Superman vs Batman in a fair point of View(FINISHED)

@trebean: THIS BLOG WAS NOT INTENDED TO INTRODUCE ANYTHING NEW! It was purposed to fix the flawd points introduced in banes blog. He litereally discredits batman in TDKR, while giving superman the advantage for absoloutely nothing, none of you guys care,he credits superman TWICE for beating up random monsters using batmans body and calls it a victory for supes while it obviously is not but none of you guys care, I try to make everything fair and give superman advantage for even the vaguest encounters that suggested a victory for him but what do I end up with? A bunch of superman fanboys who doesnt even know what they are talking about, did you even read the blog? And please point out my arguements that you think are flawed because so far none of the fanboys actually tried to make an arguement referencing my points in the blog so far all I have seen are random giffs with no explanations.

Most misleading title ever

I love this blog.Seriously,it's the best thing on the vine.
I haven't laughed this hard since......well i can't remember.
But the thing that makes me laugh the most is the OP's ignorance.
Anyway i am not writing this comment to offend the OP.... just that his blog is so wrong that i don't even have the patience to disproove it.

Have to agree with the OP to a certain extent. If either Batman or Superman is possessed by some other force, then it really isn't the same thing as the two fighting each other. Batman is not just his body, but his skills and knowledge, so I completely agree that you can't hold the instances of Batman being possessed against him, unless the entity specifically says it has the skills and knowledge of Batman. Even then I'd be hesitant to include them. If that invalidates most of the canon-evidence, so be it.

Bump...................

Excuse for the double post but after I pasted that quote, I can't seem to add anything else.

Even if you remove those two villain encounters, it's still a win for Superman

Heck, you called the battle in Hush an advantage for Batman because Batman landed some hit's on Superman, how's that for bias? And it's not like Poison Ivy is master mind controller unlike others, Max Lord managed to fully control people, yet he can only make Superman beat Wildcat to a pulp

You even discounted the time when Max Lord made Superman beat Batman up just because Batman had no prep.

@digitalshooter9: Present for you.

@citizenbane said:

@digitalshooter9: Present for you.

Where is this from? Is it canon? I really don't know.

@digitalshooter9 said:

@citizenbane said:

@digitalshooter9: Present for you.

Where is this from? Is it canon? I really don't know.

Batman/Superman #1. It's very much canon. There's also a couple of pages of Superman mercilessly beating the daylights out of a superior Batman, if you're that much of a glutton for punishment.

Heck, you called the battle in Hush an advantage for Batman because Batman landed some hit's on Superman, how's that for bias?

I actually said, there is no advantage for anyone in that case, but if you really want someone to end up with an advantage, it should be batman. Not because he landed a couple of hits on superman while superman wasn't able to do anything to him, but because he had succeeded in keeping him busy for catwoman to bring lois lane into the business. Lets face it, even when he is possessed, superman is still as powerful, except he was holding back in our case. So I even mentioned it in the beginning that this is not a win for batman, while you didn't even CARE to read the blog but just come up with random ideas of me giving any advantage to batman, just showing how big of a fanboy you are. In fact, this wasn't even a fight between the two as all batman wanted was to free clark out of ivy's control, but it does present a superman vs batman in some manner. Batman having the slightest advantage does not mean he had beaten up clark in that case, it only means that he was able to accomplish what he wanted, while ivy has failed even though she had superman under his control. Note: Superman WAS holding back to fight the mind control as bruce states it himself, and that is the only reason batman isn't credited for beating him up in any way.

You even discounted the time when Max Lord made Superman beat Batman up just because Batman had no prep.

Prep is practically batman's super power, fighting batman without prep is like fighting superman without powers, but obviously I am NOT going to use that as an argument. Again, you didn't even READ the blog properly as you keep blaming me for discounting superman while I clearly mentioned that it WAS a win for superman although I did mention that:

• The whole fight was vague and in the background.
• Superman didn't know it was batman he was beating up and obviously batman had no intention or prep to actually fight a blood lusted superman.
• The whole process of superman taking his anger out of batman was really short to conclude anything.

On the contrary to all of these points, I still mentioned that superman HAS the advantage for that case, again showing how much of a fanboy you are by making up stuff.

@trebean:

Adventures of Superman #642

Superman is mind-controlled by Max Lord and placed in an illusion where he thinks he's fighting Darkseid but in reality he's fighting Batman. He's enraged because he saw Darkseid kill Lois in the illusion, so he's taking it out on Batman.

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This one is mostly like the incident mentioned first where batman took his anger out on supes. Except, it is different as supes is killing him. You should note that superman is bloodlusted while batman didn't even have any prep or kryptonite with him. This is not an example of an encounter, much like superman fighting batman with prep and kryptonite without his powers. It will obviously end in a stomp.

Lesson learned: While it is a fact that batman needs prep to have a chance against any god like character like supes, a random encounter shouldn't mean a lot as it will only have 1 possible outcome.

I believe there shouldn't be any advantage here but if you really need one, it goes to Superman.

Discounted superman? Yes I did mention that the whole thing was vague enough and unfair for batman and I also said that I BELIEVE that there is no advantage for anyone, but I did not discredit superman for it as you see I gave him the advantage in the end.

My advice, no matter how much of a fanboy you are, you should READ a blog carefully before making invalid points and exposing your level of fanboyism.

I find it unfair bc if we turned it around and said Supes had prep time against Batman that would be considered unfair wouldnt it?

@degraaf: Nope, if batman has prep, so does superman, it is always both sided.

@digitalshooter9: ok well that is new light to the scenario. You could almost play the fight out in your head from all the various times writers and shows have shown them fighting each other.

Batman would first think Kryptonite so Superman would get his rubber/lead suit.

Batman would use Supermans strengths against him (Pressure points and using his momentum to Batmans advantage but When Superman flies as fast as he can towards Batman, Batman doesnt have time to react so he has to wait till Superman already has him in a hold before he can try to reverse unless he has a plan in motion already. Idk if you ever played any sports but i know when i wrestled, speed and strategy only work so well against strength. I have faced off against people that studied alternative types of martial arts and I learned that if my grip is strong enough there is nothing you can do to get me to let go besides hit me in the face or bite me (neither of which would work on Superman). The dude can bite steel in half and make origami out of battle ships. There is nothing stopping him besides Kryptonite and Red sunlight. Kryptonite is only useful if you catch him by surprise bc he can destroy it with his heat vision from a distance and red sunlight only stops him from absorbing the type of yellow sun radiation he needs so is would just wear him out quicker.

Can you come up with one scenario where Batman has a 100% chance of winning and an explanation on how he got Superman into that particular situation?

^ I cant, but Batman can.........

If I were to try though, let me see.....

1. Batman wears the insider and gets a mix of new 52 venom and the man bat serum. That way he wont be killed by one punch.

2.He places red sun lamps around the fight area.

3. Places red kryptonite shards around his utility belt along with grenades possesing scarecrows fear toxin(based with kryptonite).

4. He should have a tool that simply breaks supermansnlead suit.

Scenario. Batman hides somewhere in the fight area untill superman shows up. Before superman finds him, batman throws the fear toxin and supes start to hallucinate. While hallucinating, batman should be able to break him off the lead suit. At that point supes is vulnerable to both knite batman has around him, and the red sun lamps, if he breaks the lamps, he is still vulnerable to knite. This scenario ends up in batman getting the better of a depowered superman. Not the best scenario, but the simplest pretty much.

1. You are quickly taking Batman out of character. Batman wouldnt lower himself to taking a super serum/mutagen that would change him possibly forever. He believes that a man can change the world. Also the Insider suit has a HUGE flaw. Each mode it has needs to be given time to recharge. Also Superman has no problem beating Bane or man-bat and the suit is still a suit that can e destroyed and we dont know the extent of how the suits abilities compare to Superman's abilities and camouflage wouldnt work since Superman can see on all levels of the light spectrum.

2. Stops Superman from absorbing more sunlight but he would still have his powers

3.Wow this one i like! That would be an interesting combo and definitely affect Superman. The only thing i could see with this is that it's still red shards. Superman still have his powers and can grab the utility belt before Batman could react but knowing Batman would probably have his belt rigged so if it is take off of him that it would go off but Superman should expect that and just burn Batmans utility belt from a distance while it is still on Batman (knowing Batmans suit is fire retardant to a point)

4.Which he probably would but if you have seen the shows and comics Superman has a rubber suit as well as a lead suit. Batman would have to dismantle Supermans suit before Superman dismantled Batmans suit and if thats the case im guessing Superman wins.

Scenario: Batman cant hide from Superman he can see through anything. I will agree it might slow Superman down slightly as he tries to look for him but he knows Bruces heart beat and can tell who and where he is. Your right the best opportunity Batman has is a surprise attack with the fear toxin and Kryptonite. That would most likely get Superman to freak and that means Batman is fighting a dilussional and rampaging Superman. As long as no one is around that might need saving from the destruction that does create a good opportunity for Batman. As long as Superman doesnt see the grenades thrown and blow them out of the sky with his heat vision before they can take affect on him.

I knew this was gonna be the same old batman vs. superman thread. Ah anyway. Here's my two cents. Your saying superman get's prep. Now a lot of people won't agree with me but superman is smarter than batman. Your telling me a guy who can read a library in FIVE minutes can't read anything that batman has ever read and do it better? Plus his tech is alien in origin. What if Supes brought the phantom zone projector with him. What is batman's prep gonna do then? Nothing. This whole prep argument makes no sense now and in my opinion has made batman stale. And that upsets me because batman is a good character and has fantastic stories. Now this whole unbeatable batgod thing seems outdated and boring. But anyway that's my opinion.

Maybe he can beat Superman, maybe he can't but right now I'm sick of Batman vs. Superman, right now I want Batman far away from Superman, maybe Johns and Didio will kill Batman, yeah maybe that's why their saying Dick will suffer the most but won't die, it all makes sense Batman finally killed by Superman, that would sell millions DC, do it.

That is literally one of the coolest videos ive ever seen. And maybe, just maybe, it puts the force of a Superman punch perspective. There is no "armour" or shield Batman could make to survive even a single punch from a Superman going all out. And remember, the Superman in this video is less powerful than the comic book version.

Batman gets heat vision to the mouth before he can process a thought

Well Said

Superman vs batman arguments will never end

@soldierofel: Superman does have a super brain, but he doesnt have the strategic skills of batman nor the experience, in a fight, his super brain wouldnt help......, It is not about how strong the brain is, it is about what is stored in it, which comes from experience....

@citizenbane: I've read Batman/Superman #1, and I can't really say that either of its fights hold much weight in the argument.

The first was meant to depict a first encounter of the two heroes when they were still fresh-faced and new to the game, and as usual, neither hero came out definitively on top.

The second "fight" was a young Superman versus a more experienced Batman, but to call it a fight is a disservice. For one thing, they had both just been magically transported from their previous locations and points in time to the Kent farm in Smallville at an undetermined point in time. The older, more experienced Batman is bewildered and believed Superman to be a non-combatant, as they have already become friends in his timeline. The younger Superman already thought of Batman as an enemy because of the encounter he had just been a part of in his timeline, so was ready for a fight. And it wasn't really a thrashing... In fact, at one point Batman had Superman at his mercy with his emergency store of Kryptonite ("You told me to be prepared, Clark." Was his line from the issue.), but was thrown off-guard when he saw that the kryptonite was having a far more powerful effect on Superman than intended (it being calibrated to incapacitate an older, more experienced and stronger Superman). Thus, when he moved in to help his friend and abandoned his advantage, Superman naturally ripped the Kryptonite from the chestplate of Batman's armor and proceeded to go all out on someone who he, at that time, believed meant him lethal harm.

@citizenbane:

@citizenbane said:

@digitalshooter9 said:

@citizenbane said:

@digitalshooter9: Present for you.

Where is this from? Is it canon? I really don't know.

Batman/Superman #1. It's very much canon. There's also a couple of pages of Superman mercilessly beating the daylights out of a superior Batman, if you're that much of a glutton for punishment.

"If he sneezes I'm dead" lmao

I loved this comic btw, but Superman "beating the daylights out of a superior Batman" doesn't necessarily mean anything imo, that Batman did have the upper hand at first, but he let his guard down. And then the angry and possibly possessed Superman beat him to a pulp

Keep in mind that batman wasnt even trying to fight superman at the first place, and lets get real, it isnt possible for superman to beat up batman without his powers. Even when batman didnt fight back and let superman (without his powers) pummel him starting with a sucker punch, he barely had any blood on the left of his mouth, that IS pathetic considering all the punches superman threw at batman and what batman eneed up with.....

@digitalshooter9: It isn't possible for Batman to stand a chance without prep either. And sure you keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better...

@end_boss Well.

An inexperienced non-prepered de-powered superman(he didn't know about kryptonite then) vs a prepared,experienced parallel universe Batman(who had some info from E2 supes to be prepared?!).Not exactly fair,give some info so people don't misunderstand the panels.
This is my favorite thread on the vine.It's so funny that it should be illegal :-P

@digitalshooter9: a non powered superman beat a super powered batman in the Super-bat arc, look it up.

@squalleon: That was my entire argument with those panels. Another user had taken some images from the same issue out of context as a way of illustrating that Superman would win the fight. I provided those as a way of demonstrating that that issue, with all its time travel and teleportation shenanigans, was simply not a good source to draw on for the "Superman vs. Batman" argument.

@end_boss: Ok then :-)

Whilst you are correct that supes's higher thinking power or brain wouldn't help in a fight. It would help in prep. Don't forget batman can have all the experience he wants but it still comes down to the fact he will be using the same tactics that superman could use if he read everything on strategy ever. I beleive in action comics he preformed a operation perfectly after reading the medical libary in five minutes. Even the docters themselves were astounded by the way he carried out the operation. Prior to this he had no experience whatsoever in medcine, yet he was able conduct a serious operation perfectly with five minutes experience. Likewise the same could be said for statrgy .But in the end it comes down to equipment. Whatever batman builds, it will be human in background [if he dosn't use his miracle powers of PIS to get something else jokes jokes he has very good resources]. Whatever superman will build will be kryptonian or anything else in alien origin that can be better than what bats can build. Case in point; the phantom zone projector which would end the fight before it even began.

which he also stated with prep Superman could read every strategy guide and book on military and personal warfare strategy while Batman is still tying his boots

While i appreciate your argueing that Superman would win i dont think he would have Kryptonian material unless he used his ship as a weapon. Other than that I cant think of where he would come up with Kryptonian material. Thanks to his fortress of solitude he should still have Kryptonian strategy (something Batman has never seen before) and Kryptonian based technologies to build things humans (including Batman would never think possible). And as you stated he could read human battle strategy of all eras of history and be further along than Batman.

You put Superman with Batman's work ethic to perfect himself in every way possible and you have a truly unstoppable force

exactly.

@degraaf: Agreed. Superman with batman's work ethic would be nigh unstoppable. It would be interesting to see.