quinn killes Jimmy Olsen. Joker then lured superman to lois and fear gas laced with a little Kryptonite tricked superman into thinking Lois was Doomsday. Superman killed her and the nuke in metropolis was linked to Lois's hear beat. It was the ultimate crime pulled off by Joker quite easily. In fact Joker said he was tired of losing to Batman and wanted to "play on easy." This is because Clark is far more gullible and perhaps weak minded in terms of fear and mental toughness. Jokers no slouch dude.

I know what happened on Injustice. That doesn't make it any less out of canon.
The whole Injustice series was written is a parallel universe, Luthor is friends with Superman for god's sake.
Don't bring it to the conversation injustice was a poor excuse of making Superman evil and Batman the Hero to make a game.
No matter what people think if Superman made Joker his top priority Joker would lose. He can't hide, he is not Luthor,he isn't Batman, he is dangerous but he can't hide from Superman. And even if he could Superman take him to a cell in less than a minute to avoid any of his traps and games.

#49 Posted by RustyRoy (14858 posts) - - Show Bio

The thing is almost every villain's feat is always amped before they face the hero, they are better at almost everything than the hero at first but at the end of day the villains are only good at one thing..... LOOSING.

#50 Posted by ComicStooge (16066 posts) - - Show Bio

Lex would probably have Joker assassinated for trying to steal the glory of killing Superman.