Superman vs Gladiator

- This is arm wrestling match

- Superman is pre Flashpoint, Gladiator is at full confidence

- They are both angry

Superman

I think Supes wins this as awful as that is me saying it..

Can someone give me a strength range for Gladiatior at full Confidence?

Are you people saying that Superman wins because he is more popular character or he is really stronger and has better feats lol?

Gladiator is nowhere near stronger than Superman. That is a FACT.

@Delta1938 said:

@KMART4455 said:

I think Supes wins this as awful as that is me saying it..

Can someone give me a strength range for Gladiatior at full Confidence?

To my knowledge, this "full confidence" thing is a misconception. That his confidence in HIMSELF being shaken weakens his powers, not that he's boosted if he's feeling more confident than normal. I could be wrong, but "full confidence" would just be any of his appearances where they don't have his confidence shaken.

I see thanks.. Im unfamiliar with gladiatior besides the bare basics and what i can find on here. Supes should win this regardless.

@blackadamFTW said:

Gladiator has busted a planet with a couple of punches. Superman has pulled a planet the size of Jupiter.

Are you referring to the Mogaddon feat?

@BigCimmerian said:

Are you people saying that Superman wins because he is more popular character or he is really stronger and has better feats lol?

Superman has more consistent strength feats that put him above Gladiator(obviously at full confidence), like moving the moon, pulling the Earth back into orbit, lifting a black hole, punching Lobo into orbit, lifting an ship, slowing down someone who was made of eternity,etc.

@NerdsFTW said:

@blackadamFTW said:

Gladiator has busted a planet with a couple of punches. Superman has pulled a planet the size of Jupiter.

Are you referring to the Mogaddon feat?

@BigCimmerian said:

Are you people saying that Superman wins because he is more popular character or he is really stronger and has better feats lol?

Superman has more consistent strength feats that put him above Gladiator(obviously at full confidence), like moving the moon, pulling the Earth back into orbit, lifting a black hole, punching Lobo into orbit, lifting an ship, slowing down someone who was made of eternity,etc.

"slowing down someone who was made of eternity"... LOL... as if that means anything. Please tell me, what does "made of eternity" mean?

superman

Superman

@SavageBeast said:

Gladiator is nowhere near stronger than Superman. That is a FACT.

False.

@Lady_Liberty said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Superman

@SavageBeast said:

Gladiator is nowhere near stronger than Superman. That is a FACT.

False.

Then provide proof.

are you saying gladiator is not as strong as superman?

@Lady_Liberty said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Superman

@SavageBeast said:

Gladiator is nowhere near stronger than Superman. That is a FACT.

False.

Then provide proof.

Proof, eh?

Tell me, do you know ANY of Gladiator's feats? Glads has smashed planets with his feats, lifted colossal spaceships throughout space with ease, and has held his own against the likes of Hulk, Thorn and even Silver Surfer. Sayind that Gladiator's strength is no where near Superman's is false.

@Delta1938 said:

@WillPayton said:

@NerdsFTW said:

@blackadamFTW said:

Gladiator has busted a planet with a couple of punches. Superman has pulled a planet the size of Jupiter.

Are you referring to the Mogaddon feat?

@BigCimmerian said:

Are you people saying that Superman wins because he is more popular character or he is really stronger and has better feats lol?

Superman has more consistent strength feats that put him above Gladiator(obviously at full confidence), like moving the moon, pulling the Earth back into orbit, lifting a black hole, punching Lobo into orbit, lifting an ship, slowing down someone who was made of eternity,etc.

"slowing down someone who was made of eternity"... LOL... as if that means anything. Please tell me, what does "made of eternity" mean?

It was The Spectre, and Spectre's weight was described as, "A cosmic consciousness with the weight of eternity. And eternity, is heavy."

The actual quote is "The Spectre's body, you see, is composed of consciousness: a cosmic consciousness that contains eternity itself. And, eternity... is heavy".

And it means... what exactly?

@Lady_Liberty said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Superman

@SavageBeast said:

Gladiator is nowhere near stronger than Superman. That is a FACT.

False.

Then provide proof.

Proof, eh?

Tell me, do you know ANY of Gladiator's feats? Glads has smashed planets with his feats, lifted colossal spaceships throughout space with ease, and has held his own against the likes of Hulk, Thorn and even Silver Surfer. Sayind that Gladiator's strength is no where near Superman's is false.

The only thing you post here that even matters is smashing the planet. Literally everything else is stuff Clark could do effortlessly.

Fighting Thor or Silver Surfer are not things Superman can do effortlessly.

@NerdsFTW said:

@blackadamFTW said:

Gladiator has busted a planet with a couple of punches. Superman has pulled a planet the size of Jupiter.

Are you referring to the Mogaddon feat?

@BigCimmerian said:

Are you people saying that Superman wins because he is more popular character or he is really stronger and has better feats lol?

Superman has more consistent strength feats that put him above Gladiator(obviously at full confidence), like moving the moon, pulling the Earth back into orbit, lifting a black hole, punching Lobo into orbit, lifting an ship, slowing down someone who was made of eternity,etc.

"slowing down someone who was made of eternity"... LOL... as if that means anything. Please tell me, what does "made of eternity" mean?

@Delta1938 said:

@WillPayton said:

@Delta1938 said:

@WillPayton said:

@NerdsFTW said:

@blackadamFTW said:

Gladiator has busted a planet with a couple of punches. Superman has pulled a planet the size of Jupiter.

Are you referring to the Mogaddon feat?

@BigCimmerian said:

Are you people saying that Superman wins because he is more popular character or he is really stronger and has better feats lol?

Superman has more consistent strength feats that put him above Gladiator(obviously at full confidence), like moving the moon, pulling the Earth back into orbit, lifting a black hole, punching Lobo into orbit, lifting an ship, slowing down someone who was made of eternity,etc.

"slowing down someone who was made of eternity"... LOL... as if that means anything. Please tell me, what does "made of eternity" mean?

It was The Spectre, and Spectre's weight was described as, "A cosmic consciousness with the weight of eternity. And eternity, is heavy."

The actual quote is "The Spectre's body, you see, is composed of consciousness: a cosmic consciousness that contains eternity itself. And, eternity... is heavy".

And it means... what exactly?

What does eternity mean? Goes on forever. Make of it what you will.

I know what eternity means. It doesnt mean "goes on forever". It's also not a unit of weight.

Eternity means that something lasts forever, it has no end in time. It doesnt have anything to do with how big something is, how massive it is, how much it weighs, or anything else like that.

Saying that something weighs a lot because it's eternal is like saying it weighs a lot because it's blue.

Stop using it as a feat to show how strong Superman or Wonder Woman are. It's nonsense.

@Shawnbaby: There is no reason someone couldn't life a black hole. Its an object with rest mass, so as long as you could avoid getting pulled apart by the gravitational forces I can think of no reason someone wouldn't be able to move it if they were strong enough.

@Delta1938 said:

Has Gladiator held his own against those with Above Top-Tier Strength? Superman has, and beaten some.

Thor, Hulk, and Supreme to name a few.

@Lady_Liberty said:

What does that have to do with strength? Neither Thor or Surfer have enough raw strength to challenge him. Thor's best strength feats are almost two decades old, and hard to define. Clark is physically much stronger then both of them.

And I agree that fighting Surfer isn't something he could do effortlessly. I think he would lose against Surfer. But again, that has little to do with an arm wrestling match.

Thor has had some recent strength feats such as moving the World Engine (1996) and harming Galactus with pure strength (2011) to name a few. Thor is indeed in Superman's strength class.

Anyway, thats not the point. The point is saying Gladiator "isn't nearly" as strong as Superman ,despite his many impressive feats, is completely ludicrous. Gladiator may not be quite as strong as Supes, but hes close to it.

@Lady_Liberty said:

@venomoushatred1001: I wouldn't say those two feats put him in Clark's class at all. But that has been debated up and down the 8,000,000,000 Thor vs. Superman threads, until there really isn't anything new to say on the subject.

Back to Gladiator.

Yes, I would say Gladiator doesn't have anywhere near the feats to show he is close to as strong as Clark. For example he has struggled with the Hulk in combat. If he was anywhere near Clark's strength he would just one shot him and move on.

Finally, we agree on something.

Back to Glads, the only reason he struggled with Hulk was because he was weakened due to radiation. At full strength, he should have no problem dealing with Hulk. The only reason I put Supes above Glads in strength is due to better feats. Other than that I would have considered them equals.

@venomoushatred1001: I wouldn't say those two feats put him in Clark's class at all. But that has been debated up and down the 8,000,000,000 Thor vs. Superman threads, until there really isn't anything new to say on the subject.

Back to Gladiator.

Yes, I would say Gladiator doesn't have anywhere near the feats to show he is close to as strong as Clark. For example he has struggled with the Hulk in combat. If he was anywhere near Clark's strength he would just one shot him and move on.

@Shawnbaby: The size of a black hole can be calculated very exactly from its mass, and the reverse is also true. We could measure Clark's height in the scans, and the size of the black hole, and by that get an idea of how large it is.

From that we could then extrapolate how much mass it had, and from that how great its gravitational field was and how long it would last before Hawking radiation burned it out. (Realistically one that size would last less then a thousandth of a second.)

That's a little past my interest in the subject though, as it would take a considerable effort for me do.

Diana could survive a black hole with no problems. If you can move faster then light, you can escape any gravitational field. (It should be really easy for Clark to fly though them, for example.)

But I agree that Bruce should be in serious trouble. I guess his bat-gravity-nullification device saved him ;-)

@XImpossibruX said:

Superman

This.

@Shawnbaby said:

The Black Hole thing is probably one of the stupidest things that has ever happened in comic books ever.

A black hole has a gravitational singularity.

A gravitational singularity is a point of infinite mass and zero volume, meaning Superman struggled to move the Earth, but lifted infinite mass? That's comicbooks for you-shattering our suspension of disbeliefs's beliefs.

@NerdsFTW said:

@Shawnbaby said:

The Black Hole thing is probably one of the stupidest things that has ever happened in comic books ever.

A black hole has a gravitational singularity.

A gravitational singularity is a point of infinite mass and zero volume, meaning Superman struggled to move the Earth, but lifted infinite mass? That's comicbooks for you-shattering our suspension of disbeliefs's beliefs.

Actually that not true. A black hole is a singularity of zero volume, but limited mass. In that sense a small black hole it not much different from a normal object. The main difference would come if you got your hand too close to the event horizon... which is what makes Superman holding one problematic from a physics point of view.

@WillPayton:

No, the singularity is the point of zero volume, not the black hole itself.

Supers rips that stupid mohawk off his head.

@NerdsFTW said:

@WillPayton:

No, the singularity is the point of zero volume, not the black hole itself.

A black hole is a singularity, those two refer to the same thing. In any case my main point is that a black hole does not have infinite mass.

@WillPayton:

1. A black hole has a singularity at its center. They're not one in the same.

2. A singularity has infinite density and zero volume.

3. Which, in turn, implies infinite mass.

@NerdsFTW said:

@WillPayton:

1. A black hole has a singularity at its center. They're not one in the same.

2. A singularity has infinite density and zero volume.

3. Which, in turn, implies infinite mass.

<sigh> If you're not going to listen to me then there's nothing I can do.