#1 Edited by marvelfanboy (509 posts) - - Show Bio
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1.Versions

  • Current Thor(classic feats still count) and pre 52 Superman

2. The Mighty Thor and Superman are the heavy-hitters of their respective universes, so its expected that this is without question the most discussed versus debate amongst comic book fans. No other versus battle comes close to being talked about as much than this one. Try to start a “Superman vs Thor” thread on any forum(like here) and the first response is sure to be: “Not this again”.

Strength

Thor has lifted the Midgard Serpent, who was so large it could coil itself around Earth several times and crush it within it's grip, shattered planets with the force of his blows, stalemate Hulk's strength for an entire hour(who is Marvel's strongest character), crumbled uru metal into dust with his bare hands,etc.

Superman has moved the gears of a machine that dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system itself, fight powerhouses like Doomsday, defeat Mongul in 60 seconds with nothing but his fists, lifted the Eath with the help of Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman, etc.

Final Analysis: Being the heavy hitters of their respective universes, this is a tie. As neither, if written consistently, would show upper limits to their strength.

Speed(Travel)

Thor has caught up the godling Zefra, created trenches before his enemy to which not even Quicksilver could react, and can travel as fast as the lightning he commands. Perhaps his most impressive travel speed feat was when he caught up to Ego, the living planet, who was moving in hyperspace. Meaning Thor had to have been traveling at least three times faster to overtake Ego in speed(Source for Ego: Astonishing Thor#2).

Superman has traveled across continents in seconds, traveled around the world over 3 times in less the blink of eye, kept up with speedsters such as Barry Allen, although not as fast as Barry nor even as Wally,(source for race with Barry: The Flash Rebirth #3),etc.

Final Analysis: When it comes down to it, thanks to mjolnir, Thor can travel at FTL speeds that surpass even Superman. This goes to Thor.

Speed(Reactionary)

Not much to say here, Superman has nano-second reaction time, and has blitzed characters ranging from Gog to Mongul and everyone in between(even Doomsday).

Although Thor has struck down a moving Quicksilver and claimed to have fought enemies faster than him and possesses micro-second reaction time, Thor's lack of reactionary speed feats gives this area to Superman.

Winner: Superman, by a long shot.

Stamina

It's already known that both Thor and Superman possess limitless stamina. However:

Final Analysis: Due to Thor's stamina deriving from his physiology(internal), and Superman's stamina deriving from solar energy(external). All Thor has to do is get Superman to fight under any other sun but yellow, and Superman will drain his solar energy reserves, and thus, tire, very quickly. This goes to Thor.

Durability

Thor has withstood unrestrained blows from Hulk, on multiple occasions(as I said before, Marvel's strongest character), punches from Gladiator(one of the more powerful Superman clones), nuclear bombs(that's right multiple) at point blank range with no injury, a Doomsday Bomb(capable of destroying an entire planet), sitting in the core of the sun, Ghost Rider's hellfire(Thor was actually immune to it), temperatures 1,000 times hotter than the sun and blasts from the Asgardian Destroyer Armor, and even attacks from the all-powerful race known as the Celestials(Fourth Host, to be exact).

Superman has withstood nuclear explosions, laser attacks powered by the core of planets, bullets, temperature extremes(as hot as the surface of the sun without even the slightest discomfort), and has even withstood Darkseid's omega beams, a feat previously thought to be impossible, planets colliding, and even a supernova-which destroyed all of the planets in the surrounding solar system(although the explosion did knock Superman out, he had no visible damage)

Final Analysis: Being able to dish out attacks from beings who can warp reality at a mere whim vs being able to survive a supernova, I give the durability to Thor, slightly.

Healing Factor

Thor can heal from any injury instantly.....only with magical assistance or the Odin Force.

Superman can heal from any injury instantly due to his solar powered healing factor.

Final Analysis: Due to their being no Odin Force/magical assistance for Thor and no kryptonite for Superman, the winner is Superman.

Overall Power

Thor has a vast arsenal of different powers and abilities and I'm not about to sit here and even attempt to list them all. I'm only going to discuss a few that would relevant in battle.

Thor can transmute elements, teleport Superman to any location he desires, use alpha particles to disintegrate Superman in one shot, absorb the solar energy from Superman's cells and cause him to lose his solar based powers, draw out Superman's life force and weaken Superman, etc. And on a defensive note, with the ability to create a force field that is capable of containing energy that can destroy 1/5 of the entire universe, Superman isn't getting through Thor's barrier defenses if Thor wills it.

Thanks to mjolnir, the overall power(due to versatility and sheer destructiveness), goes to Thor.

Total points: Seven

Thor's: Four

Superman's: Two

Tie: One

#2 Posted by Masterr (194 posts) - - Show Bio

Which versions are you talking about? Supes also survived a supernova, survived inside a double black hole, held a miniature black hole, survived two colliding planets etc. etc. Depends on the version.

These are much greater durability feats than the ones you posted

#3 Posted by The_Thunderer (2894 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfanboy: Wicked. Like it relatively unbiased..you forgot superman pulling the earth though...

#4 Posted by KainScion (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@Masterr: hulk has survived nukes. several times.

#5 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

@KainScion: blackholes > nukes

#6 Posted by DrinkUrPruneJuice77 (1598 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfanboy: good points. But I still say Thor and Supes are deadlocked. Also Thor has beaten Hulk 3 times btw which is why Hulk will NEVER best supes.

#7 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

@DrinkUrPruneJuice77 said:

@marvelfanboy: good points. But I still say Thor and Supes are deadlocked. Also Thor has beaten Hulk 3 times btw which is why Hulk will NEVER best supes.

agreed

#8 Posted by ALMIGHTY (643 posts) - - Show Bio

Great post man love how you mostly left your opinion out and mostly stated facts. Leaving us to decide who's the victor.

#9 Posted by KainScion (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid: how do you know?

#10 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman traveled from the Vega system to Earth, a distance of 25 light years, in minutes at most.

#11 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (2954 posts) - - Show Bio

@Masterr said:

Which versions are you talking about? Supes also survived a supernova, survived inside a double black hole, held a miniature black hole, survived two colliding planets etc. etc. Depends on the version.

These are much greater durability feats than the ones you posted

But most of those feats are PIS.

I.A.T.

#12 Posted by The_Red_Blur (225 posts) - - Show Bio

No there not

#13 Posted by Malonius (894 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Mjolnir's speed makes up for Thor's reaction speed disadvantage. Thor should win most fights with Superman.

#14 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

@KainScion: blackholes has more mass, and can suck in whole planets... nukes cant even destroy half of a continent...

#15 Posted by toptom (1266 posts) - - Show Bio

@Masterr said:

Which versions are you talking about? Supes also survived a supernova, survived inside a double black hole, held a miniature black hole, survived two colliding planets etc. etc. Depends on the version.

These are much greater durability feats than the ones you posted

this.

#16 Posted by coolguyr99 (3019 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Man of Yesteryear: When was this?

#17 Posted by toptom (1266 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Man of Yesteryear said:

Superman traveled from the Vega system to Earth, a distance of 25 light years, in minutes at most.

and this.

#18 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12392 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman should have better durability than Thor ... the OP didn't bring up the super nova, black hole or New Genesis and Apokolips colliding on him

#19 Posted by jashro44 (25389 posts) - - Show Bio

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@Masterr said:

Which versions are you talking about? Supes also survived a supernova, survived inside a double black hole, held a miniature black hole, survived two colliding planets etc. etc. Depends on the version.

These are much greater durability feats than the ones you posted

But most of those feats are PIS.

I.A.T.

And the feats brought up for thor weren't his highest showings ever?

#20 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: thor got defeated by hulk before, that would never happen to superman

#21 Posted by Masterr (194 posts) - - Show Bio

By the way, Hulk is not Marvel's strongest and you also didn't mention the feat of Thor lifting Asgard, he had help from BRB, but it's still a decent feat.

#22 Posted by Masterr (194 posts) - - Show Bio

@KainScion said:

@Masterr: hulk has survived nukes. several times.

And?

#23 Posted by BigCimmerian (8839 posts) - - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@KainScion: blackholes has more mass, and can suck in whole planets... nukes cant even destroy half of a continent...

Thor can also survived black holes, he even escaped from one of them

#24 Posted by Z3RO180 (6709 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfanboy:OH MY GOD SUPES WINS HANDS DOWN GGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Haha thats my attempt of humor....nop ok any way cool post its nice to see a post with an unbiest opinion. Also Thor and Supes are my favorite characters in comic.

#25 Posted by corona (6 posts) - - Show Bio

the most important thing is speed. superman has thor beaten by the thousands. thor has never and will never be able to beat supes

#26 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12273 posts) - - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@jashro44: thor got defeated by hulk before, that would never happen to superman

Superman has been defeated by Catwoman, that would never happen to Thor. See what I did there?

#27 Posted by jashro44 (25389 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: From what I have heard that wasn't the real superman. All though yea I agree thor losing to hulk is a low showing.

#28 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@Masterr said:

Which versions are you talking about? Supes also survived a supernova, survived inside a double black hole, held a miniature black hole, survived two colliding planets etc. etc. Depends on the version.

These are much greater durability feats than the ones you posted

But most of those feats are PIS.

I.A.T.

I don't see how.

@KainScion said:

@Almighty_Darkseid: how do you know?

Science and common knowledge. This is one of the few times I actually agree with him.

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@KainScion: blackholes has more mass, and can suck in whole planets... nukes cant even destroy half of a continent...

Thor can also survived black holes, he even escaped from one of them

Supes has escaped from one as well.

#29 Posted by Kinasin_ (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

Biased OP.

#30 Edited by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

Again, I have to ask...isn't Thor just being pulled by Mjolnir when he travels? I heard once that he doesn't actually fly, but is aided by the hammer. Also, I disagree on the durability front.

#31 Posted by marvelfanboy (509 posts) - - Show Bio

@Masterr said:

Which versions are you talking about? Supes also survived a supernova, survived inside a double black hole, held a miniature black hole, survived two colliding planets etc. etc. Depends on the version.

These are much greater durability feats than the ones you posted

Current Thor(classic feats still count) and pre dc reboot Superman.

@DrinkUrPruneJuice77 said:

@marvelfanboy: good points. But I still say Thor and Supes are deadlocked. Also Thor has beaten Hulk 3 times btw which is why Hulk will NEVER best supes.

This was supposed to be a debate breakdown. I'm going to be doing more of these IF no fanboys and trolls derail my thread into flame wars. I'm am not going to share my personal opinion on who wins in a thor vs superman fight.

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Superman should have better durability than Thor ... the OP didn't bring up the super nova, black hole or New Genesis and Apokolips colliding on him

Give me a few minutes to edit OP, then. I disagree on the durability part.

@Masterr said:

By the way, Hulk is not Marvel's strongest and you also didn't mention the feat of Thor lifting Asgard, he had help from BRB, but it's still a decent feat.

If Hulk isn't the strongest Marvel character then who is?

@Kinasin_ said:

Biased OP.

I wasn't being biased.

@Jayfournines said:

Again, I have to ask...isn't Thor just being pulled by Mjolnir when he travels? I heard once that he doesn't actually fly, but is aided by the hammer. Also, I disagree on the durability front.

Yes and no.

Yes, 99% of the time, Thor swing mjolnir in the direction Thor wants to go and mjolnir causes Thor to fly.

No because Thor can keep his hammer at his waist when hovering in mid air.

#32 Posted by marvelfanboy (509 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

Thor can also survived black holes, he even escaped from one of them

Scans?

#33 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@jashro44: thor got defeated by hulk before, that would never happen to superman

Superman has been defeated by Catwoman, that would never happen to Thor. See what I did there?

when has superman been defeated by catwoman? see what i did there?

#34 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfanboy said:

@BigCimmerian said:

Thor can also survived black holes, he even escaped from one of them

Scans?

yes, i would like to see scans of it

#35 Posted by marvelfanboy (509 posts) - - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid:

Please don't derail this thread, please.

#36 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio

This makes no sense. Even if these stats were true, you can't simply assume someone wins because he/she has a couple of stats slightly above the other, when the other has a stat so ridiculously above the former.

#37 Posted by vuviper (5531 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfanboy: You know your point system doesn't really mean anything. No battle is decided by who beat who in some number of criteria. For example, Daredevil is superior to Magneto in speed, strength, durability etc. And Magneto is superior in EM manipulation. Guess who wins?

#38 Posted by DrinkUrPruneJuice77 (1598 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfanboy: If Hulk isn't the strongest Marvel character then who is?

I say Trion Juggernaut imo. He was able to punch through dimensions by sheer brute force.

#39 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfanboy said:

@Almighty_Darkseid:

Please don't derail this thread, please.

whatever kid

#40 Posted by marvelfanboy (509 posts) - - Show Bio

@vuviper said:

@marvelfanboy: You know your point system doesn't really mean anything. No battle is decided by who beat who in some number of criteria. For example, Daredevil is superior to Magneto in speed, strength, durability etc. And Magneto is superior in EM manipulation. Guess who wins?

I know. That's why I called it a debate "breakdown" not a "one character beats the other because of more points."

@ReVamp said:

This makes no sense. Even if these stats were true, you can't simply assume someone wins because he/she has a couple of stats slightly above the other, when the other has a stat so ridiculously above the former.

1. The stats are true.

2. Thor and Superman do have very high end feats(I haven't listed of all of them, obviously). But I find it better to use a few consistent high end feats than one really, really, really, really high end feat.

#41 Posted by marvelfanboy (509 posts) - - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@marvelfanboy said:

@BigCimmerian said:

Thor can also survived black holes, he even escaped from one of them

Scans?

yes, i would like to see scans of it

Thor's equal, Beta Ray Bill has.

@DrinkUrPruneJuice77 said:

@marvelfanboy: If Hulk isn't the strongest Marvel character then who is?

I say Trion Juggernaut imo. He was able to punch through dimensions by sheer brute force.

That's a specific version of a character. I was talking about a general character. Like when I say "Hulk," I don't mean "World Breaker Hulk." Or when I say "Superman" I don't mean "All Star Superman."

#42 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12273 posts) - - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@jashro44: thor got defeated by hulk before, that would never happen to superman

Superman has been defeated by Catwoman, that would never happen to Thor. See what I did there?

when has superman been defeated by catwoman? see what i did there?

That made no sense.

Don't remember the issue but Catwoman defeated Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, and Batman. True story.

#43 Posted by vuviper (5531 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfanboy: Well what's the point of it then?

#44 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: it was a dream sequence iirc

#45 Posted by BigCimmerian (8839 posts) - - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@marvelfanboy said:

@BigCimmerian said:

Thor can also survived black holes, he even escaped from one of them

Scans?

yes, i would like to see scans of it

#46 Edited by marvelfanboy (509 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian:

I remember that, that would be a FTL travel speed feat for Thor(Hulk #5, I believe, I haven't read that issue in a while because it was written by Jeph Loeb).

@vuviper said:

@marvelfanboy: Well what's the point of it then?

To show how one character fares against another in different areas.

It's much better than saying "name wins" in every "Thor vs Superman" thread only to have locked for attracting fanboys and starting flame wars.

#47 Posted by BigCimmerian (8839 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines said:

Again, I have to ask...isn't Thor just being pulled by Mjolnir when he travels? I heard once that he doesn't actually fly, but is aided by the hammer. Also, I disagree on the durability front.

Thor can fly in the same manner as the Storm, by manipulating air and wind around him, but he cannot fly faster than light without hammer and cannot travel through space without Mjolnir

#48 Posted by marvelfanboy (509 posts) - - Show Bio

@ALMIGHTY said:

Great post man love how you mostly left your opinion out and mostly stated facts. Leaving us to decide who's the victor.

Are you serious?

@The Man of Yesteryear said:

Superman traveled from the Vega system to Earth, a distance of 25 light years, in minutes at most.

What do you think about my OP?(please don't start a flame war, I just want your thoughts without insults)

#49 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfanboy said:

(please don't start a flame war, I just want your thoughts without insults)

what are you implying

#50 Posted by marvelfanboy (509 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Man of Yesteryear:

I just wanted your opinion on this, and I didn't want this to end up like all other Thor vs Superman threads(it's not personal).