Superman has higher durability for one simple fact. Superman can straight up tank blows. While I know there have been issues of Thor managing to break weapons against his skin. this seems odd to me considering if this were true he'd not need to deflect bullets with his hammer. It's the same reason why Hulk's durability is impressive. Superman and Hulk both can take nukes straight up to the face and walk away unscathed but see characters like WW or Thor have to deflect even simple bullets to protect themselves. Etc. It takes a considerable force to even penetrate Supes skin, so even blows that hurt him likely don't do as much damage as you'd expect. Or at least, I've never seen Thor get shot. In any case.
The reason there are instances where Thor has had his skin pierced by weapons is just to show Thor can bleed. Thor doesn't have any weaknesses, where as Superman does, so there has to be some instance for someone even as powerful as Thor is physically harmed.
Not feats. Conclusions. And I just said "I won't get into that".
Your breakdown, like Vu said, takes into account a point system. So even if the point system was true, it wouldn't mean anything.
1. Okay
2. Again, it just shows how one character outclasses another in individual areas. It does mean something, seeing as how my conclusion, say for example, reactionary speed, most agree with for the simple that I've noticed in most Thor vs Superman debates(minus all the flaming and trolling) cites Superman's speed as the primary area that Superman has over Thor.
Superman has higher durability for one simple fact. Superman can straight up tank blows. While I know there have been issues of Thor managing to break weapons against his skin. this seems odd to me considering if this were true he'd not need to deflect bullets with his hammer. It's the same reason why Hulk's durability is impressive. Superman and Hulk both can take nukes straight up to the face and walk away unscathed but see characters like WW or Thor have to deflect even simple bullets to protect themselves. Etc. It takes a considerable force to even penetrate Supes skin, so even blows that hurt him likely don't do as much damage as you'd expect. Or at least, I've never seen Thor get shot. In any case.
Superman has higher durability for one simple fact. Superman can straight up tank blows. While I know there have been issues of Thor managing to break weapons against his skin. this seems odd to me considering if this were true he'd not need to deflect bullets with his hammer. It's the same reason why Hulk's durability is impressive. Superman and Hulk both can take nukes straight up to the face and walk away unscathed but see characters like WW or Thor have to deflect even simple bullets to protect themselves. Etc. It takes a considerable force to even penetrate Supes skin, so even blows that hurt him likely don't do as much damage as you'd expect. Or at least, I've never seen Thor get shot. In any case.
KalTheHokage_2007: I am by no means a big Superman fan but I however do agree that Superman is stronger than Thor physcially. The Hulk is Marvels strongest character (hero wise) and even his strength pales in comparassion to feats Superman has done. And the feats labled here for Thor in terms of strength dont even come close to matching Supermans strength. Not trying to be bias I actually don't think theres that great a gap between these two characters in terms of strength but in comics there are. Superman should be the stronger and faster out of the two. Thor should have the combat skills and magic on his side against Supes. Either way this is a tough fight but Id give it to Superman 6.5 out of 10.
I know both Supes and Thor are really tough, but in most of cases the big S will beat thor...it will be a dragged out fight, but Supes has thor's number..depending on which versions we are debating or talking about.. SA superman will be hard to beat god of thunder..thor with odin force, his hammer and armor will give superman a run for his money and one hell of fight..remeber superman fan boys thor with odin force is no pushover...I like how the OP broke this down for us..but i still think that supes is stronger then thor, but thor has more tricks up his sleeve or armor..lol
Superman has higher durability for one simple fact. Superman can straight up tank blows. While I know there have been issues of Thor managing to break weapons against his skin. this seems odd to me considering if this were true he'd not need to deflect bullets with his hammer. It's the same reason why Hulk's durability is impressive. Superman and Hulk both can take nukes straight up to the face and walk away unscathed but see characters like WW or Thor have to deflect even simple bullets to protect themselves. Etc. It takes a considerable force to even penetrate Supes skin, so even blows that hurt him likely don't do as much damage as you'd expect. Or at least, I've never seen Thor get shot. In any case.
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Isn't that Odin Force Thor wouldn't his durability be greater than regular Thor?
I tell you how superman beats thor fast plain an simple.
Thor Greatest power is his hammer ,if he throws it, an superman simples dodge it the fight is over, if he evens try to charge up for his powerful attacks which takes a min he lose,speed an power is what put downs thor.
Consider that Supermans intellect is near unrivaled in the comic book world and Thor is closer to Handicapped than a very smart human. Thor would have trouble with the earliest versions of Superman, the versions capable of wrapping an a nuclear bomb up in his cape and brushing it off like it was nothing. Silver Age Superman wrecks Odin and Galactus at the same time without trying. Post Crisis is debatable because there are yet more sub versions of Superman in the Post Era, but generally we know he can fly at light speed and close black holes with his bare hands. I have not read any of the new 52 comics, they are stupid so I won't ever read them, yet more stupid versions of my favorite comic heroes, I prefer to stick with the older versions when comics were actually good.
When i think "SUPERMAN" I envision the Silver Age Chris R in Superman the movie version. This is SUPERMAN. Totally immune to everything but the highest forms of magic, kryptonite and red sun radiation. Virtually no speed limits or physical limits of any kind. This is SUPERMAN to me. Every other version beyond Silver Age is a stripped version. If Thor were stripped of his powers repeatedly on that severe of a level, most readers will go back to their favorite version from 30+ years ago and say thats the REAL THOR. Just like Silver Age superman is SUPERMAN.
...and Silver Age Supes > damned near every Marvel hero
@marvelfanboy: good points. But I still say Thor and Supes are deadlocked. Also Thor has beaten Hulk 3 times btw which is why Hulk will NEVER best supes.
Thor has beaten Hulk once from what i know, what two other times you talking about?
@marvelfanboy: You know your point system doesn't really mean anything. No battle is decided by who beat who in some number of criteria. For example, Daredevil is superior to Magneto in speed, strength, durability etc. And Magneto is superior in EM manipulation. Guess who wins?
But Daredevil is not superior to Magneto in anything, but fighting skills, and acrobatics. Magneto is stronger, faster, smarter, more durable.
Great Thread. I usually hate these because people just blindly support their faveorite but this thread has been pretty civil. Did I really read a post that said SA Supes would beat Odin and Galactus at hte same Time???? Really???
@marvelfanboy: You know your point system doesn't really mean anything. No battle is decided by who beat who in some number of criteria. For example, Daredevil is superior to Magneto in speed, strength, durability etc. And Magneto is superior in EM manipulation. Guess who wins?
But Daredevil is not superior to Magneto in anything, but fighting skills, and acrobatics. Magneto is stronger, faster, smarter, more durable.
I was actually going to put Xavier originally, but i must have gotten distracted halfway :-D
Thor has been shown to do various great feats of strengths but I think this is Marvel's attempt(they do this with several heroes) to revive popularity of the hero. But the feats of strengths when compared to a baseline of feats seem artificial in nature and are explained away as "he's a god."(cop-out imo) Thor and all of asgaard being explained as "gods" is a real flaw in marvel universe.
That said I'm not a superman fan but I've read and know enough about him to realize Thor has no chance against him. Superman 10/10
Ok, the way I interpret this scene(as shown in the pics) Thor was near the black hole but not in it. He saved Red Hulk because he was guided by his hammer which is mystical in nature thus physics and laws of blah blah doesn't apply here. That means this is not a feat of strength but something he was able to do because of the hammer. Now if the hammer was tucked in his belt and he had both hands on Red Hulk I'd say it was an impressive display of strength. But as it is, It's really not impressive at all.
@jashro44: thor got defeated by hulk before, that would never happen to superman
Only because in alot of fights with Hulk,Thor relies on his strength and his strength alone,if Thor used his full array of powers against Hulk every time they got into a fight,Thor would win every time,also don't forget,not only does Thor only rely on his strength most of the time he fights Hulk,he doesn't even use all of it,as its been stated Thor only uses 1/3 of his strength when facing Mortal enemies,so taking this all into account then yeah Hulk is going to have a couple of wins against Thor isn't he,but if Thor used all his strength and all his powers,he would curbstomp Hulk (any version) in a fight all day every/anyday.This is fact.
@marvelfanboy: good points. But I still say Thor and Supes are deadlocked. Also Thor has beaten Hulk 3 times btw which is why Hulk will NEVER best supes.
What instances? I know hammer and Snew and Hulk Annual 2001, when else has Thor beaten Hulk? And i am assuming you would not include fear itself, because its a bfr and its technically not even hulk.
Don't remember the issue but Catwoman defeated Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, and Batman. True story.
Because catwoman was amped and was warping reality.
Oh.
She wasn't amped as such, the fight took place in an illusory world where she (or basically anyone who entered from the outside) could manipulate the surrounding reality to their will. And it wasn't the actual JLA, it was the JLA from that particular world. The real JLA were light years away on Earth.
@marvelfanboy: good points. But I still say Thor and Supes are deadlocked. Also Thor has beaten Hulk 3 times btw which is why Hulk will NEVER best supes.
What instances? I know hammer and Snew and Hulk Annual 2001, when else has Thor beaten Hulk? And i am assuming you would not include fear itself, because its a bfr and its technically not even hulk.
Bfr is still considered a win. And that was Nul, its still Hulk just with an amp.
The first instance doesnt count for two reason, 1 it was professor hulk a weaker incarnation and 2 in Thor 489 he wasnt KOed, because if you considered getting punched without getting KOed a victory, hulk has done so to thor at least 4 times before.
@DrinkUrPruneJuice77 said:
Bfr is still considered a win. And that was Nul, its still Hulk just with an amp.
While BFR is considered a victory, i dont even know why they do so, it does very little to support a character specially in a battle thread so we tend not to count those. And Hulk and Nul are two different character, people would say oh he's amped up version, but then so was Thing and he lost to goddam spiderman. Fear Itself was horrible and i would normally not count that.
Also out of topic, hammer and snew was meant to be a green hulk, we dont even know what happened in the battle, although i did acknoweledge that as a win in my previous post its still iffy.
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