Surely Thor's speed has to be = to his reactional speed or he would just end up crashing everywhere?
Thor vs Superman Debate Breakdown
@isaac_clarke said:
Honestly, who cares anymore about Thor vs pre-52 Superman? Superman's been rebooted and Thor can likely beat the tar out of him.
Why can't people be happy with that?
QFT
@The_Thunderer said:
Surely Thor's speed has to be = to his reactional speed or he would just end up crashing everywhere?
Mjolnir is the one that travels as amazing speeds, knowing exactly where it's going. Mjolnir is pretty awesome like that.
I still don't see how Superman can speed blitz Thor. Where the hell do you guys get all these exact estimates? "DOH Superman can react to the picosecond but Thor's only reacted to the micro!"
Where does that come from?
dude Thor vs supes is an EASY debate.
Thor can and has fought foes while moving ftl.
Supes heat and freeze breath cant do ANYTHING to Thor WHILE I can list 6 that can KILL supes
1)matter manip
2)Soul absorption
3)energy absorption
4)God blast
5)magical lightning
6)His hammer
what can supes do to Thor? hit him THATS IT. Not to mention Thor is THOUSANDS of years old and is also a god of war which means he has 50 times more experience in fighting then supes does.
So where the debate?
@nickzambuto said:
I still don't see how Superman can speed blitz Thor. Where the hell do you guys get all these exact estimates? "DOH Superman can react to the picosecond but Thor's only reacted to the micro!"
Where does that come from?
Because Thor can throw punches in micro seconds, and Superman will catch them in nano seconds...do the math.
Plus, Thor lacks combat/reactionary speed feats to be on equal footing with Superman.
@marvelfanboy said:
@nickzambuto said:
I still don't see how Superman can speed blitz Thor. Where the hell do you guys get all these exact estimates? "DOH Superman can react to the picosecond but Thor's only reacted to the micro!"
Where does that come from?
Because Thor can throw punches in micro seconds, and Superman will catch them in nano seconds...do the math.
Plus, Thor lacks combat/reactionary speed feats to be on equal footing with Superman.
But where do people get that Superman has nano reaction time and Thor is only micro? What feats could possibly indicate such an exact number?
@nickzambuto said:
But where do people get that Superman has nano reaction time and Thor is only micro? What feats could possibly indicate such an exact number?
Nano second
Micro second
@marvelfanboy said:
@nickzambuto said:
But where do people get that Superman has nano reaction time and Thor is only micro? What feats could possibly indicate such an exact number?
Nano second
Micro second
But they've both fought at FTL speeds before right? Isn't FTL superior to micro/nano seconds or am I dead wrong?
Thor wins.
Reasoning
Strength:Thor
Durability: Thor but very close
Combat speed:Superman
Weapons:Thor
Abilities:Thor.
Most of that is listed above by the author of this piece..and Thor wins strength easily because he lifted Yggdrasil The tree of life containing all 9 realms which is like lifting 9-10(if you count the tree itself) Planets.
@nickzambuto said:
But they've both fought at FTL speeds before right? Isn't FTL superior to micro/nano seconds or am I dead wrong?
That's combat speed, not reactionary speed.
@marvelfanboy said:
@nickzambuto said:
But they've both fought at FTL speeds before right? Isn't FTL superior to micro/nano seconds or am I dead wrong?
That's combat speed, not reactionary speed.
Ok ok, I think I'm starting to understand. Thanks.
This was a biased article in objective clothing. Thor loses to the Hulk everytime they fight- the same Hulk that Superman has beaten. Thor has also been DEFEATED by Superman. Superman's speed is superluminal by the way when flying. You constantly referenced Thor's speed surpassing Quicksilver, as if that's impressive (he's only a supersonic). The fastest character in Marvel is Makkari, a character who's speed is dwarfed by any member of the Flash family. Superman, when flying, has speed that rivals the Flashes (he's destroyed if he's only running). Gladiator, as you said, is a very powerful Superman clone, but you want to know a stronger one, Mr. Majestic. This same Mr. Majestic was put on his butt by Superman. Since when does taking hits from reality- alterers surpass surviving a supernova or juggling a black hole (that little thing that not even light...or death can escape). These reality- alterers were not using their reality- alteration abilities on Thor, so the fact that they had the ability to alter reality is inconsequential (Thor doesn't have an anti-erase my behind from existence power).
To conclude, Superman, in his current incarnation, has not reached his maximum potential (his maximum potential practically makes him a god in the true sense of the word). Thor on the other hand is thousands of years old and is as powerful as he is going to become (not including the sporadic/ temporary plot device power increases he'll receive). Finally, I will mention something that no one seems to like to take into account- THOR'S POWER IS EQUIVALENT TO A REALLY STRONG LUKE CAGE, ALL OF THE REALLY IMPRESSIVE ABILITIES ARE DERIVED FROM MJOLNIR. WHEN SUPES GETS A RIDICULOUSLY POWERFUL WEAPON TO BRING INTO BATTLE, THEN AND ONLY THEN CAN YOU COUNT MJOLNIR'S POWER AS THOR'S.
@joshuagamer said:
This was a biased article in objective clothing. Thor loses to the Hulk everytime they fight- the same Hulk that Superman has beaten.
False.
@joshuagamer: wow, okay. just responding to the "all caps" section of that, a kryptonian doesn't just have the power supes does. It comes only with time spent under a yellow sun. Under your line of reasoning this fight is only arguable if it's an average asgardian vs an average kryptonian? Because that fight would be boring, and i don't believe that is whats being discussed here.
@marvelfanboy: true unless you can find even one time that Thor has managed to beat the Hulk. P.s. I'm not talking about getting in a good hit or two, I'm talking about actually winning a fight.
@joshuagamer said:
This was a biased article in objective clothing. Thor loses to the Hulk everytime they fight- the same Hulk that Superman has beaten. Thor has also been DEFEATED by Superman. Superman's speed is superluminal by the way when flying. You constantly referenced Thor's speed surpassing Quicksilver, as if that's impressive (he's only a supersonic). The fastest character in Marvel is Makkari, a character who's speed is dwarfed by any member of the Flash family. Superman, when flying, has speed that rivals the Flashes (he's destroyed if he's only running). Gladiator, as you said, is a very powerful Superman clone, but you want to know a stronger one, Mr. Majestic. This same Mr. Majestic was put on his butt by Superman. Since when does taking hits from reality- alterers surpass surviving a supernova or juggling a black hole (that little thing that not even light...or death can escape). These reality- alterers were not using their reality- alteration abilities on Thor, so the fact that they had the ability to alter reality is inconsequential (Thor doesn't have an anti-erase my behind from existence power).
@joshuagamer said:
@marvelfanboy: true unless you can find even one time that Thor has managed to beat the Hulk. P.s. I'm not talking about getting in a good hit or two, I'm talking about actually winning a fight.
1. Thor has not lost to Hulk every time they fought
2. Superman has never beaten Thor.
3. Thor can travel FTL
4. Superman has never beaten Mr. Majestic
@mr_gone: Have you ever read comics or are you just trolling. I like Thor, but he is one of the most undeservedly hyped characters in all of comics.
Is supe faster than Thor? I thought Thor could literally teleport, and move at speeds beyond light Speed(at one time)
EDIT: Yes supe is faster than Thor, and stronger, but does he have the battle tactics, and intelligence of Thor?
What i'm trying to say is, is Superman too stupid to defeat Thor?
@Z3RO180 said:
@DrinkUrPruneJuice77: have you got scans of thor beating hulk cause i have never seen any apart from fear itself.
Hulk vs Thor...
The Many times they fight it ends undecided. But Thor has 4 solid victories over Hulk (counting bfr). Some might not count Fear itself though because Thor collapsed immediately after the fight.
Superman is smarter than Thor and has the speed and durability advantage. Also there are some comics where Superman uses his reflexes and speed to speed blitz his opponents. He could do this to Thor as well!
Let's go ahead and pretend this matters. In order to throw something at someone they have to give you the space to do it.@ratman19: Mjlonir is fast when thrown, Thor can throw it like 3 times the speed of light, That's probably fast even for Superman.
I love how insistent some fans are in thinking there is an objective and clear answer to this when even some of the best and longest Superman writers (Dan Jurgens) think that more times or not that Thor is superior and should win in a clash between the two and some of Thor's writers (Kurt Busiek) are of the opposing belief. Both characters are fictional, you can constantly redefine the criteria on how to compare the two coming up with different outcomes each time, and I think to do so can be extremely fun, but man some of the arguments presented. People I think shouldn't invest in characters so much it turns off their ability to reason soundly. Insistence or confidence in an opinion doesn't lend it any extra accuracy.
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