The Absolute Guide to DBZ feats

@mypasswordis1234: So what if it doesn't have a wide AoE, it doesn't change the fact that heralds have done destroyed planets/stars with casual attacks. Thanos barely survived a blast from Galactus yet has been in black holes and took a planet-shattering scream from Black Bolt with no injury. So what's that supposed to be, Pokemon logic? Silver Surfer has been in the sun and a black hole without any harm but has been nearly beaten to death by Thanos's fist. Does this mean he gets fatally poisoned when he touches an Eternal? Superman has survived supernovas but Darkseid has beaten the crap out of him with physical might. He's allergic to New Gods?

And how is Roshi's Kamehameha not an outlier when Goku's Chou Kamehameha has never reached that level of destruction? In that case, Roshi should have been the one stopping Piccolo.

@nukea6: You complained about the AoE in DB, DBZ, and now you mentioned the similar things on the other side. Although they don't have ki, that's why you could call those feats outlier too.

"Silver Surfer has been in the sun and a black hole without any harm but has been nearly beaten to death by Thanos's fist" So, you supposing that Thanos has more power in his punch than a black hole? Or simply SS weak against physical force, like when the Thing was throw him down with a big rock....

"And how is Roshi's Kamehameha not an outlier when Goku's Chou Kamehameha has never reached that level of destruction? In that case, Roshi should have been the one stopping Piccolo." You either trolling now or just really didn't learn nothing from these discussions. Either way you are hopeless, bye.

This thread should be re-titled as 'The Absolute Guide to inconsistencies, misinterpretations, ABC logic, miscalculations, opinions, and failure to recognize hyperbole and naming conventions in DBZ'

@mypasswordis1234:
Because in DBZ, the strongest attacks (minus piercing beams) always had the widest AoE. This is not the same case in comics (especially with the Omega Effect).

A well-written Silver Surfer has taken physical might without problems. Here's an example:

This guy has taken down the Hulk and characters stronger than him so physical might weakness is moot. So really, you're more hopeless.

I'll start this out simple with proof from the manga, toriyama and Dbz logic.

Starting with goku's durability from the frieza saga:

Frieza attested that goku's death would be either from him doing it himself or the planet namek blowing up where he would have no air to breathe. He said "Your death is inevitable since you can't survive in space" not because of the large planetary explosion. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111111912/2953246-5245098331-1jurz.jpg.

Freiza tries his best at 50% of his Final form power to obliterate goku.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/124813/2743285-goku_durable_tanking_frieza_s_blows.jpg.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/124813/2743286-goku_durable_tanking_frieza_s_blows2.jpg.

^ Frieza can easily destroy planets in his base form and yet he couldn't do shit to goku with his ki blasts which were all more formidable than planetary explosions. Proof: Goku gives evidence that it was much harder for frieza to destroy him then it was planets. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/69026/1281799-db_v27_081.gif.

A portion of SSJ goku's ki allowed frieza to survive the kamehameha and nameks explosion. In this scan frieza was about to die and he begged goku for some ki, goku gave him a "little".http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/14/149746/3274947-3256969-goku%2Bgives%2Bfrieza%2Benergy.jpg.

^ With that little ki, frieza was able to survive goku's kamehameha wave head on.http://cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/ac/acd2bdb70843a1fd812d7d438ca320704619fd9a6891d51aca9e11c1.jpg.

And nameks planetary explosion. http://i49.tinypic.com/14j6c0n.jpg. This already means goku's durability as a SSJ when he fought frieza was on Multi large planet level +.

Also freiza himself, who was weaker than SSJ goku can take large planetary explosions and would only lose "SOME" energy. Here frieza was talking to himself about what he should do.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/3/37144/1127653-screenshot014.jpg. This means frieza can take multiple large planetary explosions before he gets seriously damaged, Since one would make him lose "some" energy. Keep in mind frieza prior to this tanked goku's 20x kamehameha, a Large spirit bomb of genki (life energy) from nameks planetary system and was already weakened from fighting goku and still could take multiple large planetary explosions.

^ All this proves that both goku (at the time) and frieza at max is on Multi large planet level/Large spirit bomb + in terms of destructive capacity and durability.

Now here against frieza, it was the first time goku did a large sprit bomb. Notice that the energy he gathered was from nameks planetary system or like krillin puts it "neighboring planets".

1) http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/356489-gd_1_super.gif.

2) http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/356491-gd_3_super.gif.

There at least 2 things to consider. Namek was locked on to 3 stars which means the rest of the planets goku gathered energy from were just as large as namek or if not that, namek's planetary system was very large and contained much more planets than our planetary system.Frieza tanked the spirit bomb and he was only at 50% of his power at the time. He wasn't even near death or injured just had a black eye lol. http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol22/041-AcoFH.jpg. Just to show you how crazy that is, Our planetary system consists of Earth, mars, jupiter, mercury, uranus, neptune, venus and saturn. Like was said before, king kai mentioned that the energy goku gathered from his planet was pretty powerful and king kai's planet is very very small with little life their so imagine taking the energy force of an entire planetary system concentrated into one ball of energy. Thats some serious shit.

Now despite that regular SSJ's can one shot freiza with ease. A simple ki blast from SSJ trunks >>> Large sprit bomb -http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121218194740/the-dragon-ball/images/0/00/DBZ_Manga_Chapter_332_-_SS_F_Trunks_Shining_Sword_Attack2.png.

The supreme kai's said to easily one shot frieza with a single blast. http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/38272/706189-703333-14.jpg. Based on all these facts, simple ki blasts from people like regular SSJ's and on are easily leagues stronger than an energy ball made up from an "ENTIRE PLANETARY SYSTEM". Guess how many transformations and people far surpasses regular SSJ and the supreme kai's power?

Here: Ascended SSJ's, MSSJ's, SSJ2, SSJ3, Ultimate gohan, All buu's, Vegetto, Bills, Whis, SSJ god etc. If we use logic based on these manga scans i posted and later scans, they can easily generate ki blasts equivalent to Multiple solar - Multple star systems +.

@all_mighty_beyonder

good job on this post

i will add this speed feat achieved by mercenary tao, it shows that kid Goku was faster than Mach 14 before training with popo which is kinda cool :p

just used a little more physics and math to figure out the force exerted on the pillar

we have Mach 14 as the final velocity, then i assumed a 2 meter acceleration distance just to be on the safe side

now by using the acceleration equations we get the following

V^2 = 2as ; V = 4,764.06 m/s ; s = 2 meters

a = 5673924 m/s^2

using F = MA we can find the minimum amount of force applied to the pillar, i assumed a minimum mass of 1 kg

so the force exerted on the piller is 5673924 newtons which is a force that is above the force needed to lift 200 tons (remember goku failed to lift 40 tons in the manga xD) , this shows how inconsistent dbz is or maybe it is just because akira doesn't give a $H!t about all these things that we calculate and argue about :)

can someone double check my math? :)