Tony Stark vs Bruce wayne, in a game of Chess

@erik:

Not really. Reed is not nearly as good a strategist as batman. Replace batman with Richards and his rouges would have a field day. Joker will probably catch and kill him or mr freeze will kill him or many other villains could do the same. The city would fall. Because he isn't as good of a straight, detective or as a field agent. Also stale mating Ra's who has played chess for hundreds of years is bett than losing to tony stark.

This

@lone_wolf_and_cub:

Not this. He beats cosmics with crappy tactics and OP weapons. Give batman and reed a knife and tell them to hunt deer using only the knife you know who's gonna be the first one back. OP weaponry makes reed look good, batman outsmarted, out thought, outplayed darkseid to kill him and to avoid the full universe destroying OE.

@clownprinceofcrime1995: Yes, that. What in the hell does hunting a deer with a knife have to do with chess? Besides, Reed would be back long before Batman would be. To say otherwise is to be a blatant fanboy. Not that this is in question anyway. You are over-hyping his Darkseid feat by a wide margin. I'm surprised you didn't roll out how beating the Joker means he can beat anyone because the Joker doesn't think conventionally. Reed can run calculations (I.E. chess moves) instantly. He would be able to sort out all the possible ways a game could go in moments and even if he got stuck or it was too much for his brain to handle, he could reshape his brain to make it easily possible for him. It's nice that you love Batman. Congratulations on being such a fan. But you are arguing from a position of extreme ignorance. It seems like you have never read a comic featuring Reed in your entire life.

@erik:

Chess isn't all about maths. Equations aren't infallible and they're are several equations for the same setup.

The point is reed can't dream up some special chess invention so he loses. He lost to stark for gods sake. Reed is booksmart. Booksmart doesn't come into chess

I am literally in awe by the absurdity of this post.

@erik:

Stop being a fanboy and realise any tactically minded cagarcter can beat reed at chess. You could be the stupidest man alive and be chess #1. Batman, Stark, deathstroke, green arrow, martian Manhunter, superman and captain America could all beat reed

You just acted like losing to Stark is a bad thing and said because you think Batman can kill a deer with a knife, he can beat Reed Richards in a game of chess. I think it is obvious who is the fanboy in this thread.

Now you are downplaying Reed's ability in a pathetically desperate attempt to make Batman seem more likely to win. It is the saddest display of fanboyism I have seen in months.

@erik:

Was an example that batman is a better tactical mind. Give me one example where reed legitimately outmanoeuvred a genius + character without the aid of specialised weaponry.

Hmmmm.... A bit ironic that you are posing this requirement on me, considering that it's Batman's M.O. but fine. Fights against Dr. Doom, Zola, Arno, Crucible, Galactus himself (without threatening to use the Ultimate Nullifier), and the list goes on. Most of Reed's enemies are high-order geniuses. Any one of them would have several examples Reed beating them without "specialized weaponry".

FYI, I don't even like Reed. You sure you want to keep running with that fanboy accusation?

@erik:

All those fights are with weapons a idiot could use to beat the enemy

@clownprinceofcrime1995: Reed deals with the likes of Galactus, Doom, Kang, Namor, Skrulls, Annihilus etc. Batman deals with Joker, Penquin, Riddler and Mr Freeze etc. While Batmans playing checkers Reeds playing chess while simultaneously whooping cosmic threats and stomping Bats in both chess and checkers.

@lone_wolf_and_cub:

For a start batman beat Ra's al Ghul who has played the game for centuries.

Reed didn't outsmart them he used weapons he built before hand! Batman beats all his opponents with SE reed has no SE. Therefore batman is much better than reed in tactics

@clownprinceofcrime1995:

Is you?

@veshark:

Sorry dude, couldn't find any more for this particular chess battle. According to http://thebatmanuniverse.net/comic/comic-blog/image-of-the-day-61/

Just for kicks: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Comicbook/RasAlGhul

@pikachumonster If that's the chess game in question, I'm doubtful whether the actual match remains canon or not. As I understand it, Son of the Demon was an Elseworlds tale, and Morrison's run in particular seems to have made it null and void.

@erik That's this fellow's M.O. 'Fanboy' is just a synonym for 'person whose opinion I can't counter with logic' in his vocabulary. Best to ignore him.

Here's some ABC logic Tony beat Richards in chess before and we know Richards>Bruce in IQ lvl, so if Tony beat someone who is>batman IQ lvl then Tony must be>>Bruce IQ lvl. So since Tony is obviously way smarter than bruce in IQ lvl than he effortlessly defeats bruce in chess with his eyes closed.

I don't think tony takes this. So I go with Batman for the Win.

@veshark: I'm surprised to hear that batman beat ras in the first place, I'm not sure how many times they've played chess either lol. Anyway the thought of Bane or Joker beating Ras at chess, is hilarious XD.

@pikachumonster:

To be fair joker is insanely intelligent and his random tactics could confuse many a people.

If people believe intelligence = good at chess they have to conced that tony stark is greatly more intelligent that reed Richards and if they refuse to believe that the batman beats both tony and reed.

Bruce...Tony relies on his genius too much, trash talks the entire hour of prep and through the course of the game. Bruce just watches and is 20 moves ahead of him at all times. Seeing he is about to lose, Tony arms himself with the chess board which he converted into a suit during the course of the game. After the dressing is complete he turns to face his opponent but Bruce has vanished without a trace...because he's Batman!

@t_hench:

Except when stark turns around batman is now superman and he pimp slaps him across the room.

Batman. Chess is a game that focuses on strategy and patience, something Batman has a lot of. Simply being smart doesn't mean your going to be good at it. As for the feat of Stark beating Richards, does Reed have any significant chess feats or is everyone just assuming he's good at it because he's smart?

I'd probably say Bruce, although Stark can take a few. I notice a lot of people are talking about strategy in this thread. Any chess expert will tell you that chess is based on thinking 30 steps ahead, something that characters like Batman and Deathstroke excel at over guys like Stark and Reed.

Tao completed schools all of them though :D

Well Reed has done his fair share of outsmarting. Like with the Marquis of Death. But then again Clyde was beaten more via plot than anything else. With Abraxis he had to use the Ultimate Nullifer.

You could make the argument that Reed does face more cosmic enemies (debatable since Batman is on the Justice League and they fight more than their fair share of cosmic opponents) but Reed's solution usually comes to building something where Batman's solution is usually to use an opponents weakness against them.

One of the biggest examples was how he convinced Composite Superman to commit suicide.

Not even sure why Reed is being discussed here. Someone mentions it and this turns into Reed vs Bats in Chess.

Bruce Wayne's IQ has never even been stated in the comics. Some people claim that it's 192 but they confuse it with Ted Kords IQ which was stated to be 192 in Countdown to Infinite Crisis.

That said IQ is a bit silly to discuss when it comes to overall intelligence. Deathstroke most likely doesn't have a higher IQ than Bats Reed or Tony but would probably beat them in chess.

@odamabaine:

The 90% brain thing would be like 9 x his own IQ which shouldve been pretty good therefore would be around 1000 or 900 minimum.

Anyway tactics > smarts in chess hence bats wins

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@odamabaine:

What? DS has 90% brain capacity compared to other peoples 13%. Use 10 % for easy math and 100 iQ for average intelligence and boom 900. Obviously I'd expect DS to be at least 140

Well Bruce is a better tactician, so he wins.