Yes I realize this has been done before but over time opinions change and characters change also, so instead of bumping an outdated thread I created a new one... I want your top ten according to skill earth base martial artists with exception of val who we can all agree is number 1.... If I should just bump old thread then that is cool,, I will do that...
top ten according to martial arts skill, dc and marvel
In terms of skill my top picks would be
Iron Fist
Wolverine
Black Panther
Batman
Lady Shiva
Batgirl (Cassandra)
These aren't in any particular order mind you, just throwing them out there.
When it comes to super strength
Wonder woman
Orion
Superman
Human strength
Black panther
Batman
Wolverine
that wasnt asked tho....
@elmohump: ok I meant if you combined them... and no val... mine would be. And tim drake???david cain doesn't have any feats....
1. iron fist
2. lady shiva
3. tchalla
4. wolverine
5. Cassandra cain
6. Richard Dragon
7. shang chi
8. promethus and taskmaster
9. matt murdock
10. slade wilson
all subject to change with various input,,,
my top 3
aunt may
alfred
jarvis
This.
And Howard The Duck, Master in Quack-Fu.
howard was awesome in guardians of the galaxy haha
- Ironfist
- Wonder Woman
- Black Panther
- Lady Shiva
- Mister X
- Wolverine
- Slade Wilson
- Batman
- Richard Dragon
- Shang Chi
howard was awesome in guardians of the galaxy haha
I didn't saw it ^^ but there is an old movie with Howard
lol,, yeah that movie was eighties at its best... I saw that at the movies... that's how old I am lol..
1. Batman One Million
2. Karate Kid
3. Lady Shiva
4. Batman
5. Cassandra Cain
6. Richard Dragon
7. Deathstroke
8. Dick Grayson
9. Tim Drake
10. David Cain
Agree with this. Though I'd place Bats above Shiva.
- Ares (DC) due to his mastery of every martial art in history
- Wonder Woman
- Karate Kid
- Iron Fist
- Lady Shiva
- Drakon
- Black Panther
- Batman
- Richard Dragon
- Shang Chi
Batman would curbstomp Ares if no powers were allowed.
- Ares (DC) due to his mastery of every martial art in history
- Wonder Woman
- Karate Kid
- Iron Fist
- Lady Shiva
- Drakon
- Black Panther
- Batman
- Richard Dragon
- Shang Chi
Batman would curbstomp Ares if no powers were allowed.
I guess I'd agree.
- Karate Kid
- Iron Fist
- Cassandra Cain
- Lady Shiva
- Shang Chi
- The Sensei
- Constantine Drakon
- Bronze Tiger
- Black Panther
- Batman
Are these all current? I.e. new 52? If so then characters like Bronze Tiger, Connor Hawke, Cassandra Cain, etc would all miss out despite probably being top ten in pre-52.
1. Karate Kid
2. Lady Shiva
3. Taskmaster
4. Iron Fist
5. Batman
6. Cassandra Cain
7. Bronze Tiger
8. Deathstroke
9. Jason Todd
10. Damian Wayne
@cresshadow: I know I was naming people with super strength and fighting skills not people who I think are strong
In no particular order:
- Iron Fist
- Black Panther
- Batman
- Black Canary
- Taskmaster
- Lady Shiva
- Cassandra Cain
- Captain America
- Deathstroke
- Daredevil
1. Mantis (@jashro44) should be able to confirm that Mantis beat Black Panther and T'challa never laid a hand on her
I don't remember this. In Avengers 123 iron man, scarlet witch and black panther tried restraining her and she tossed them away (I assume using skill). Thor also tried the page before and she somehow managed to hurt vision and also tossed him and thor as well. To be fair though they weren't trying to hurt mantis and were only trying to restrain her. I agree Mantis would beat black panther pretty easily in hand to hand though.
I do have a few disagreements with your list but I think gamora should be rated lower. Bucky recently held his own against her just fine in fear itself. To my knowledge she hasn't fought any other skilled fighters aside from wolverine who she never beat (he got in a cheap shot granted). She also has some beyond street level stats under some writers.
@serrure: I just went through my issues and thats not black panther. Thats Midnight Sun. Avengers 132 and avengers giant sized #3.
1. Mantis (@jashro44) should be able to confirm that Mantis beat Black Panther and T'challa never laid a hand on her
I don't remember this. In Avengers 123 iron man, scarlet witch and black panther tried restraining her and she tossed them away (I assume using skill). Thor also tried the page before and she somehow managed to hurt vision and also tossed him and thor as well. To be fair though they weren't trying to hurt mantis and were only trying to restrain her. I agree Mantis would beat black panther pretty easily in hand to hand though.
I do have a few disagreements with your list but I think gamora should be rated lower. Bucky recently held his own against her just fine in fear itself. To my knowledge she hasn't fought any other skilled fighters aside from wolverine who she never beat (he got in a cheap shot granted). She also has some beyond street level stats under some writers.
I don't know about that but Mantis is certainly better than Karnak in hand-tohand if that helps in asserting her skill level?
1. Mantis (@jashro44) should be able to confirm that Mantis beat Black Panther and T'challa never laid a hand on her
I don't remember this. In Avengers 123 iron man, scarlet witch and black panther tried restraining her and she tossed them away (I assume using skill). Thor also tried the page before and she somehow managed to hurt vision and also tossed him and thor as well. To be fair though they weren't trying to hurt mantis and were only trying to restrain her. I agree Mantis would beat black panther pretty easily in hand to hand though.
I do have a few disagreements with your list but I think gamora should be rated lower. Bucky recently held his own against her just fine in fear itself. To my knowledge she hasn't fought any other skilled fighters aside from wolverine who she never beat (he got in a cheap shot granted). She also has some beyond street level stats under some writers.
I don't know about that but Mantis is certainly better than Karnak in hand-tohand if that helps in asserting her skill level?
I see mantis as a much better version of Karnak. She has his ridiculous pressure point feats but she is basically undefeated in martial arts aside from some blind guy that had the same training as her IIRC. As much as I like T'challa he isn't beating mantis without tech.....
In no order
Black Panther
Iron Fist
Batman
Cassandra Cain
Wolverine
Shang Chi
Taskmaster
Lady Shiva
Deadpool
Bronze Tiger
- Ares (DC) due to his mastery of every martial art in history
- Wonder Woman
- Karate Kid
- Iron Fist
- Lady Shiva
- Drakon
- Black Panther
- Batman
- Richard Dragon
- Shang Chi
Nice list! I like the Ares pick. I think Drakon and Black Panther being above Batman and Richard Dragon is silly, but overall I like your list. :)
@elmohump: ok I meant if you combined them... and no val... mine would be. And tim drake???david cain doesn't have any feats....
1. iron fist
2. lady shiva
3. tchalla
4. wolverine
5. Cassandra cain
6. Richard Dragon
7. shang chi
8. promethus and taskmaster
9. matt murdock
10. slade wilson
all subject to change with various input,,,
How is Wolverine a top 10 martial artist and above Batman and Cassie? And Prometheus has been taken down by Batman no? And Batman One Million's not on the list? lol.
I didn't include the one million on my list.... I wasn't including val either because we can all agree he is number 1.... Cass in my opinion is more about body reading than pure skill but wouldn't have a problem with her flip flopping with logan.... As far as bats goes, he is around 15 - 20 on my list... I would put others like ben turner, drakon,and hawke(altho he is debatable). I would place bats in the area of Captain America... I also wanted just earth base heros and not Gods which is why ares, gamora or WW isn't on my list...
batman one million, karate kid, majestic, shiva, mantis, bronze tiger, laira omoto, gamora, richard dragon, batman
1. Batman One Million
2. Karate Kid
3. Lady Shiva
4. Batman
5. Cassandra Cain
6. Richard Dragon
7. Deathstroke
8. Dick Grayson
9. Tim Drake
10. David Cain
Mostly agreed.
Quick question. Why are so many lists DC only? I'm pretty sure the OP wants to know who the best Martial Artists are out of Marvel AND DC.
@testament: Because DC has more skilled martial artists over all by general knowledge.
- Batman One Million
- Karate Kid
- Lady Shiva
- Batman
- Wolverine
- Black Panther
- Iron Fist
- Cassandra Cain
- Richard Dragon
- Bronze Tiger
Yeah, I think this is what I'm going with for now. It's almost always a crapshoot between the bottom half of the list for me; anyone of them could rank higher or lower depending on the day. Top half of the list is pretty static though.
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