Was Batman #35 the best moment of just "yes....."

Nothing tops All Star batman calling Dick retarded

I am glad that you enjoyed it.

OTH, from what I have see, that was garbage. God, I was loving Snyder's run too. This is why no other JL'er should be in a Batman comic. Batman barely makes sense by being in the JL, heaven forbid him having to fight them.

Sigh, thought we were done with BatGod. He is the worst incarnation of Batman IMO.

He did much worse than that.

wait joker venom can affect god's now? I mean wonder woman is a god unless it's bruce that is affected cause dang this was some pis.

technically a demi-god, but still yeah gonna need more than regular venom.

I am hoping to god this is still some nightmare or Bruce is still drugged from Scarecrow. The whole scene were PIS incarnated.

Well, IDK. I kind of agree with how it went down. He gave them minimal view with the fog, and Snyder did make a point that the League was not fighting at their best, what with the reference to Wonder Woman fighting sluggishly for normal self, and the plan he had in place for Flash was only accounting for a "Not at optimum speeds" Flash. They went on further to make a note that Batman "Didn't process what happened until after it was done". Then Aquaman? He didn't give him time to do much. No idea where Shazam/Luthor/Captain Cold were on that one though.

It's not like this is the first time something like this happened. Pre-52, Joker infect most of the planet, if anyone remembers that, going as far as to infect New Gods.

The only people who are upset are the ones who are butthurt watching Batman slap the League around (while they're not fighting 100%).

Even then, Superman ended up trouncing Bruce anyways. The issue was awesome, Top 5 for Snyder's run IMHO.

Primebonnick

might want to add spoilers, just in case someone hasn't read it.

Nah man she is full on god now that she killed ares she is demi no more.

oh your right lol well for the sake of plot then.

right thanks you know i comment on these things thinking everyone who is viewing already had read the issue lol.

Eh, that is slightly plausible but at their worst they would have plenty of time to kick his butt. I mean, are we forgetting reaction time? Whether they are not at their best, their reaction>>>>>>>>>>>>batmans. Heck, the computer program might have worked if it for people like WW or Aquaman but the flash??? Nope, sorry, I am NOT buying that.

But hey, people are loving the issue so whatever. Not gonna ruin my day. I just miss batman where he could have trouble fighting a very large group of thugs...

What happened?

@aquaman01: They were under influence, and he did say Flash was not doing his best. For all we know, the JL was walking into his fists, trying to fight off whatever had them.

Jimmy Olsen Batman? lol

BTW, wasn't Batman at Apokolips last I checked?

No, that is just a title. She is now technically the "God of War" as she has his powers. You can't become a god, you have to be born one. To be a God, say Apollo has to have sex with Strife and her child would be a God.

@aquaman01: of course you can become a God same way gods can be mortal too. Still better we not get into this thats for a different thread.

Batman really shouldn't be slapping anyone around, who is in the Justice League.

I don't think anyone is "butthurt," (that's a phrase I wish was never thought up.)

If anything, I think people are more disappointed.

Horrid, 2nd grade writing does not a good comic make

Yeah, I love the issue and all but they kinda made Batman go into god mode how he kinda took out Flash, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman like in less than a minute

It was like the whole Snyder run good but not that great. It is tipical Snyder stuff.

@nickthedevil:

It's not like this is the first time something like this happened. Pre-52, Joker infect most of the planet, if anyone remembers that, going as far as to infect New Gods.

That arc was considered PIS back then which was why it was the only thing Diredrill quoted when using the Joker, it was also mixed with a metagene inhibitor found at the prison, a plot that only took off because they had a character with the same powers as the bloody Resurrection Man in with the non-powered.

Also most of the characters where just floating in the background, the writer probably didn't care who they where.

I hated it..... sigh.....

I thought it was freakin awesome!! Not so much the jl aspect as the return of the Joker. I'm really excited of the idea of an unhinged Joker going all out against Batman. This seems to be the magnum opus of Joker's many master plots and schemes. I thought Snyder's characterization of Joker in Death of the Family was great and I'm looking forward of what Snyder's going to do with him in this story arc.

In Snyder I trust!

I'm a big Batman fan, and admittedly haven't read the issue yet, but I'm always wary when they have him go against JL guys or that tier of threat. It just feels forced or contrived most times, because it makes no sense really. I'll withhold judgment till I read it though.

I don't know because I have to wait for it to come out on trade.

@silverpool:

@granitesoldier: Wow that's very fair of you. Reading the book before providing an opinion, I can appreciate that. I will say if you've been enjoying Snyder's batman run overall you will probably enjoy this issue. If you're one of the people that weren't particularly fond of Snyder's slow, meticulously paced stories you'll like that the story starts off with a bang, and it is really exciting. There was one moment were I really had to suspend my disbelief but it did not really detract from the quality of the story. It was a great set-up arc, but if you want an explanation of why JL attacked Batman you will be disappointed, and we will not know till the next issue. It does show you who's behind it but that's it. I'm sure we'll learn more and it will be great because Snyder is very heavy on prose which for the most part i really like haha ;)

The way he took down Aquaman was just inconsistant and embarrassing. He's strong enough to lift buildings and send Superman flying back with one punch but he can't break out of foam?

@batcat91: Court/Night of Owls was good. Death of the Family was good as well, but the ending felt somewhat anticlimactic for an arc that leading up to it was so good. Zero Year, in it's entirety, was fantastic. Riddler hasn't been written that well in...hell I can't remember.

I'm looking forward to Endgame, I am just approaching with trepidation haha.

All the people complaining about "BatGod" wouldn't be saying anything if Captain America did the same thing...

I dont understand the title of this thread.

Yeah and thats not inconsistent and embarrassing at all.

Look on the bright side,no Cyborg.

@entropy_aegis: Very good point

Yeah that's not true at all, and you need to stop with this whole "if Captain America did this, Doctor Doom did that, if Black Panther did this" because that is not a legitimate counter to those who criticize the notion of "BatGod".

Actually it is,I dont see similar reactions when those characters do the same things.

@entropy_aegis: Aquaman should be strong enough to do that to Superman. I'm not saying he can beat Superman because that would be impossible. It just seems like you're trying to an argument based on your snarky comment.

That's not really true, nearly half of the famous inhabitants of Olympus are born of Zeus and mortal women, including Apollo, Artemis and Dionysus. And so is Diana now. If your perception was true, then some of the only 'true gods' of Olympus would be Ares and Hephaestus, since most of the others are either Titan-born (fully or partly), Titans themselves or products of mating with humans.

Why should he be strong enough to do that? what's his excuse for all that strength when he spent nearly 2 decades as a street level character,it was only about 10 years ago he got a considerable strength bump,and it was the new-52 that put him in Superman's weight class.

@entropy_aegis: I'm talking about New 52 Aquaman. I'm not talking about previous carnations.

While I do agree with the two others (though I think it's just an accepted part of Doom's character).

I don't recall Cap ever knocking Thor around.

New-52 Batman can hang with these supers now,if you can accept Aquaman,I see no reason to not accept Batman.

I'll find scans,he has knocked Thor around.

@entropy_aegis: Well if he has, allow me to take a dump on it.

@entropy_aegis: Forget it. You're not understanding. Cap knocking around Thor already sounds like BS. I don't need to see a scan for that one.

Why? It's true. People always zero in on what they think are PIS feats only when it comes to Batman and ignore it with other characters. Doom surviving attacks from the Beyonder is probably a bigger PIS feat than anything Batman's ever done but Doom never gets crap for it. I was watching Avengers Assemble yesterday and they had Cap taking hits from Thanos, he even kicked him and caused a little pain after Thanos was no selling the combined efforts of Hulk and Thor. If Batman had done the same to Darkseid people would never stop complaining about it but Cap not surprisingly gets a pass. People always whine about DCAU Batman but cartoon Cap has just as many PIS feats as him.You can deny it all you want but it's true being extremely popular has put a target on Batman's back and gets him criticism people like Cap and Doom never get.

@jack_donaghy: Consider this though.

Batman is a peak-human that has showings of taking down people far above his weight class. Superman and Wonder Woman for example. Yet, we actually have this discussion. Because at that point, Batman should no longer be considered a human. If they would just suck it up and admit Batman is a Meta like he probably should be at this point, that would be a whole different story.

The reason why Cap probably doesn't get this kind of flack is because he's a Super Soldier. He's expected to do things a regular man simply shouldn't be able to do no matter how much he's trained, (unless you're MVP, but we know how that went, and even then it was a life-long commitment.)

Doom doesn't get this kind of flack because he's a villain. He's not going to really win when this is all over. If he breaks the rules a little, it's fine. It's not like it's going to help him in the long run. If by some miracle, he pulls off the victory that's cool, but don't expect it to last terribly long before something blows up in his face.

Batman, under no real circumstance, should be able to tag Flash or take down a Wonder Woman or Aquaman, because as good as he is, he's only human. And I get it, that's what makes him special and everything, human potential and whatnot. That's all well and fine, but there has to be some place where you draw the line between Human and Superhuman.

My thoughts, anyway.

It was awesome but I have seen better.

Some of it was lazy and in those places the fanboy truly showed through.

Now that I read it.

Definitely more Batgod and Joker bullcrap.

Let me put it into simple terms, let's say you get caught cheating on a test and your defense is "Well I saw 3 other people do it, why don't you catch them", would that be a legitimate defense to get you off the hook for cheating, no, you still cheated. In this case the events in Batman #35 Endgame unless it's a hallucination is still pointless fan-wanking that humiliates most of the JL in order to make Batman look good. It doesn't matter if other characters did it before, character-wanking is still stupid.

I was actually really annoyed by the whole thing at first. But after a second look I don't see this a triumph for bat god but rather a human trying his hardest to defend against his friends. Realistically batman knew that there was something wrong with the JL and new that half his countermeasures might fail. The only reason he escaped certain death was because the JL wasn't fighting at full strength. And even though he was able to defeat three of them he knew that one of their heavy hitters, namely superman, would be able to bring him down in ten seconds flat. In addition he wasn't arrogant or overconfident in his abilities as he admitted that he was terrified. So really I saw this as a man desperately trying to save his friends from a psychopath. Yes, it can be considered low balling for the other leaguers but Snyder made it clear that this was a downplayed JL.