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#1 Edited by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

I read Jon Ronsons book "The Psychopath Test", where he spends a lot of time travelling the world, meeting psychiatrists, psychologists, criminal profilers, big time CEO's, conspiracy theorists, scientologists, and potential as well as confirmed psychopaths.

He armed himself with the "Bob Hare Checklist." This is a checklist of 20 characteristics a psychopath will show. They are meant to be things that the psychopath cannot help showing, because psychopaths by their nature are so manipulative and cunning that they can convince you they are perfectly normal. It takes a true professional to pick one out the crowd by using this checklist.

Anyway, without further ado, I'll show you guys the checklist, and you pick a fictional character and try to find out if they show these traits.

With each trait, you score the character either 0, 1 or 2. If they score a total of 30 out of 40 points, it means they are very high on the checklist and definitely a potential psychopath. Any higher than that and it's pretty certain.

Bob Hare Psychopath Checklist

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0/1/2

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 0/1/2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 0/1/2

4: Pathological lying - 0/1/2

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 0/1/2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 0/1/2

7: Shallow affect - 0/1/2

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 0/1/2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0/1/2

10: Poor behavioural controls - 0/1/2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0/1/2

12: Early behavioural problems - 0/1/2

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 0/1/2

14: Impulsivity - 0/1/2

15: Irresponsibility - 0/1/2

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 0/1/2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0/1/2

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0/1/2

19: Revocation of conditional release - 0/1/2

20: Criminal versatility - 0/1/2

So take a character and score them. I'll do a couple to get things started below.

Important

Do not use this checklist outside this thread.

I can't stress this enough. Don't try and use this checklist on real people you know. You and me are not experts, and trying to suss out if people are psychopaths without consulting a true professional can cause a lot of problems. You might call the wrong person a psycho, you might encounter a real one, you might just offend someone and get in trouble. Doing it to fictional characters is alright but don't try and apply this to the real world. You're just asking for trouble.

User Scores:

i_like_swords

Punisher

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 0

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 0

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 0

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 0

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 0

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 0

14: Impulsivity - 0

15: Irresponsibility - 0

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 1

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 0

20: Criminal versatility - 2

Total Score - 11/40 - Not a psychopath

Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 2

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 0

4: Pathological lying - 2

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 2

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 0

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 2

14: Impulsivity - 0

15: Irresponsibility - 0

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 0

20: Criminal versatility - 2

20/40 - Potential psychopath, but considering Bob Hare's checklist isn't tailored to those in the Star Wars universe it leaves some questions unanswered.

Deadpool

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 1

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 1

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 1

7: Shallow affect - 0

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 1

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 2

12: Early behavioural problems - 2

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 0

14: Impulsivity - 2

15: Irresponsibility - 2

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 1

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - 2

19: Revocation of conditional release - 1

20: Criminal versatility - 2

24/40 - Potential psychopath. Or, what Jon Ronson would call - a "Semi-Psychopath"

Deadpool isn't a full blown psychopath. He's shown compassion before. Despite the fact at times he lacks empathy or guilt, he still has those qualities, despite how hidden they might be. It wasn't to be unexpected Deadpool would score some points, but I didn't realize I'd score him this highly. Hell, maybe he is a psycho for all we know.

Wolverine08

Joker

1. Glibness/superficial charm: 2.

2. Grandiose sense of self worth: 1

3. Need to stimulation/proneness for boredom: 2

4. Pathological lying: 2

5. Cunning/manipulative: 2

6. Lack of remorse or guilt:2

7. Shallow affect: 2

8. Callous/Lack of empathy: 2

9. Parasitic lifestyle: 2

10. Poor behavior control: 2

11. Promiscuous sexual behavior: 0

12. Early behavior problems: 1

13. Lack of realistic long term goals: 2

14. Impulsiveness: 2

15. Irresponsibility: 2

16. Failure to accept responsibility for ones own actions: 2

17. Many short term relationships: 1

18. Juvenile delinquency: 0

19. Revocation of conditional release: 2

20. Criminal versatility: 2

Total score: 33. Joker aced the test. He's a psychopath

lightsout

Joker

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 0

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 2

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 1

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 2

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 0

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 2

14: Impulsivity - 2

15: Irresponsibility - 2

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 2

20: Criminal versatility - 2

So, a 27. A little surprised, frankly.

Lex Luthor

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 2

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 1

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 1

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 0

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 1

12: Early behavioural problems - 1

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 1 (assuming his "goals" involving Superman fall under this)

14: Impulsivity - 0

15: Irresponsibility - 0

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 1

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 1

20: Criminal versatility - 2

23...hmm, I thought he'd score higher. I just guessed at the youth-related ones because I'm not super familiar with stories of his youth or what was even the most current continuity regarding it (I know a wiki said he was born in suicide slums & killed both his parents, but I can't imagine that was current continuity).

The responsible/impulsive ones hurt him too. For the most part, Lex is very controlled.

comicstooge

Lex Luthor

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 2

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 1

4: Pathological lying - 1

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 1

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 0

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 1

12: Early behavioural problems - 1

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 1

14: Impulsivity - 0

15: Irresponsibility - 0

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 1

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 1

20: Criminal versatility - 2

22/40 - Potential psychopath

Denam_Pavel

Two Face

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 2

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 1

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 0

4: Pathological lying - 2

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 0

7: Shallow affect - 1

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 1

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 1

14: Impulsivity - 2

15: Irresponsibility - 2

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 2

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 0

20: Criminal versatility - 1

23/40 - Potential psychopath

Fallen_Crippled

Joker

1. Glibness/superficial charm - 1

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 2

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 2

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 2

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 1

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 2

14: Impulsivity - 2

15: Irresponsibility - 2

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 2

20: Criminal versatility - 2

32/40 - Psychopath, most likely.

SonOfHellstorm

Punisher

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 0

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 1. How many times has he agreed to spare someone for info, and turned around and killed him.

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 1. He can be. After Suicide Run, Frank took over a Mob Family (i believe it was for a year our time, in all 3 monthlies he had at the time). He made them go legit. But it was a ruse, to get in deeper, to kill more mobsters.

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 0

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 2. He lives off the criminals he kills. How do you think he funds his little operation? He not exactly the March of Dimes.

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - Unknown. We don't really don't know much about Frank's past, except that he was a soldier.

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 2. Key word "realistic" No way he's ever going to be able to kill all criminals. Someone will always take their place.

14: Impulsivity - 0

15: Irresponsibility - 0

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 1

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - Unknown.

19: Revocation of conditional release - NA

20: Criminal versatility - 2

My score: 17 out of 34.

Shows numerous psychopathic traits.

Prom3theus

Batman

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 0

4: Pathological lying - 2

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 1

7: Shallow affect - 0

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 0

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 2

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 0

14: Impulsivity - 0

15: Irresponsibility - 0

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 2

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 0

20: Criminal versatility - 2

Veshark

Moon Knight

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 0

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 0

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 0

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 1

7: Shallow affect - 0

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 0

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 1

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 2

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 1

14: Impulsivity - 1

15: Irresponsibility - 1

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 1

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 1

18: Juvenile delinquency - 1

19: Revocation of conditional release - 0

20: Criminal versatility - 2

Total Points - 12

Not a psychopath

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#2 Edited by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher.

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 0

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 0

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 0

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 0

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 0

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 0

14: Impulsivity - 0

15: Irresponsibility - 0

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 1

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 0

20: Criminal versatility - 2

Total Score - 11

This is higher than average, which is about 5. However, it doesn't mean Frank is a psychopath by any means. I'm not expert, but it doesn't look like he's a psycho.

Btw, if you don't understand what one of the terms mean let me know.. I didn't know what half of them meant till I finished the book.

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#3 Posted by Wolverine08 (38882 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher, Joker, and Carnage are names that come to mind.

#4 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher, Joker, and Carnage are names that come to mind.

I don't think Punisher is. He shows a lot of what psychologists call "Anti-social behaviour" that psychopaths show, but the cunning/manipulative side really is lacking. He's just really set in his views, I think.

Would you mind trying to score Joker on the checklist? I have a feeling he'd score really high.

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#5 Posted by Perethorn (3212 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadpool

#6 Edited by HumanRocket (7526 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage is the first one that pops into my head.

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#7 Edited by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious (Oh boy..)

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 2

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 0

4: Pathological lying - 2

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 2

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 0

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 2

14: Impulsivity - 0

15: Irresponsibility - 0

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 0

20: Criminal versatility - 2

Total - 20/40

@dccomicsrule2011 Maybe you could score Palpatine higher, since I'm not an expert on him.

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#8 Edited by lightsout (1823 posts) - - Show Bio

My guess at Joker's

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 0

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 2

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 1

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 2

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 0

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 2

14: Impulsivity - 2

15: Irresponsibility - 2

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 2

20: Criminal versatility - 2

So, a 27. A little surprised, frankly.

#9 Posted by Dark_Guyver (2295 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage immediately came to mind.

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#10 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout: I'd say you were pretty accurate there. I would probably have given him a 2 for "Glibness/superficial charm". Yeno, always smiling, always being jokey and playful as he's about to kill someone, laughing constantly. I'd say a lot of that is superficial. Possibly even "Grandiose sense of self-worth" - psychos with this trait litter their property with statues and monuments to themselves, wear nice clothes, that type of thing. Joker's always dressed well.. and the way he's treated Harley could be an indicator of this one as well. He's probably about a 27-32, which is very high.

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#11 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadpool

I wouldn't say he's a psycho. I'd say he has some kind of serious mental disorder, but not a psycho.

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#12 Edited by Battle_Forum_Junkie (7595 posts) - - Show Bio

Professor Pyg....

#13 Posted by Wolverine08 (38882 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker:

1. Glibness/superficial charm: 2.

2. Grandiose sense of self worth: 1

3. Need to stimulation/proneness for boredom: 2

4. Pathological lying: 2

5. Cunning/manipulative: 2

6. Lack of remorse or guilt:2

7. Shallow affect: 2

8. Callous/Lack of empathy: 2

9. Parasitic lifestyle: 2

10. Poor behavior control: 2

11. Promiscuous sexual behavior: 0

12. Early behavior problems: 1

13. Lack of realistic long term goals: 2

14. Impulsiveness: 2

15. Irresponsibility: 2

16. Failure to accept responsibility for ones own actions: 2

17. Many short term relationships: 1

18. Juvenile delinquency: 0

19. Revocation of conditional release: 2

20. Criminal versatility: 2

Total score: 33. Joker aced the test. He's a psychopath.

#14 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Posted by lightsout (1823 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords: Yea, I wasn't sure how to interpret some of them (had to google a few even, lol). Like the charm, I took that as it having to be effective (even if not genuine) - and Joker comes off (to sane people) as more terrifying than charming. (As opposed to say, Lex Luthor**, who puts on a charm that fools most people, even if he's really a scumbag). And for self-worth, I would think Joker doesn't really think he's better than everyone else. If anything I would argue his chaotic mind would say no one is worth much (...except Batman :p ).

**Oooo! Someone do Luthor! lol. IRL CEO-types are often higher on the scale than normal people (or so I've read), that's what allows them to succeed ("crushing opponents" & not caring, that sort of thing). I'm sure a CEO who's a legit super villain would score even higher. (He'd get a 2 on both ^those things, for sure).

#16 Edited by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Thanks, sounds about right. Although I'm curious, what made you give him a 2 for parasitic lifestyle?

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#17 Posted by Wolverine08 (38882 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Thanks, sounds about right. Although I'm curious, what made you give him a 2 for parasitic lifestyle?

A parasitic lifestyle is basically one where you live off of other people, and slowly destroy them in the process. Joker basically lives off of his "love" for Batman, and destroys his life, and even the people Bruce cares about because of this.

#18 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords: Yea, I wasn't sure how to interpret some of them (had to google a few even, lol). Like the charm, I took that as it having to be effective (even if not genuine) - and Joker comes off (to sane people) as more terrifying than charming. (As opposed to say, Lex Luthor**, who puts on a charm that fools most people, even if he's really a scumbag). And for self-worth, I would think Joker doesn't really think he's better than everyone else. If anything I would argue his chaotic mind would say no one is worth much (...except Batman :p ).

**Oooo! Someone do Luthor! lol. IRL CEO-types are often higher on the scale than normal people (or so I've read), that's what allows them to succeed ("crushing opponents" & not caring, that sort of thing). I'm sure a CEO who's a legit super villain would score even higher. (He'd get a 2 on both ^those things, for sure).

Ah, you're very right actually. Yeah, the charm thing might be there to freak people out rather than to fool them into liking him. And you're also right about the self-worth thing.

Yes, someone definitely should do Luthor. When I was reading the Psychopath Test, Ronson went into a lot of detail about CEO's and even met one at his own mansion. It was pretty terrifying for him. Apparently just short of 1% of our population are psychopaths, but you are 5 times more likely to find one in a high up position like CEO of a huge company, a politician, ect. Luthor is very probably a psychopath.

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#19 Edited by lightsout (1823 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: I also figured his criminal lifestyle played into it - that living off of things he steals (other people's $$, etc) is literally parasitic

#20 Edited by lightsout (1823 posts) - - Show Bio

Screw it, I'm gonna do Luthor, haha (edit coming)

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 2

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 1

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 1

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 0

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 1

12: Early behavioural problems - 1

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 1 (assuming his "goals" involving Superman fall under this)

14: Impulsivity - 0

15: Irresponsibility - 0

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 1

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 1

20: Criminal versatility - 2

23...hmm, I thought he'd score higher. I just guessed at the youth-related ones because I'm not super familiar with stories of his youth or what was even the most current continuity regarding it (I know a wiki said he was born in suicide slums & killed both his parents, but I can't imagine that was current continuity).

The responsible/impulsive ones hurt him too. For the most part, Lex is very controlled.

#21 Edited by Wolverine08 (38882 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: I also figured his criminal lifestyle played into it - that living off of things he steals (other people's $$, etc) is literally parasitic

Indeed. He really is like a parasite himself.

#22 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords said:

@wolverine08: Thanks, sounds about right. Although I'm curious, what made you give him a 2 for parasitic lifestyle?

A parasitic lifestyle is basically one where you live off of other people, and slowly destroy them in the process. Joker basically lives off of his "love" for Batman, and destroys his life, and even the people Bruce cares about because of this.

@wolverine08: I also figured his criminal lifestyle played into it - that living off of things he steals (other people's $$, etc) is literally parasitic

Very true. No surprise Joker was up there, lol.

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#23 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge You signed up for Lex Luthor on the callout book, so I figured you know him well. Could you possibly try and score him on the psychopath test?

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#24 Posted by AllStarSuperman (20229 posts) - - Show Bio

Chris Genovese from KickAss 2. The Mother Effer

#25 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

Screw it, I'm doing Deadpool.

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 1

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 1

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 1

7: Shallow affect - 0

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 1

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 2

12: Early behavioural problems - 2

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 0

14: Impulsivity - 2

15: Irresponsibility - 2

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 1

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - 2

19: Revocation of conditional release - 1

20: Criminal versatility - 2

24/40 - Potential psychopath. Or, what Jon Ronson would call - a "Semi-Psychopath"

Deadpool isn't a full blown psychopath. He's shown compassion before. Despite the fact at times he lacks empathy or guilt, he still has those qualities, despite how hidden they might be. It wasn't to be unexpected Deadpool would score some points, but I didn't realize I'd score him this highly. Hell, maybe he is a psycho for all we know.

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#26 Edited by ComicStooge (12044 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge You signed up for Lex Luthor on the callout book, so I figured you know him well. Could you possibly try and score him on the psychopath test?

Sure. I think you did a pretty good job, though.

#27 Posted by lightsout (1823 posts) - - Show Bio

Ah, you're very right actually. Yeah, the charm thing might be there to freak people out rather than to fool them into liking him. And you're also right about the self-worth thing.

Yes, someone definitely should do Luthor. When I was reading the Psychopath Test, Ronson went into a lot of detail about CEO's and even met one at his own mansion. It was pretty terrifying for him. Apparently just short of 1% of our population are psychopaths, but you are 5 times more likely to find one in a high up position like CEO of a huge company, a politician, ect. Luthor is very probably a psychopath.

Man, my alerts are on the fritz, I didn't even see this before or after I posted my Luthor one, lol. (And ended up making that same commentary on CEOs). That factoid almost shows why "normal people" would never run for a high office (like when people wish some very down to earth actor would, etc), because the people who desire to do things like that aren't good people, lol.

#28 Posted by ComicStooge (12044 posts) - - Show Bio

My personal evaluation of Lex:

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 2

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 1

4: Pathological lying - 1

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 1

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 0

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 1

12: Early behavioural problems - 1

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 1

14: Impulsivity - 0

15: Irresponsibility - 0

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 1

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 1

20: Criminal versatility - 2

I gave him a 22. Though,

#29 Posted by Denam_Pavel (147 posts) - - Show Bio

Two-Face

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 2

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 1

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 0

4: Pathological lying - 2

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 0

7: Shallow affect - 1

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 1

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 1

14: Impulsivity - 2

15: Irresponsibility - 2

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 2

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 0

20: Criminal versatility - 1

23 points although half of these are just part or being a lawyer so..

#30 Posted by Fallen_Crippled (6436 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker

1. Glibness/superficial charm - 1

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 2

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 2

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 2

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 1

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 2

14: Impulsivity - 2

15: Irresponsibility - 2

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 2

20: Criminal versatility - 2

32!!!!

#31 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

For some reason, Batman was one of the first people that came to mind for me.

#32 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords said:

Ah, you're very right actually. Yeah, the charm thing might be there to freak people out rather than to fool them into liking him. And you're also right about the self-worth thing.

Yes, someone definitely should do Luthor. When I was reading the Psychopath Test, Ronson went into a lot of detail about CEO's and even met one at his own mansion. It was pretty terrifying for him. Apparently just short of 1% of our population are psychopaths, but you are 5 times more likely to find one in a high up position like CEO of a huge company, a politician, ect. Luthor is very probably a psychopath.

Man, my alerts are on the fritz, I didn't even see this before or after I posted my Luthor one, lol. (And ended up making that same commentary on CEOs). That factoid almost shows why "normal people" would never run for a high office (like when people wish some very down to earth actor would, etc), because the people who desire to do things like that aren't good people, lol.

Yeah. It's weird. Like someone who's working class, providing for their family ect is more likely to be non-psychopathic than some big time CEO who enjoys laying off workers at huge rates, making loads of money, and having no concern or remorse for those around, only looking out for number 1. The characteristics of a psychopath are what society sometimes consider make for successful and influential people.

Having said that, I'm not saying everyone who does well is a psychopath. Psychopaths are in the very, very small majority everywhere. It's just important to be weary, and there are some in powerful positions.

If you're truly interested in the subject I'd recommend reading Jon Ronson's "The Psychopath Test". It's where I learned all of this. He spent years completely infatuated by the subject. And it shows that there are problems in society based on how we judge the mentally ill.

My personal evaluation of Lex:

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 2

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 1

4: Pathological lying - 1

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 1

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 0

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 1

12: Early behavioural problems - 1

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 1

14: Impulsivity - 0

15: Irresponsibility - 0

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 1

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 1

20: Criminal versatility - 2

I gave him a 22. Though,

Sounds pretty accurate. Thanks.

Two-Face

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 2

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 1

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 0

4: Pathological lying - 2

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 0

7: Shallow affect - 1

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 1

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 1

14: Impulsivity - 2

15: Irresponsibility - 2

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 2

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 0

20: Criminal versatility - 1

23 points although half of these are just part or being a lawyer so..

Two-Face is definitely an interesting one, nice.

Joker

1. Glibness/superficial charm - 1

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 2

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 2

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 2

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 2

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 1

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 2

14: Impulsivity - 2

15: Irresponsibility - 2

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - 0

19: Revocation of conditional release - 2

20: Criminal versatility - 2

32!!!!

I think we can all agree that Joker is pretty much.. a psycho. Always has been.

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#33 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

For some reason, Batman was one of the first people that came to mind for me.

I've been thinking about Batman. His relationship with Joker makes people think he must be insane. The problem is, he definitely shows a lot of empathy, and his no kill rule, and basically the positive sides of his character in general, make it impossible for him to be one. Being able to genuinely care for people isn't what a psychopath can do. A psychopath wouldn't go to their own childs funeral, for instance.

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#34 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

@norrinboltagonprime21 said:

For some reason, Batman was one of the first people that came to mind for me.

I've been thinking about Batman. His relationship with Joker makes people think he must be insane. The problem is, he definitely shows a lot of empathy, and his no kill rule, and basically the positive sides of his character in general, make it impossible for him to be one. Being able to genuinely care for people isn't what a psychopath can do. A psychopath wouldn't go to their own childs funeral, for instance.

I know he isn't entirely a psychopath, he does have some characteristics like a bad lifestyle, being cunning, and having trouble with relationships. These reasons are kinda the reason I thought of him first.

#35 Edited by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords said:

@norrinboltagonprime21 said:

For some reason, Batman was one of the first people that came to mind for me.

I've been thinking about Batman. His relationship with Joker makes people think he must be insane. The problem is, he definitely shows a lot of empathy, and his no kill rule, and basically the positive sides of his character in general, make it impossible for him to be one. Being able to genuinely care for people isn't what a psychopath can do. A psychopath wouldn't go to their own childs funeral, for instance.

I know he isn't entirely a psychopath, he does have some characteristics like a bad lifestyle, being cunning, and having trouble with relationships. These reasons are kinda the reason I thought of him first.

Maybe there's something obscurely disordered about him.. lol. He can't be all there, he's too obsessive.

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#36 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

@norrinboltagonprime21 said:

@i_like_swords said:

@norrinboltagonprime21 said:

For some reason, Batman was one of the first people that came to mind for me.

I've been thinking about Batman. His relationship with Joker makes people think he must be insane. The problem is, he definitely shows a lot of empathy, and his no kill rule, and basically the positive sides of his character in general, make it impossible for him to be one. Being able to genuinely care for people isn't what a psychopath can do. A psychopath wouldn't go to their own childs funeral, for instance.

I know he isn't entirely a psychopath, he does have some characteristics like a bad lifestyle, being cunning, and having trouble with relationships. These reasons are kinda the reason I thought of him first.

Maybe there's something obscurely disordered about him.. lol. He can't be all there, he's too obsessive.

I think their was a book published that actually analyzed the mental health of Batman. Its the answer to all our questions.

#37 Posted by ComicStooge (12044 posts) - - Show Bio

I just realized...Superman would probably get a 0 on all of these.

#38 Posted by ComicStooge (12044 posts) - - Show Bio

John Constantine would also be an interesting case.

#39 Posted by SonOfHellstorm (230 posts) - - Show Bio

Lex is a psychopath, no doubt about it. I think of the Joker as more of a sociopath. He has no empathy whatsoever. As for the Punisher, i guess it depends on who writes him.

The Punisher

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 0

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 1. How many times has he agreed to spare someone for info, and turned around and killed him.

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 1. He can be. After Suicide Run, Frank took over a Mob Family (i believe it was for a year our time, in all 3 monthlies he had at the time). He made them go legit. But it was a ruse, to get in deeper, to kill more mobsters.

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 2

7: Shallow affect - 0

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 2

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 2. He lives off the criminals he kills. How do you think he funds his little operation? He not exactly the March of Dimes.

10: Poor behavioural controls - 2

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - Unknown. We don't really don't know much about Frank's past, except that he was a soldier.

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 2. Key word "realistic" No way he's ever going to be able to kill all criminals. Someone will always take their place.

14: Impulsivity - 0

15: Irresponsibility - 0

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 1

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 0

18: Juvenile delinquency - Unknown.

19: Revocation of conditional release - NA

20: Criminal versatility - 2

My score: 17 out of 34.

#40 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: I checked.. he got a 0. Lol. That's so weird. Even the guy who made the checklist (Bob Hare) says that he himself scores a 5/40.

One day someone should let a psychopath make their own comic hero and book and have it published.

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#41 Edited by XxGin (1350 posts) - - Show Bio

Harley Quinn

#42 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords said:

@norrinboltagonprime21 said:

@i_like_swords said:

@norrinboltagonprime21 said:

For some reason, Batman was one of the first people that came to mind for me.

I've been thinking about Batman. His relationship with Joker makes people think he must be insane. The problem is, he definitely shows a lot of empathy, and his no kill rule, and basically the positive sides of his character in general, make it impossible for him to be one. Being able to genuinely care for people isn't what a psychopath can do. A psychopath wouldn't go to their own childs funeral, for instance.

I know he isn't entirely a psychopath, he does have some characteristics like a bad lifestyle, being cunning, and having trouble with relationships. These reasons are kinda the reason I thought of him first.

Maybe there's something obscurely disordered about him.. lol. He can't be all there, he's too obsessive.

I think their was a book published that actually analyzed the mental health of Batman. Its the answer to all our questions.

I'm going to go check that out. Could be interesting.

Lex is a psychopath, no doubt about it. I think of the Joker as more of a sociopath. He has no empathy whatsoever. As for the Punisher, i guess it depends on who writes him.

To be honest, the terms Psychopath and sociopath can be used interchangeably. They're more or less the same thing. Interesting analysis on Frank though, you raise some good points.

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#43 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

@xxgin said:

Harley Quinn

This is one that really interests me. Harley was a qualified psychiatrist before she went with Joker. They do extensive checks on your mental health before handing that job over to you. And apparently you don't "become" a psychopath, you just are. I don't think Harley could be one, at least not a full blown one. She obviously has some serious mental disorders. It also raises the question if she can be treated or not - since psychopaths can't be treated or helped.

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#44 Posted by lightsout (1823 posts) - - Show Bio

@xxgin said:

Harley Quinn

This is one that really interests me. Harley was a qualified psychiatrist before she went with Joker. They do extensive checks on your mental health before handing that job over to you. And apparently you don't "become" a psychopath, you just are. I don't think Harley could be one, at least not a full blown one. She obviously has some serious mental disorders. It also raises the question if she can be treated or not - since psychopaths can't be treated or helped.

Yea, so Joker's situation isn't technically possible (the questions related to being a troubled youth didn't really apply to him. If you didn't count them though he'd rank even higher, which lines up with how psychotic he is portrayed in the present).

#45 Edited by Marionettegeist (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

@sonofhellstorm said:

Lex is a psychopath, no doubt about it. I think of the Joker as more of a sociopath. He has no empathy whatsoever. As for the Punisher, i guess it depends on who writes him.

To be honest, the terms Psychopath and sociopath can be used interchangeably. They're more or less the same thing. Interesting analysis on Frank though, you raise some good points.

I thought the difference was Sociopath's are made Psychopath's are born like nature vs. nurture, not completely sure though.

#46 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Let's do Moon Knight! And as he turns out....he's not a psycho, and that makes sense, since he's less off his rocker than Punisher

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 0

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 0

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 0

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 1

7: Shallow affect - 0

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 0

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 1

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 2

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 1

14: Impulsivity - 1

15: Irresponsibility - 1

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 1

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 1

18: Juvenile delinquency - 1

19: Revocation of conditional release - 0

20: Criminal versatility - 2

Total points: 12

#47 Posted by Immortal777 (6944 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman could get a few.

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#48 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

@dctv3363 said:

@i_like_swords said:

@sonofhellstorm said:

Lex is a psychopath, no doubt about it. I think of the Joker as more of a sociopath. He has no empathy whatsoever. As for the Punisher, i guess it depends on who writes him.

To be honest, the terms Psychopath and sociopath can be used interchangeably. They're more or less the same thing. Interesting analysis on Frank though, you raise some good points.

I thought the difference was Sociopath's are made Psychopath's are born like nature vs. nurture, not completely sure though.

Maybe that's it then. I'm honestly not sure.. but then again, Psychopaths never look like psychopaths when they're young to the untrained eye. Maybe every sociopath is just a psychopath in disguise.. o.O.

@veshark said:

Let's do Moon Knight! And as he turns out....he's not a psycho, and that makes sense, since he's less off his rocker than Punisher

1: Glibness/superficial charm - 0

2: Grandiose sense of self-worth - 0

3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2

4: Pathological lying - 0

5: Cunning/Manipulative - 0

6: Lack of remorse or guilt - 1

7: Shallow affect - 0

8: Callous/Lack of empathy - 0

9: Parasitic lifestyle - 0

10: Poor behavioural controls - 1

11: Promiscuous sexual behaviour - 0

12: Early behavioural problems - 2

13: Lack of realistic long term goals - 1

14: Impulsivity - 1

15: Irresponsibility - 1

16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 1

17: Many short-terms marital relationships - 1

18: Juvenile delinquency - 1

19: Revocation of conditional release - 0

20: Criminal versatility - 2

Total points: 12

Good idea, Moon Knight's an interesting one. I don't think there's a lot of psychopathic vigilantes though. Psychopaths wouldn't think to try and help out another person unless it somehow furthered their own advancement.. but one thing is clear - most vigilantes have a little crazy in them.

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#49 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords

Yeah, MK is certainly a little off....even brutal in terms of him showing no remorse when he beats up criminals. But he's not really a psychopath because he does still display an extent of empathy and guilt.

#50 Posted by i_like_swords (13262 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark:

Yeah. It's human instinct that it's bad to cause other people harm. But when vigilantes get to the point where they have no qualms about not only hurting criminals, but doing it more brutally than necessary, you have a problem.

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