There Is No PIS or CIS

@Rumble Man: spidey is probs better than street level not much better but still

there is no PIS or WIS, just the Loeb Force and PISkinesis. Those are very powerful abilities a few characters have

@SpideyPresence said:

I knew it i knew it! Spiderman beat firelord with energy to spare, therefore he can spar with Thor!

If you go by ABC logic then he should be able to smack SS around witha ukelele

@Jorgevy: That's when writers ought to get shot, then again I am drinking haterade

I'm not sold on the whole argument that there is no pis because if it it happened, it happened. History in comics is remarkably flimsy, due to the various crises,reboots, and retcons. There have been major plotlines that have been totally disregarded before,so for a comic fan to say something that shouldn't of happened,that was never mentioned on panel again, and has no real bearing on further developments, and has universally been regarded as a mistake didn't happen isn't much of a stretch.

Does removing the whole firelord fight affect the meaning of a spiderman story at all, no. Has it been brought up since, no. Do people think it is stupid, yes, overwhelmingly so. For a story arc that people feel are stupid/out of character, they retcon it. They however are not going to spend an entire issue trying to retcon one fight that was never mentioned again, so they just ignore it. The technique of forgetting it has proven to work, look at pro wrestling, sometimes they have a big storyline to explain a characters change in motives (lets say from heel to face, usually done for major memorable stars), but other times the just make them act like a face without ever mentioning their past bad deeds (usually done for minor characters), instead choosing to forget them and never address them. And it tends to work. These things may be important for battle forums, but for the company itself it isn't important enough to fix, so explaining something as PIS is a good way of dealing with it.

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

What i'm saying is you might not agree that Batman could do it (I think that's absurd too, he couldn't do that imo), but the point is if it's a canon story, it happened whether you agree with it or not.

yes, and what happened would be PIS/CIS.

Just would like to say I've changed my view on this. PIS and all the others could exist. What made this change of heart? Jeph Loeb.

it depends on the circumstance of the story and character's personality. look at Black Panther arm holding the Silver Surfer. Silver Surfer allowed him to do it so that he could hear what he had to say.

If PIS/CIS doesn't happen, then BATMAN IS GOD HERPA DERP

No, but if I had FTL reflexes or was bulletproof I would be confused about it.

@imthedamnbatman: Seems like you don't understadn what PIS/CIS is. Whatever the story is real (canon) or not doesn't change that PIS and CIS exist. The story can still exist but the action can still be out of character. The one thing doesn't eliminated the other.

Lol. The OPs username made me laugh.

Plot induced stupidity exists..because that's what it is, stupid things happening to suit the plot. A year old but still. No one denied PIS exists, they are just saying what happened is stupid...which is what part of PIS stands for. Venom beating up superman but losing to spider-man PIS, Venom taking on Juggernaut is PIS.

@w0nd: Isn't Venom immune to physical harm? Cause if so, him fighting the Juggernaut doesn't seem that bad.

Not to that level. Especially when Luke Cage was taking on Mac and colossus basically chucked him around. I do realize this was a mutated venom but still. His punches were doing damage to juggs

I'll just leave this here, i rest my case.

@ubersoldier: I have to nitpick that scene. First off, Darkseid was weakened immmensly, and to top that off he was faking much of the weakness (though we don't know how much) so that Desaad would pay the price for the Omega Force. After Desaad takes the Omega Force, and starts screaming in pain, Darkseid walks over, grabs him, and just drains it from inside of him without batting an eye. So while it's PIS, there was a fairly good explanation in the story. [/end rabid Darkseid fan mode] :P :P

this

@the_imperator:

I look at it this way: comic books are not a firsthand account of an event in the comic book universe as the writers weren't actually there (obviously) but have an idea of what happened. Think of it as somebody telling somebody else about a football game however the person describing the match watched it on the TV and missed a few key events so they have to try and fill the gaps by estimating what occurred. A good story teller will have estimated well, but a bad writer (somebody who uses PIS or CIS) will have estimated badly.

I'll never get over that...

Stupidity exists alright. Many people have already given so many examples, but I'll just add one more: Deathstroke stopping the punch of a green lantern.

Kind of like how I feel about crossovers being used in Battles. I think it's idiotic that just because it happened in a crossover it should be ignored entirely. I mean, yeah some of the crossovers that were written were pretty silly, like Hulk vs. Batman and Superman vs. Venom, but some of them I've found to be accurate portrayals of what would actually happen, for instance Deathstroke vs. Wolverine and Thor vs. Superman.

@ubersoldier: That lantern corp oath is the best thing i read in here. What emotion do they harness? "Meh"

PIS and CIS are subjective.

Bad writing does exist.