The Type of Archery Comic Writers Should Use

Ever since seeing a different video with this same archer I've wondered why I've never seen a comic book writer think of using this, and I'm guessing it's just that they've never heard of it

What do you think?

That's pretty cool

That guy is freaky good, although I shudder to think of the time spent training to that level.

Who would have thought cw arrows skills are sub par compared to this guy........

Guns.

Finished it for you :)

@primez0ne: Guns are for men.

Because they don't know about it. The video itself explains that for the last hundred years or so these methods of archery have been lost. Once guns became to go to form of ranged combat and hunting we stopped using bows and arrows, and so forgot how to use them to their highest potential.

Comic writers, not being historians or well versed in Medieval combat, wouldn't be aware that there are older, better methods of firing arrows than what they've seen professional archers of today's sport use.

@metaljimmor: that's basically what I meant when I said "I'm guessing it's just that they've never heard of it"

I'd like to think @feartheliving would enjoy this

@mrnoital: *&*&ING AMAZING! Can the archery community stop giving Hawkeye so much **** from Avengers now? No but seriously that's pretty awesome.

I'd love to see this adapted on the page.

@primez0ne: Guile isn't real.. that goes with his opinion too lol.

That vid is awesome.

@feartheliving: @mrnoital:

Send Jeff Lemire the video so he can add something like this to Hawkguy

~MiB

@madeinbangladesh: I actually did send it on twitter

Preston disagrees.

@mrnoital: @madeinbangladesh: I did as well.

< Sigh> Why did I have to be a markswoman and use a handbow for work. Actually I'm certain an arrow would be harder to use then a bolt in this circumstance so maybe it's for the best

@mrnoital: I can tell you right now, coming from someone who as shot archery their whole life and studied it. this archery was used for show/stunted archery. The book that is quoted in the video is under the show/stunted part. This archery wasn't used for warfare because for this technique you have to use a very low draw weight ( 20-35 pound draw ) which wouldn't be good for combat. Archery warfare was nothing like this video it was simply used for show.

@monkeystarship: this video showed it going through chain mail

@mrnoital: yeah it went through the chain mail but that's probably as far as it got.

That's amazing

@monkeystarship: I think you might need some actual experience in this style before you can talk about it's efficiency, instead of just reading something in a book

@mrnoital: I've been shooting archery for close to 10 years I think I have experience. I'll say it is amazing how fast he is he's very good that what he does. but thats not good for combat , with a low draw weight like he his using it won't go through chain mail and far enough into the person to be lethal. also he is using a half draw most of the time so the bow isn't shooting with its full power

@monkeystarship: the problem is your making claims you can't know, you have no idea what his draw strength is or how far the arrow went in, it's definitely lethal and would most likely be lethal to people wearing leather armor which was actually more common, and like I said you'd need experience in this stylebefore you speak about it

@mrnoital:

Yeah I posted that link here some two weeks ago. The Danish guy: Andersen has said in an interview that he has spent about 10 years and counting in practising his skills.

So its really not that infeasible for a comic book archer like Hawkeye or Green arrow to posses such level of skill, but we all know that the real extent of fictive characters abilities are the writers limits of imagination... So maybe they eventually will show this level of skill?

Well most hunting bows in museums are in fact between 30-50 pounds of draw weight because you don't need stronger bow (and making a one above 60 from wood, bone & sinew isn't that easy) except when using the bow for war where higher strength is useful for greater range. it's a hollywoodism to think that archers would pick their targets at the field like modern snipers. The normal method was to shoot volleys of arrows behind strengthened positions or from horseback/war chariot to avoid being slaughtered by the enemy foot & cavalry forces.

@mrnoital: @monkeystarship stated he has a decade of experience. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. As it stands, with my layman's knowledge, I too think he is going more for speed then strength in most shots and I'd question the draw weight as well.

That being said, it's amazing/amusing as all getout to watch.

Because it doesn't look as cool as the archery we see in TV and Movies.

@risingbean:

@monkeystarship: @risingbean: you do realize that having experience in one style has no relation to your skill or knowledge of another style

that's like saying you have a decades experience in fencing, and you read a book about sword fighting, so you know all about kenjutsu

@mrnoital: However with that said, I know that draw weight affects archery on the whole. It's physics. Potential energy from drawing the bowstring is turned into kinetic energy when the string is released and the arrow is fired.

Pulling the string halfway gives you half as much potential, and thus kinetic energy. If you really want to put an arrow through something, having a heavy weight and pulling the string all the way back is the way to go.

And since, I'm a better fist fighter then archer, I'll use an example I'm better with.

If I jab you in the face three times fast, it may hurt some. However if I draw my arm back, torque my hips when I throw my punch and put my weight into it, I'm going to put out a lot more power with that one punch then the jabs.

Its the same concept. The guy in the video is "jabbing" with his half cocked shooting style. He isn't putting all the energy into the bow that he can, and I'm doubtful that he could be terribly effective against most old style armor at any reasonable distance.

@risingbean: the most common old style of armor was leather, and this video proved it can go through chain mail

and you might want to watch closer, he pushes forward with his bow arm while drawing back with his arrow arm, and it ends up at almost the same as a full draw

@mrnoital: I don't know. I watched the video again and it seems like in most shots he doing half draws. As for the shots through the chain mail, It doesn't show his distance from the target nor how he drew. I'm going to take things with a grain of salt until which time I get firsthand visuals or see something that is a bit more scientific.

@risingbean: you should also take claims made over the internet with a grain of salt

@risingbean: You forgot the mass and backlash from the bows arms which also affect the bow's 'performance' during shooting.

The bow used looks to be a Hungarian type horn bow which were fairly typical among nomadic steppe people of ancient such as Turks, Tatars, Bashkir, Hungarians, Alans and later the Arabs/Saracens. They usually had the draw weight of about 50-60 and used light and fairly short arrows though modern synthetic horn versions are probably about 60-70.

Also, ancient horse archers usually drew their bows against their chest not ear like you do with longer bows.

@mrnoital: @monkeystarship: Some links/Critical thinking

Danish archer demonstrates gullibility of audience

And...

@risingbean: it's a shame there's nothing of substance there, only nitpicking at things he clearly exagerated

and couldn't even finish the first link, it discredited itself when it said he can't hit anything over 20 feet away (check the original video at 3:14) then said his gimmick is speed and not accuracy (check it at 1:58)

they didn't even watch the video they were trying to discredit