The Best Comics of 2008

Ok which individual comics or story arcs do you think were the best for last year.

All-Star Superman 10-12
Justice League of America: Kingdom Come Special - Superman
X-Force 1-6 - Demons & Angles
Green Lantern 25 - Sinestro Corps Finale
Final Crisis - Submit

There from the top of my head.

Nyx

1. All Stars Superman
2. Green Lantern
3. Thor
4. Batman
5. Action Comics
6. Final Crisis
7. Captain America
8. Secret Six
9. Blue Beetle
10. Nightwing

Amazing Spider-Man
Fantastic Four
She-Hulk
Thor
Thunderbolts

Just cause...Worse that I've read:
ADAM: Legend of the Blue Marvel
Cable
New Avengers
Ultimates 3
Ultimatum

New Avengers

• X-Factor: Laylar Miller Special Oneshot = AMAZING!
• X-Factor: The Quick and The Dead Oneshot. (although the main title wasn't as great this year, these two issues were, in my opinion, brilliant).
• New X-Men/ X-Factor/ X-Men/ Uncanny X-Men final Messiah Complex issues.
• New Avengers - I loved The Hood arc, and The Hood SI issue.
• X-Force - 10 issues of pure magic.
• Detective Comics - I was a big fan of Heart of Hush.
• Batman RIP -  Six interesting a gripping issues.
• Green Lantern - specifically Rage of the Red Lanterns.

Most of All Star was before 2008. :)

"Most of All Star was before 2008. :)"

"Marvel Knight said:

New Avengers

I'd disagree. IMO, New Avengers has been one of Marvel's best title's this year. Sure the SI tie-ins may have dragged on a bit, but they were by no means poor, and the art was excellent. The Hood's arc in New Avengers also only finished this year, and I REALLY liked that.
"

"John Valentine said:

"Marvel Knight said:

New Avengers

I'd disagree. IMO, New Avengers has been one of Marvel's best title's this year. Sure the SI tie-ins may have dragged on a bit, but they were by no means poor, and the art was excellent. The Hood's arc in New Avengers also only finished this year, and I REALLY liked that.
"

Ever since Civil War hit, that series has just been blah to me, and one of my favorite characters is on it."

"Marvel Knight said:

"John Valentine said:

"Marvel Knight said:

New Avengers

I'd disagree. IMO, New Avengers has been one of Marvel's best title's this year. Sure the SI tie-ins may have dragged on a bit, but they were by no means poor, and the art was excellent. The Hood's arc in New Avengers also only finished this year, and I REALLY liked that.
"

Ever since Civil War hit, that series has just been blah to me, and one of my favorite characters is on it."

Haha, I've liked it more since Civil War."

I see your point, and it's entirely valid. There were a lot of street level characters but at the end of the day the only difference between the post CW and pre CW team was that Iron Man, Sentry and Ms.Marvel, characters who I don't care much for and Captain America, who was effectively a street level fighter, were not on the team........ Barton also joined, under the guise of Ronin, which I thought was an awesome concept. I thuroughly enjoyed the Hood's arc and the Hand arc.

"Supreme Marvel said:

"Most of All Star was before 2008. :)"

but #10 came and it was my favorite issue ;P"

Ghost Rider - All

Moon Knight - Of God and Country

X-Force - All

Final Crisis - all

Green Lantern - All

Batman RIP - All

"Nighthunter said:

"Supreme Marvel said:

"Most of All Star was before 2008. :)"

but #10 came and it was my favorite issue ;P"

That's why I posted #10-#12 :P"

X-Force - All

"Supreme Marvel said:

"Nighthunter said:

"Supreme Marvel said:

"Most of All Star was before 2008. :)"

but #10 came and it was my favorite issue ;P"

That's why I posted #10-#12 :P"

AHHHHHHH!!!!!! HYSTERIA!!!!!!!! CONFUSION!!!!!!!!!!
"

X-Men Legacy 112-115 (or something like that). Good story arc.

"X-Men Legacy 112-115 (or something like that). Good story arc."

Also Old Man Logan

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

Magneto T estimate -Still running but really good.
X-force Angels and Demons.

Old Man Logan  ( I know it's not finished yet)
Thunderbolts
Green Lantern

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."

you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it"

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."

you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it"

No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too.

When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."

you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it"

No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too.

When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."

She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions.

I believe so."

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."

you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it"

No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too.

When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."

She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions.

I believe so."

The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man."

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."

you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it"

No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too.

When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."

She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions.

I believe so."

The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man."

but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him"

"John Valentine said:

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

Talia al Ghul"

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."

you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it"

No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too.

When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."

She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions.

I believe so."

The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man."

but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him"

It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion.

It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.

Selina is a much better fit for Brucie."

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."

you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it"

No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too.

When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."

She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions.

I believe so."

The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man."

but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him"

It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion.

It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.

Selina is a much better fit for Brucie."

push me out of the way of an on coming bullet, only to land in the street and be hit by a car later, you did what was thought to to be best in that moment... can't fault you for that."

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."

you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it"

No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too.

When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."

She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions.

I believe so."

The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man."

but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him"

It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion.

It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.

Selina is a much better fit for Brucie."

push me out of the way of an on coming bullet, only to land in the street and be hit by a car later, you did what was thought to to be best in that moment... can't fault you for that."

That's not the point. It's the effect of the action which matters, not the intent with which it was done or the action itself."

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."

you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it"

No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too.

When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."

She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions.

I believe so."

The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man."

but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him"

It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion.

It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.

Selina is a much better fit for Brucie."

push me out of the way of an on coming bullet, only to land in the street and be hit by a car later, you did what was thought to to be best in that moment... can't fault you for that."

That's not the point. It's the effect of the action which matters, not the intent with which it was done or the action itself."

OMG yes it. She wouldn't have done it did she not think it was good for him. It's your intentions that classify your actions as good or bad"

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"pixelized said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"John Valentine said:

"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:

"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

"

It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

"

I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."

you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it"

No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too.

When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."

She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions.

I believe so."

The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man."

but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him"

It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion.

It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.

Selina is a much better fit for Brucie."

push me out of the way of an on coming bullet, only to land in the street and be hit by a car later, you did what was thought to to be best in that moment... can't fault you for that."

That's not the point. It's the effect of the action which matters, not the intent with which it was done or the action itself."

OMG yes it. She wouldn't have done it did she not think it was good for him. It's your intentions that classify your actions as good or bad"

Not the outcome?

So someone who kills because they do it with good intention makes it a good action? No."

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"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush. 

Paul Dini could have done better

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It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."

I was just gonna say that! 

The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid. 

I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art.

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I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.

She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"

She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."

you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it"

No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too.

When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."

She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions.

I believe so."

The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man."

but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him"

It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion.

It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.

Selina is a much better fit for Brucie."

push me out of the way of an on coming bullet, only to land in the street and be hit by a car later, you did what was thought to to be best in that moment... can't fault you for that."

That's not the point. It's the effect of the action which matters, not the intent with which it was done or the action itself."

OMG yes it. She wouldn't have done it did she not think it was good for him. It's your intentions that classify your actions as good or bad"

Not the outcome?

So someone who kills because they do it with good intention makes it a good action? No."

No one was killed, so that's a bit extreme, but it all depends on the circumstances. Anyway he was mind wiped because everyone wanted to protect him. Zatanna did what she and others thought would be in his best interest. nothing malicious. If he anything he should like her because she'll have his safety/well being as a main priority."

"Most of All Star was before 2008. :)"