The Speed Blitz bailout, Not Really!

You can go to these battle forums and pit one character against another and come up with multiple results. The one thing that agitates me the most is when you get two uber powerful characters and one is relatively slower than the other, but faster than the human eye can follow. Normally you'd think possible stale mate, but there's the pulling of the same tired card, "Oh he can speed blitz the other character and win". I get so tired of that notion, does anybody ever take into account that speed blitzing may actually push the victim over the edge resulting in a massive A** kicking! I just can't imagine someone speed blitzing certain characters in comics when ultimately, we know that the character is eventually come back wit ha barrage of ugly, likely resulting in the end of a battle. I not a fan of the speed blitz excuse, but when you hit an uber powerful character with the same amount of force, at high speeds, the character on the recieving end is going to get use to the level of force from the punch. This is almost like a boxing match where one opponent deduces he can take the punches and knocks his opponent out. This is how see the speed blitz thing.

Strength means nothing if you're not fast enough to hit your opponent. You can be as strong as you like, and as mad as you like, and it won't mean a thing if you can't make contact. That's the speedblitz excuse: This character, in this state, is so fast that the opponent can't even hit them.

As for a character tanking the punches, again, even if they have the durability to tank the speeds their opponent is going at, if they can't hit them in return, it doesn't matter.

And when you start to get into the higher tier speedsters, such as Ultimate Quicksilver and the Flashes, or people with comparable speed, such as Superman, in other words, people who can approach the speed of light, then durability doesn't matter. If a character hits the speed of light, and then hits their opponent at that speed, it doesn't matter how durable the opponent is. Unless they've got some kind of super magical resistance to laws of physics, they're going to get completely obliterated. I'm not talking mere 'KO', I'm talking there not even being enough to make a fine mist.

@JonSmith said:

Strength means nothing if you're not fast enough to hit your opponent. You can be as strong as you like, and as mad as you like, and it won't mean a thing if you can't make contact. That's the speedblitz excuse: This character, in this state, is so fast that the opponent can't even hit them.

As for a character tanking the punches, again, even if they have the durability to tank the speeds their opponent is going at, if they can't hit them in return, it doesn't matter.

And when you start to get into the higher tier speedsters, such as Ultimate Quicksilver and the Flashes, or people with comparable speed, such as Superman, in other words, people who can approach the speed of light, then durability doesn't matter. If a character hits the speed of light, and then hits their opponent at that speed, it doesn't matter how durable the opponent is. Unless they've got some kind of super magical resistance to laws of physics, they're going to get completely obliterated. I'm not talking mere 'KO', I'm talking there not even being enough to make a fine mist.

@JediXMan said:

@JonSmith said:

Strength means nothing if you're not fast enough to hit your opponent. You can be as strong as you like, and as mad as you like, and it won't mean a thing if you can't make contact. That's the speedblitz excuse: This character, in this state, is so fast that the opponent can't even hit them.

As for a character tanking the punches, again, even if they have the durability to tank the speeds their opponent is going at, if they can't hit them in return, it doesn't matter.

And when you start to get into the higher tier speedsters, such as Ultimate Quicksilver and the Flashes, or people with comparable speed, such as Superman, in other words, people who can approach the speed of light, then durability doesn't matter. If a character hits the speed of light, and then hits their opponent at that speed, it doesn't matter how durable the opponent is. Unless they've got some kind of super magical resistance to laws of physics, they're going to get completely obliterated. I'm not talking mere 'KO', I'm talking there not even being enough to make a fine mist.

This, especially the first paragraph.

I realize a lot of users are irritated by "speedblitzes," but that's just how it is.

So you guys believe that a speed blitz would affect someone like the Hulk, If anything I'd say it would make him very angry and then you know the rest. There are scans of the guy getting angry and grabbing Spidey out of the blue even with his senses and all. I'm sorry but multiple punches means someone gets tired faster. Also if you've ever played football and ran the ball, naturally after a while you get used to the hits , and shrug them off. Do you think if Martian Manhunter used a Speedblitz ion say He-Man , He-Man would say " oh these hits are really starting to hurt"seriously! Would it work on Shazam,Blue Marvel,New Hyperion , Hercules etc..... I don't see it. It's a cop out in battle threads = to Batman prep time. This is my take on it. Another thing, when you exercise ,they say no pain no gain, eventually the exercise doesn't hurt because you become immune due to the repetiveness, if this sounds logical. Once again check out what happens in real boxing matches, this is why I'm saying that speed blitz thing, is a cop out.

@evilvegeta74 said:

So you guys believe that a speed blitz would affect someone like the Hulk, If anything I'd say it would make him very angry and then you know the rest. There are scans of the guy getting angry and grabbing Spidey out of the blue even with his senses and all. I'm sorry but multiple punches means someone gets tired faster. Also if you've ever played football and ran the ball, naturally after a while you get used to the hits , and shrug them off. Do you think if Martian Manhunter used a Speedblitz ion say He-Man , He-Man would say " oh these hits are really starting to hurt"seriously! Would it work on Shazam,Blue Marvel,New Hyperion , Hercules etc..... I don't see it. It's a cop out in battle threads = to Batman prep time. This is my take on it. Another thing, when you exercise ,they say no pain no gain, eventually the exercise doesn't hurt because you become immune due to the repetiveness, if this sounds logical. Once again check out what happens in real boxing matches, this is why I'm saying that speed blitz thing, is a cop out.

For starters, an increase in durability through trauma takes healing from the trauma, stronger than before. I don't think that's applicable in a fight. And you're not taking into account the speeds we're talking. If we're talking just peak human or such, then yeah, the speed difference doesn't matter. But when we're talking speedblitzers, again, like Ultimate Quicksilver and the Flashes, or Superman class speedsters, who can reach the speed of light, the opponents durability does not matter in the slightest. As things approach lightspeed, they gain more mass. To the point that at lightspeed, an object would have INFINITE MASS. So picture someone getting hit by every planet in the universe, at the same time, times INFINITY. That should give you a vague idea how powerful a hit like that. And if you think ANYONE can tank a hit like that without straight up avoiding the hit with intangibility or something, then you are out of your mind.

The only thing that truly bothers me about it, is that it doesn't offer any debate....why bother with the fight then, if the answer is just gonna be "Oh...so and so speedblitz" that is kinda retarded and is a waste of a thread.

@JediXMan said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

So you guys believe that a speed blitz would affect someone like the Hulk, If anything I'd say it would make him very angry and then you know the rest. There are scans of the guy getting angry and grabbing Spidey out of the blue even with his senses and all. I'm sorry but multiple punches means someone gets tired faster. Also if you've ever played football and ran the ball, naturally after a while you get used to the hits , and shrug them off. Do you think if Martian Manhunter used a Speedblitz ion say He-Man , He-Man would say " oh these hits are really starting to hurt"seriously! Would it work on Shazam,Blue Marvel,New Hyperion , Hercules etc..... I don't see it. It's a cop out in battle threads = to Batman prep time. This is my take on it. Another thing, when you exercise ,they say no pain no gain, eventually the exercise doesn't hurt because you become immune due to the repetiveness, if this sounds logical. Once again check out what happens in real boxing matches, this is why I'm saying that speed blitz thing, is a cop out.

Boxing, maybe. In many martial arts (see: Wing Chun), speed > strength. The principles of Wing Chun involve using an opponent's size and strength against them. It also involves them using repeated strikes to weaken the opponent. You're assuming that fast punches = weak.But this does not have to do with speedblitzing; your kind of logic only applies to street level combat.

To provide an admittedly rather dramatic example of Wing Chun in action, see here, where Ip Man (the dude dressed in black) uses said style of fighting to take on ten black belts. By your logic, EvilVegeta, these men should have tanked Ip's punches, and just kept coming until they hit him. Yet NONE of them ever actually HIT him. They make contact, and he turns it against them, despite them having the advantage of superior cumulative strength.

@JonSmith said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

So you guys believe that a speed blitz would affect someone like the Hulk, If anything I'd say it would make him very angry and then you know the rest. There are scans of the guy getting angry and grabbing Spidey out of the blue even with his senses and all. I'm sorry but multiple punches means someone gets tired faster. Also if you've ever played football and ran the ball, naturally after a while you get used to the hits , and shrug them off. Do you think if Martian Manhunter used a Speedblitz ion say He-Man , He-Man would say " oh these hits are really starting to hurt"seriously! Would it work on Shazam,Blue Marvel,New Hyperion , Hercules etc..... I don't see it. It's a cop out in battle threads = to Batman prep time. This is my take on it. Another thing, when you exercise ,they say no pain no gain, eventually the exercise doesn't hurt because you become immune due to the repetiveness, if this sounds logical. Once again check out what happens in real boxing matches, this is why I'm saying that speed blitz thing, is a cop out.

For starters, an increase in durability through trauma takes healing from the trauma, stronger than before. I don't think that's applicable in a fight. And you're not taking into account the speeds we're talking. If we're talking just peak human or such, then yeah, the speed difference doesn't matter. But when we're talking speedblitzers, again, like Ultimate Quicksilver and the Flashes, or Superman class speedsters, who can reach the speed of light, the opponents durability does not matter in the slightest. As things approach lightspeed, they gain more mass. To the point that at lightspeed, an object would have INFINITE MASS. So picture someone getting hit by every planet in the universe, at the same time, times INFINITY. That should give you a vague idea how powerful a hit like that. And if you think ANYONE can tank a hit like that without straight up avoiding the hit with intangibility or something, then you are out of your mind.

So you are telling me that you can put two ordinary men in a squared circle same size, almost similar strength,the one who throws the fastest punches will defeat the one who more durable. Between the speed guy with average intelligence and the durable guy with average intelligence. Odd are, the durable guy will be the last man standing, not the guy who punched his self to death. I was once an honor student and fully understand what you're saying. Now you can big bang theory me the death with all the equations,but you know fully well what, I'm saying here. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand what I'm saying here. That speed blitz thing just doesn't cut it with me. Speaking of which what happens when you get two character speed blitzing,DBZ! I can't except the speed blitz thing! You can defend it til your lungs turn blue!

@evilvegeta74 said:

So you are telling me that you can put two ordinary men in a squared circle same size, almost similar strength,the one who throws the fastest punches will defeat the one who more durable. Between the speed guy with average intelligence and the durable guy with average intelligence. Odd are, the durable guy will be the last man standing, not the guy who punched his self to death. I was once an honor student and fully understand what you're saying. Now you can big bang theory me the death with all the equations,but you know fully well what, I'm saying here. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand what I'm saying here. That speed blitz thing just doesn't cut it with me. Speaking of which what happens when you get two character speed blitzing,DBZ! I can't except the speed blitz thing! You can defend it til your lungs turn blue!

I find it endlessly amusing that I posted a video that completely defeats your entire paragraph before you even posted it.

@Wolfrazer said:

The only thing that truly bothers me about it, is that it doesn't offer any debate....why bother with the fight then, if the answer is just gonna be "Oh...so and so speedblitz" that is kinda retarded and is a waste of a thread.

Thats a great point! Actually the best point!@JonSmith said:

@JediXMan said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

So you guys believe that a speed blitz would affect someone like the Hulk, If anything I'd say it would make him very angry and then you know the rest. There are scans of the guy getting angry and grabbing Spidey out of the blue even with his senses and all. I'm sorry but multiple punches means someone gets tired faster. Also if you've ever played football and ran the ball, naturally after a while you get used to the hits , and shrug them off. Do you think if Martian Manhunter used a Speedblitz ion say He-Man , He-Man would say " oh these hits are really starting to hurt"seriously! Would it work on Shazam,Blue Marvel,New Hyperion , Hercules etc..... I don't see it. It's a cop out in battle threads = to Batman prep time. This is my take on it. Another thing, when you exercise ,they say no pain no gain, eventually the exercise doesn't hurt because you become immune due to the repetiveness, if this sounds logical. Once again check out what happens in real boxing matches, this is why I'm saying that speed blitz thing, is a cop out.

Boxing, maybe. In many martial arts (see: Wing Chun), speed > strength. The principles of Wing Chun involve using an opponent's size and strength against them. It also involves them using repeated strikes to weaken the opponent. You're assuming that fast punches = weak.But this does not have to do with speedblitzing; your kind of logic only applies to street level combat.

To provide an admittedly rather dramatic example of Wing Chun in action, see here, where Ip Man (the dude dressed in black) uses said style of fighting to take on ten black belts. By your logic, EvilVegeta, these men should have tanked Ip's punches, and just kept coming until they hit him. Yet NONE of them ever actually HIT him. They make contact, and he turns it against them, despite them having the advantage of superior cumulative strength.

This was a great movie! Ip man,@JediXMan said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

So you guys believe that a speed blitz would affect someone like the Hulk, If anything I'd say it would make him very angry and then you know the rest. There are scans of the guy getting angry and grabbing Spidey out of the blue even with his senses and all. I'm sorry but multiple punches means someone gets tired faster. Also if you've ever played football and ran the ball, naturally after a while you get used to the hits , and shrug them off. Do you think if Martian Manhunter used a Speedblitz ion say He-Man , He-Man would say " oh these hits are really starting to hurt"seriously! Would it work on Shazam,Blue Marvel,New Hyperion , Hercules etc..... I don't see it. It's a cop out in battle threads = to Batman prep time. This is my take on it. Another thing, when you exercise ,they say no pain no gain, eventually the exercise doesn't hurt because you become immune due to the repetiveness, if this sounds logical. Once again check out what happens in real boxing matches, this is why I'm saying that speed blitz thing, is a cop out.

Boxing, maybe. In many martial arts (see: Wing Chun), speed > strength. The principles of Wing Chun involve using an opponent's size and strength against them. It also involves them using repeated strikes to weaken the opponent. You're assuming that fast punches = weak.But this does not have to do with speedblitzing; your kind of logic only applies to street level combat.

Are you familiar with the infinite mass punch? An IMP is actually stronger than Superman's hits.

When something approaches the speed of light, its mass increases. Meaning, if Flash hits something at the speed of light, that hit is stronger than anything Hulk can dish out.

Speed = power. 90% of all speed blitzes are performed by light speeders, not guys like Quicksilver. If you are not a light speeder, you can't hang with light speeders. Simple as that.

Also, Shazam (Captain Marvel) has reacted at light speed. Light speed reaction means he can dodge or, in some other way, react to an attack by a light speeder. But he lacks the ability to hit back, and an IMP will drop him.

But yes, a speedblitz would work on Hercules. I can't speak for Blue Marvel or New Hyperion, because I don't know what they can do.

Again: you may not like it, but that's just how it is.

All of you guys bring up great points,which I respect!

Speed blitz is a cop out used on the battle boards to vastly overrate DC characters and underrate Marvel characters instead of debating the outcome. It's applied to characters who don't use it consistently and even shown to be hot by far slower opponents. With the exception of Flash who pretty much speedblitzes every time ( VERY rarely at FTL ). Also speed force crutch aside wouldn't the IMP destroy Flash and everyone near him?

@WaveMotionCannon Exactly.

That's what I was thinking. Wouldn't the person speedblitz punching also go splat from the impact? That seems like a draw not a win.

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@Sinfulplayerx said:

That's what I was thinking. Wouldn't the person speedblitz punching also go splat from the impact? That seems like a draw not a win.

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub said:

@WaveMotionCannon Exactly.

Speed blitz is a cop out used on the battle boards to vastly overrate DC characters and underrate Marvel characters instead of debating the outcome. It's applied to characters who don't use it consistently and even shown to be hot by far slower opponents. With the exception of Flash who pretty much speedblitzes every time ( VERY rarely at FTL ). Also speed force crutch aside wouldn't the IMP destroy Flash and everyone near him?

Great insight guys!

@mk111 said:

I think speed-blitzing only works on some occasions.

For example, even if Flash speed-blitzed Darkseid or Doomsday.....it wouldn't matter. Flash would just break his hand.

Now, if Flash speed-blitzed, say, Penguin, than it works. :P

Agreed! So is it impled that the Speed blitz would be useless according to WW or am i reading in to this the wrong way. Superman is actually one of the main characters I'm talking about since it's normally something used in battle forums by people. I 'd say it just got debunked!

In my opinion, much like the statement "Planet-buster", Speed-blitz is, while a decent statement to make, somewhat dangerous in the sense that it can mean both everything and nothing.

Those who use Speed-Blitz or Planet-bust well tend to apply those things because they recognise that a character is capable of it in a combat situation, that the character, while having to concentrate on keeping themselves alive and keeping their opponent at bay, is capable of transferring that much speed or power with next to no difficulty.

Those who use it poorly tend to make assumptions that don't work terribly well when one thinks about it, such as a character being able to run/fly at a speed which is faster than that of their opponent, or having destroyed a planet, regardless of size or circumstance (this can lead onto some follies of ABC logic, but that's another story altogether). As an example, I can, last time I checked, sprint at a speed close to 20 miles per hour. Let's say I encounter a fellow who can run at about half that. Assuming we are both equally capable fighters if speed wasn't a problem, some would assume I can speed blitz the poor man because I am twice as fast a runner as he is. Of course, this is a terrible example, as I lack the stamina to maintain such a speed and, well, I'm a terrible fighter, so it could still go either way (this is a really bad example, of course).

Now, let's say I take on the Flash. As shown, the Flash is basically able to take a shower, take a moment to choose his costume, eat a delicious meal and then take pictures to post on facebook later before I take my first step. This is a good Speed-blitz because of such a sizable margin.

As mentioned by others before, It works in regards to striking since the closer you get to light speed, the more mass you gain and the more energy it takes to get you at that speed. If you manage to hit light-speed you gain infinite mass, so unless the target has infinite durability, the attack is certain to annihilate the target. A good example would be a bullet, as a bullet doesn't really do much if you poke someone with it, but when fired from a gun, is devastating in its potential.

It does make me wonder, however, whether it would be worth considering calling light-speed the be-all-end-all in regards to high levels of speed-blitzing. After all, if I remember correctly, it is the theory of Relativity, right? While light is clocked at 186,000 MPS, if an object is moving half that, light is still moving 186,000 mps faster than they are.

Would that mean that no-one short of omnipotence is capable of true light speed, but speedsters everywhere are capable of moving faster than 186,000 mps? I dunno, I didn't do too well in physics, and am likely wrong, but it's just a thought.

@JonSmith

Agreed! Did WW just confirm what I've been trying to say without all of the scientific explainations? Apparantely the Speed blitz wouldn't work on her either, and the Great Batman confirms this! I don't make this stuff up people !