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#1 Edited by Squalleon (4626 posts) - - Show Bio

Geoff Johns just twitted this:

Justice League #32 out today! Lex Luthor's run at joining the team continues, the Darkseid War approaches and fun chaos w/the Doom Patrol!

And the war was teased in this week's JL # 32.

#2 Posted by Rev_Sulphur (816 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder will the Anti-Monitor appear.

#3 Posted by Shot (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

Just another Friday for Superman lol.

#4 Edited by Squalleon (4626 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder will the Anti-Monitor appear.

He surely will. In JL 32 it is revealed that Power Ring was calling for him. And the end of FE shows that Anti-Monitor has some kind of grudge against Darkseid.
Maybe the Anti-monitor has his memories from the previous universe, you never know?

#5 Posted by Frozen (13542 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon: He could have memories from the previous Universe, in Robin Rises: Omega, Batman had a flashback to Final Crisis when Darkseid sent him back in time.

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#6 Posted by MaccyD (4163 posts) - - Show Bio

Sounds like a setup for the war with earth two. Probably be in April so still a while of build up yet.

#7 Posted by Squalleon (4626 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@squalleon: He could have memories from the previous Universe, in Robin Rises: Omega, Batman had a flashback to Final Crisis when Darkseid sent him back in time.

You never know especially with the mess the New 52 timeline is.
I don't particulary care about it but DC hasn't improved its timeline at all since the beginning of the new 52, its only gonna get even more messy if they don't do something.

#8 Posted by MaccyD (4163 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: I think that was just a continuity mistake by the writer as surely a bigger deal would be made of an event non one but batman remembers.

#9 Posted by Squalleon (4626 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

Sounds like a setup for the war with earth two. Probably be in April so still a while of build up yet.

I thought DC has confirmed that E1 vs E2 war is revolved around Future's End and World's End. Not the main universe?

#10 Posted by MaccyD (4163 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon: ? Did they confirm this? I thought futures end was showing a possible aftermath of the war and hints for the event. Batman eternal ends around the same time as those two so its possible that's involved. Futures End is a possible future but its still the main universe.

#11 Posted by Skit (2545 posts) - - Show Bio

Hopefully that means where getting more 4th world stuff soon. Also glad there actually using Doom Patrol now.

#12 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33608 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

@frozen: I think that was just a continuity mistake by the writer as surely a bigger deal would be made of an event non one but batman remembers.

I'm pretty sure Batman already knows about the pre-Flashpoint earth.

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#13 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

NOOOOOOOOOOO,Johns writes a sucky Darkseid infact more sucky than even Loeb,also I wouldn't be surprised if he sets Darkseid up to job to Anti-Monitor. Not to mention Johns cannot write cosmic characters even if his life depended on it,the man has no sense of scale whatsoever. Superman level characters are the most powerful he can write without losing balance. They go from destroying planets and universes to losing to Hal Jordan and Sinestro under his pen.

#14 Posted by sinestro_GL (3175 posts) - - Show Bio

We're getting a Fourth World, Green Lantern event soon, fyi

#15 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

NOOOOOOOOOOO,Johns writes a sucky Darkseid infact more sucky than even Loeb,also I wouldn't be surprised if he sets Darkseid up to job to Anti-Monitor. Not to mention Johns cannot write cosmic characters even if his life depended on it,the man has no sense of scale whatsoever. Superman level characters are the most powerful he can write without losing balance. They go from destroying planets and universes to losing to Hal Jordan and Sinestro under his pen.

There there, Pal. ONE DAY Geoff will retire to start his company or something, and we will be free of his tyranny.

#16 Posted by MaccyD (4163 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: If you mean the fact his history continues from pre new 52, it's still altered a lot (zero year, robins barely lasting etc). Also, wasn't it said that batman only met darkseid once in the same issue (Justice League: War) so it sounds like it was the writer's mistake.

If any of the JL should remember pre-52 it should be flash, considering he was the one who changed it.

#17 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

NOOOOOOOOOOO,Johns writes a sucky Darkseid infact more sucky than even Loeb,also I wouldn't be surprised if he sets Darkseid up to job to Anti-Monitor. Not to mention Johns cannot write cosmic characters even if his life depended on it,the man has no sense of scale whatsoever. Superman level characters are the most powerful he can write without losing balance. They go from destroying planets and universes to losing to Hal Jordan and Sinestro under his pen.

There there, Pal. ONE DAY Geoff will retire to start his company or something, and we will be free of his tyranny.

I'm pissed and now I'm starting to wonder if Darkseid war is actually just a prelude to the real story,with fanboy Johns you never know,he loves events that directly lead to other events.

#18 Edited by Pperspectiveandreality (1931 posts) - - Show Bio
#19 Posted by Superguy1591 (3420 posts) - - Show Bio

The Batman fans here to talk about Geoff again? You guys are something else.

Anyway, who was the guy that Power Ring said was looking for Power Woman and her baby? He didn't look like Anti, the dude was sporting dreads. Maybe a different Lobo?

#20 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

The Batman fans here to talk about Geoff again? You guys are something else.

Anyway, who was the guy that Power Ring said was looking for Power Woman and her baby? He didn't look like Anti, the dude was sporting dreads. Maybe a different Lobo?

WTF does Batman have to do with anything? Johns Darkseid sucked period,there's no arguing that. I also never got the impression that Johns cared much for the Fourth World characters,for a major fanboy writer with a lot of clout and penchant for "fixing" properties that does seem rather strange,now that I think about it he really hasn't touched any Kirby character to my knowledge.

#21 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull said:

@entropy_aegis said:

NOOOOOOOOOOO,Johns writes a sucky Darkseid infact more sucky than even Loeb,also I wouldn't be surprised if he sets Darkseid up to job to Anti-Monitor. Not to mention Johns cannot write cosmic characters even if his life depended on it,the man has no sense of scale whatsoever. Superman level characters are the most powerful he can write without losing balance. They go from destroying planets and universes to losing to Hal Jordan and Sinestro under his pen.

There there, Pal. ONE DAY Geoff will retire to start his company or something, and we will be free of his tyranny.

I'm pissed and now I'm starting to wonder if Darkseid war is actually just a prelude to the real story,with fanboy Johns you never know,he loves events that directly lead to other events.

Oh god...What if they make another movie about him? Based on Geoff's new story! FUUUUUUUU!

#22 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@theacidskull said:

@entropy_aegis said:

NOOOOOOOOOOO,Johns writes a sucky Darkseid infact more sucky than even Loeb,also I wouldn't be surprised if he sets Darkseid up to job to Anti-Monitor. Not to mention Johns cannot write cosmic characters even if his life depended on it,the man has no sense of scale whatsoever. Superman level characters are the most powerful he can write without losing balance. They go from destroying planets and universes to losing to Hal Jordan and Sinestro under his pen.

There there, Pal. ONE DAY Geoff will retire to start his company or something, and we will be free of his tyranny.

I'm pissed and now I'm starting to wonder if Darkseid war is actually just a prelude to the real story,with fanboy Johns you never know,he loves events that directly lead to other events.

Oh god...What if they make another movie about him? Based on Geoff's new story! FUUUUUUUU!

God NO.

#23 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@theacidskull said:

@entropy_aegis said:

NOOOOOOOOOOO,Johns writes a sucky Darkseid infact more sucky than even Loeb,also I wouldn't be surprised if he sets Darkseid up to job to Anti-Monitor. Not to mention Johns cannot write cosmic characters even if his life depended on it,the man has no sense of scale whatsoever. Superman level characters are the most powerful he can write without losing balance. They go from destroying planets and universes to losing to Hal Jordan and Sinestro under his pen.

There there, Pal. ONE DAY Geoff will retire to start his company or something, and we will be free of his tyranny.

I'm pissed and now I'm starting to wonder if Darkseid war is actually just a prelude to the real story,with fanboy Johns you never know,he loves events that directly lead to other events.

Oh god...What if they make another movie about him? Based on Geoff's new story! FUUUUUUUU!

God NO.

#24 Posted by Saren (25694 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't know why Darkseid would have long hair, but Grayven could. He even has his father's visage, so that could be him in the shadows. On the other hand, nobody cares about Grayven.

The Batman fans here to talk about Geoff again? You guys are something else.

Anyway, who was the guy that Power Ring said was looking for Power Woman and her baby? He didn't look like Anti, the dude was sporting dreads. Maybe a different Lobo?

Johns' Darkseid is a bland brick who just punches stuff while the plot happens around him. How well or poorly he writes Batman doesn't change the fact that his Darkseid is terrible.

I don't know how hot this prom date of yours that Batman stole was, but you might have a problem.

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#25 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: HA

@saren said:

Don't know why Darkseid would have long hair, but Grayven could. He even has his father's visage, so that could be him in the shadows. On the other hand, nobody cares about Grayven.

@superguy1591 said:

The Batman fans here to talk about Geoff again? You guys are something else.

Anyway, who was the guy that Power Ring said was looking for Power Woman and her baby? He didn't look like Anti, the dude was sporting dreads. Maybe a different Lobo?

Johns' Darkseid is a bland brick who just punches stuff while the plot happens around him. How well or poorly he writes Batman doesn't change the fact that his Darkseid is terrible.

I don't know how hot this prom date of yours that Batman stole was, but you might have a problem.

I thought of Grayven too,but being a Kyle Rayner character from the 90's automatically rules him out in a Johns story.

#26 Posted by jashro44 (22266 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@squalleon: He could have memories from the previous Universe, in Robin Rises: Omega, Batman had a flashback to Final Crisis when Darkseid sent him back in time.

I believe that story was confirmed in continuity. Batmans and green lantern in general weren't really suppose to have changed. Aside from maybe a few things.

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#27 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33608 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

@jonny_anonymous: If you mean the fact his history continues from pre new 52, it's still altered a lot (zero year, robins barely lasting etc). Also, wasn't it said that batman only met darkseid once in the same issue (Justice League: War) so it sounds like it was the writer's mistake.

If any of the JL should remember pre-52 it should be flash, considering he was the one who changed it.

No I mean Batman has the letter his father writ him during Flashpoint, he knows there was a world before New 52.

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#28 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio
#29 Edited by Superguy1591 (3420 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren: I was referring to the fact that only Batman fans are here complaining, but are we judging Geoff's ability to write Darkseid based on the JL: Origins?

Because...Darkseid's plan wasn't revealed to us. He only said he was looking for daughter, not that he was here to punch everyone in sight.

#30 Posted by Superguy1591 (3420 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: I think Barry told him, he was the one that gave him the note and told him about the alternate time.

#31 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren: I was referring to the fact that only Batman fans are here complaining, but are we judging Geoff's ability to write Darkseid based on the JL: Origins?

Because...Darkseid's plan wasn't revealed to us. He only said he was looking for daughter, not that he was here to punch everyone in sight.

Wow you're actually defending that crap? his plan wasn't revealed... yeah ok now whose fault is that now? and why did DS have to show up personally when he could've sent an army of non fodder minions.

#32 Edited by Saren (25694 posts) - - Show Bio

@superguy1591 said:

@saren: I was referring to the fact that only Batman fans are here complaining, but are we judging Geoff's ability to write Darkseid based on the JL: Origins?

Because...Darkseid's plan wasn't revealed to us. He only said he was looking for daughter, not that he was here to punch everyone in sight.

People can, in fact, be fans of several characters. Batman fans can also be Darkseid fans.

Darkseid's plan doesn't need to be revealed for him to be written with the slightest shred of nuance or personality. You are arguing for the merits of a story wherein Darkseid only managed to string together three sentences, to wit, "I AM DARKSEID", "FOR HER" and "KRYPTONIAN YOU ARE COMING WITH ME". Darkseid has literally never been such a stunted brick before. I seriously cannot understand why Johns's supporters seem to be so easily satisfied.

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#33 Posted by Frozen (13542 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Atleast we got to see a more powerful version of Darkseid, there is that.

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#34 Posted by Outside_85 (9171 posts) - - Show Bio

If Johns is writing, we are going to risk getting a brainless and toothless Darkseid with all the emotion, depth and menace of a refrigerator.

No thank you! Get a decent writer for once and not just some fanboy!

#35 Posted by MaccyD (4163 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: That...that makes a lot more sense, I completely forgot about that, even though Snyder has shown it in his run.

Gotta love the pessimism on this thread, though the hatred for Johns batman schtick invading any thread with his name is starting to get old.

#36 Posted by Superguy1591 (3420 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Arg, I forgot it. I think he's collecting Supermen for his war or something? I forgot, I think Pak-Man revealed it to us in B\S. I think Aiko or whatever the demon is named from B/S stole something from him or did something.

And he always shows up in the worlds he's destroyed to defeat the JL. His parademons are usually enough, but our Earth (Prime) has the best Superman and Batman.

#37 Posted by Superguy1591 (3420 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren: So yeah, we're judging Geoff's ability to write Darkseid based on Origins. I think we should hold off on Geoff's ability to write Darkseid for a while.

It's already been proven that he's not a punch 'me up character in other books, Geoff was just withholding information.

#38 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@entropy_aegis: Atleast we got to see a more powerful version of Darkseid, there is that.

That was Pak.

@entropy_aegis: Arg, I forgot it. I think he's collecting Supermen for his war or something? I forgot, I think Pak-Man revealed it to us in B\S. I think Aiko or whatever the demon is named from B/S stole something from him or did something.

And he always shows up in the worlds he's destroyed to defeat the JL. His parademons are usually enough, but our Earth (Prime) has the best Superman and Batman.

Pak wrote that which I'm certain Johns will ignore.

#39 Edited by Frozen (13542 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: He one-shotted Superman in JL and fought the JL.

In Johns' latest run on JL, Superman said Darkseid is the only being in The Universe who can destroy a planet {and could have destroyed Earth 3}. After that incident, both Superman and Wonder Woman under Johns wondered who other than Darkseid could have destroyed a planet.

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#40 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@entropy_aegis: He one-shotted Superman in JL and fought the JL.

In Johns' latest run on JL, Superman said Darkseid is the only being in The Universe who can destroy a planet {and could have destroyed Earth 3}. After that incident, both Superman and Wonder Woman under Johns wondered who other than Darkseid could have destroyed a planet.

Must be a rather weak universe if only one character has the power to bust a planet.

#41 Posted by Frozen (13542 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: I know Darkseid isn't the only one who can, I'm just curious whether he'll write Darkseid to beat down Anti-Monitor or vice-versa.

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#42 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@entropy_aegis: I know Darkseid isn't the only one who can, I'm just curious whether he'll write Darkseid to beat down Anti-Monitor or vice-versa.

Most likely vice versa.

#43 Posted by The Stegman (24629 posts) - - Show Bio

Hopefully Darkseid does more than grunt and stare menacingly this time.

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#44 Posted by Frozen (13542 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@entropy_aegis: I know Darkseid isn't the only one who can, I'm just curious whether he'll write Darkseid to beat down Anti-Monitor or vice-versa.

Most likely vice versa.

I hope not, because DS could destroy Anti-Monitor's original body and be the reason he gets his second, more iconic body.

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#45 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@frozen said:

@entropy_aegis: I know Darkseid isn't the only one who can, I'm just curious whether he'll write Darkseid to beat down Anti-Monitor or vice-versa.

Most likely vice versa.

I hope not, because DS could destroy Anti-Monitor's original body and be the reason he gets his second, more iconic body.

I hope DS destroys him permanently,Anti-Monitor is a cosmic Doomsday.

#46 Posted by Superguy1591 (3420 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Pak is currently my favorite writer on staff at DC and I know he has a knack for finishing off incomplete concept by the early writers of the N52 *cough*Morrison's Superman*cough*, but I'm sure he got the a-okay from Geoff to alter that storyline.

Plus, Geoff isn't this evil dictator you claim him to be. He seems quite receptive to other people's ideas. Take for instance, Billy and Cyborg being best pals in JL: War. He's incorporated that into his JL run and it's hilarious. And the army of Supermen is from Geoff. check the panel where Batman hoes to go rescue Superman.

#47 Posted by Superguy1591 (3420 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: I think Darkseid already beat him, that's why he's looking for Power-Ring.

#48 Posted by Pperspectiveandreality (1931 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis:

Good point. I look forward to seeing Tigra, Steppenwolf, mantis, kalibak, granny and the furies in the new 52. What a shame they didn't get utilized. I said from the beginning it was a bad move using darkseid so early on. I think they rushed into it

#49 Posted by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

At first I was excited by the name of event and by Darkseid vs The Anti Monitor and then I remembered what a s****y Darkseid Johns wrote in Origins. Just a lumbering brute whose main line of dialogue was "I am Darkseid." I love what Johns did with Aquaman, Green Lantern and currently Superman in The New 52 but he is not the right guy to write Darkseid. Maybe The Anti Monitor fits his bill but not Darkseid. Ugh that means that Johns is probably going to be writing this next big event which will probably be a homage to Crisis on Infinite Earths.

#50 Edited by Squalleon (4626 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

At first I was excited by the name of event and by Darkseid vs The Anti Monitor and then I remembered what a s****y Darkseid Johns wrote in Origins. Just a lumbering brute whose main line of dialogue was "I am Darkseid." I love what Johns did with Aquaman, Green Lantern and currently Superman in The New 52 but he is not the right guy to write Darkseid. Maybe The Anti Monitor fits his bill but not Darkseid. Ugh that means that Johns is probably going to be writing this next big event which will probably be a homage to Crisis on Infinite Earths.

To be fair, Johns seems to have improved a lot since then. Who knows now that he is more focused and he has some solid footing unlike Origins, he may do a good job with Darkseid. I am actually optimistic because he seems to have found a balance lately. And we all knew a Crisis on Infinite Earths re-telling of some shorts is coming, its the story's 30th anniversary.