weak new 52

#1 Edited by cameron83 (2228 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

anyone else thinking that,compared to the pre new 52 universe,the justice league,and all characters linked with them are weak.Like darkseid,compared to the old 1 he's weak,in fact everyone (justice league) is really weak not only compared to their old counterparts,but compared to the new teams,such as stormwatch,the justice league is really weak....before i can easily say dc was beyond badass,and so was the justice league,darkseid,the crisis's,they were epic,and now i can barely say that the justice league is the most powerful team. I'll just go out and say it,stormwatch is more powerful than them IMO and compared to their old selves,the JLA,and their enemies,are lame (well graves is ok,but compared to the old ones,he is average).

I know that it is too early to say that,but go through their old counterparts,see their feats,especially batman,darkseid,wonder woman,and you'll see what i mean,and i don't even think they can take on stormwatch,or the wildc.a.t.s without PIS,and as lantern said,as much as i hate to say it,batman is useless. I mean,now the justice lords or crime syndicate don't even seem like a threat,it seems like they can be taken down by stormwatch or the wildcats alone,and yes i know their feats,they just seem like nothing compared to the old ones.

Does anyone else even agree,weak compared to the old ones,and what have they done with the teen titans,and for events like brightest day and blackest night,i loved those events,everything about them,but now,they'll just seem lame,dc just doesn't have the build-up that it used to have. Another thing,for example,look at all the old superman/batman team ups,now with this new one,we only heard about the team ups,but haven't seen any,,,,at least use that for the back story instead of shazam,it just seems like an easy/lazy plugin...their isn't even a buildup to make people seem like a threat,like the darkseid origin,just lame,not even a threat. (this may be difficult to read but the tv is distracting and cutting off my thoughts,and for some reason i like the tv on,but you should get a concept of what i am saying ((they don't seem like the old team,not as powerful as old team,not much buildup for team,stories,villains. Non deadly villains,weak compared to old counterparts,can't say that dc is as badass as it was before. Cannot say that they are the most powerful team...cannot even debate that,etc.))

#2 Posted by The Stegman (13730 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

Not weak, just young, the longer it goes on, the more feats we'll see.

#3 Posted by cameron83 (2228 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

@The Stegman: well they are still missing all of the feats,as i look at a flashback of the old universe,the old characters,i could easily say batman and the justice league,and darkseid would curbstomp midnighter and the stormwatch,etc...but now i can't,guess they just need buildup but they are still at a WAY too slow rate

#4 Posted by Jorgevy (4767 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

well, it basically went back. Everyone starts out weaker than they're supposed to be, with a few exceptions. the Justice League is probably in their mid 20s now, so just wait (I suppose they are in mid twenties, due to Action Comics and Wondie saying she was 23 recently)

#5 Posted by Duke_Nasty (1017 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

The characters will get more epic. Superman probably hadn't done jack at this point in the 1938 run so give it time.

#6 Edited by cameron83 (2228 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

@Jorgevy:SERIOUSLY 23,not even thousands,but still....but i guess you guys are right,but so far i see midnighter getting a much more better start than all of them,and it seems like midnighter and apollo are the new superman/batman team,but i guess time will tell

#7 Posted by The Stegman (13730 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio
@cameron83: Might wanna watch the language, it's frowned upon here. But anyway, I think the rate they're moving is pretty fine, I remember Superman is already easily lifting submarines in his title, and Flash seems to be just as fast as ever, that and most of the Green Lanterns, and Batman characters are more or less at the same level strength wise as before.
#8 Posted by Jorgevy (4767 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

@cameron83: they just need more time and bigger/more foes for feats. Also, Midnighter and Apollo just came out of the reboot from another universe, they need to assert themselves, so it's normal

#9 Posted by cameron83 (2228 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

maybe it's too early to tell,but they need to find a way to make them more epic than before,but again,too early to say that...but still,so i guess now it's like the beginning of school,you have to do the paperwork early in the year,than later in the year things get good,but i hope they are as epic as they were before,etc

#10 Posted by darth_brendroid (1717 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

The New 52 was DC's attempt to refocus its line and attract new readers. Continuity is seen as an impediment to that; too daunting for new readers to approach and such (so why they retained some continuity and rebooted others is anyone's guess; pleasing certain writer's seems the most logical that I've heard, though 'if it ain't broke' also seems likely). Another thing is characters being 'overpowered' which some think makes some DC heroes unrelatable, so making them 'weaker' makes them more relatable, right? Not to mention they're younger and less experienced and appearing weaker than Pre-52 seems more logical, at least if they're trying to attract new readers. Also; Superman's powers have been drawn back before to make him more 'relatable' (at least as early as Post-Crisis; I think some 70's writers also focused less on juggling planets and jazz too).

#11 Posted by cameron83 (2228 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

@darth_brendroid: THEY'VE DRAWN THEM BACK AGAIN,that seems stupid in my opinion,if they've drawn them back i am going to be angry,you wouldn't like me when i'm angry.........................................................................................

but i don't think they've drawn them back again,maybe in the past they did,but they better build it up and make it be more epic than it was last time,if there are new readers than they can get the 0 comics,but that is still no reason to hold back

#12 Edited by cameron83 (2228 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

and maybe it's still too early to tell,but maybe they should go young justice (i mean with the villains),maybe revamp the secret society of super villains,i mean come on,if they don't then i am quitting on dc,but they should since they said that they will do what they did last time,but just make a few different choices...just saying,it's too early to rant but i want it to be the old days where they are how they should be and things are all settled in,and they are epic and etc....but i guess they are settling in,but still,i want things to be the old way,but maybe a bit revised,but you get a concept of what i am talking about

#13 Posted by Z3RO180 (4083 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

i dount think DC have depowerd anyone but i do think it will be a little wait before we see any truely great feats.

#14 Posted by cameron83 (2228 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

but the way they are acting,and the way it looks like things are going,it's not going to be that way,,but i guess it's too early still,but the JLA don't even act like a team....in 1 issue green lantern was being a jerk and was yelling at (and looked like he was about to fight) batman,then batman took off his mask and told him his life story and identity,green lantern basically said i don't care,and turned him down again,batman ran off,then hal called him a moron..good issue! things just aren't the same,the characters should be the way they were before,but time will tell,if they are not like the way they were before,then it's just going to be lame...for example,what about vandal savage,and the secret society of super villains,etc........but i guess it's too early,i guess they are building things up,but if they are not building things up to be the way before,than i am going to be mad,but i guess they are building things up to be the way they were before (thank god!)..but still

#15 Edited by cameron83 (2228 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

i think they are building things up to the way they were supposed to be (the way things were before),they better! because i guess my stupid rambling is too early since they haven't even shown wally west,or raven,etc...guess their building things up so the characters,the villains,etc so they can be the way they were (before)...and their are still only 7 members in all to the justice league...LOL,i guess i am getting mad over nothing,i guess they are just building them up so they can be the way they were,like they said they would...for example,it looks like black hand is rising....so i guess i have nothing to worry about,it is too early to say,they are getting there,but soon they will get to be the way they were,just takes time since they are building them up...i hope they do,they better make things like they were before,but i think they will

EDIT: ok so i guess they are making things the way they were before,i think that right now they are just building up the characters,but they are going to make things the way they were before i'm guessing,because they did say they were going to make things the way they were before,for example: i'm hoping batman has made contingency plans to take down the JLA,i hope they make tower of babel,and where is prometheus (too early to complain,in order to build up i think it's obvious everyone cannot appear at once,even with new characters,but they better have the old characters be the way they were before,like cheshire and roy,lian harper,etc....but based on what they said i'm guessing they are,they are just building them up for now,and it is still too early to rant,guess they are just building them up.)

#16 Posted by Z3RO180 (4083 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

@cameron83: ithink by the time the trinity war starts i guess we will see some cool stuff

#17 Posted by cameron83 (2228 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

@Z3RO180: we better,i'm just hoping that dc will do what they said and in time i will see what i want but for now i guess it's still too early,but i hope we get to see the old threats even better,like vandal savage,lex luthor,etc...i hope helspont is not going to exceed them or anything like that,but the secret society of sv should appear....but again,they said they are going to make things like the way they were,but i guess for now they are just building things up,but i just want IT NOW

#18 Edited by cameron83 (2228 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

but at some point soon they should get to how they are in young justice,and put in things like rann and etc....but again,all the signs,even their age points to them being too young and things just starting,but just saying...they should sooner than later become actual team members rather than rival frenemies,but again,all signs (age,only 7 members in total) point to their universe being too early,guess i'm just rushing it,but still....bring on the society/secret society of super villains/the light....and again many old characters,even iconic ones haven't even shown up yet so i guess i am over exaggerating,but eventually they will get there....just building up to get there,BUT PLEASE make dc the premier team again

************************IN short: let's put it this way,as long as things get to how their supposed to be,(the way things were before),than i'm fine

#19 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3900 posts) - 10 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

@Duke_Nasty said:

The characters will get more epic. Superman probably hadn't done jack at this point in the 1938 run so give it time.

I agree there.

#20 Posted by They Killed Cap! (2243 posts) - 10 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

NOt a fan of the new 52...

#21 Posted by joshuagamer (611 posts) - 10 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

i do think they will get better, but they are pathetic at the moment. That is why when anyone on comiccvine talks about a dc character, they're always talking about the pre-new 52 version (it's automatically assumed)

#22 Posted by sinestro_GL (1597 posts) - 10 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

To be very fair...the new 52 is not even a year old yet, and the previous continuity spanned over a couple of decades. Give it time :)

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