Posted by Khadija (35 posts) - - Show Bio

I can give a pretty straightforward explanation:

Before WW2 superheroes and pulp heroes were usually independent vigilantes, who might work with the police but usually spent just as much time fighting and avoiding them. They weren't afraid to slap a judge or a mayor around, and would kill thugs almost casually. A major theme of pre-WW2 superhero comics was some villain or another trying to embroil the U.S. in the continental wars.

WW2 changed all that. Superhero comics, in order to be allowed to be printed, were more or less forced to convert into propaganda rags for the American and British murderers. What economic pressure didn't do brain-dead statist ideology did.

Of course, the superheroes killed plenty of Nazis. It was after WW2 when the 'comics code authority' was implemented, essentially similar to the rating system of today; a ridiculous and arbitrary set of rules in order to keep the State from doing something even worse.

It is out of these two events - WW2 and the Comics Code Authority - that we get the superhero who cooperates with the police, has moderately left-wing/pro-democracy political views and doesn't kill people who clearly deserve it. This is also why almost every exception to the rule ends up being a supervillain (Supreme Power comes to mind).

It's so entrenched with the major players in the industry, along with the mainstream leftism that typifies most artists and writers in America or Europe, that it is pretty much impossible to expect a repeal before the copyright scam collapses. A few exceptions exist (Punisher being a noteworthy example), and these are more or less floating aberrations which are ignored by the cognitive dissonance which most people are expert at.

People with any real sense of morality will find this repulsive, of course. Socialist robbery schemes are robbery on a scale beyond that ever contemplated by Rhino. The unwillingness to judge politicians, police and thugs - fatally, if called for - is an abdication of reason and moral choice altogether. It is the unwillingness to face up to facts and reality and to treat vile scum as decent people. As Mr. A says, mercy to the guilty is always at the expense of the victim. Judge, and prepare to be judged.

#1 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (2899 posts) - - Show Bio

@Khadija said:

It is out of these two events - WW2 and the Comics Code Authority - that we get the superhero who cooperates with the police, has moderately left-wing/pro-democracy political views and doesn't kill people who clearly deserve it. This is also why almost every exception to the rule ends up being a supervillain (Supreme Power comes to mind).

You are COMPLETELY wrong about this. I can name a tone of superheroes who don't fit this description.

#2 Edited by Khadija (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@Khadija said:

It is out of these two events - WW2 and the Comics Code Authority - that we get the superhero who cooperates with the police, has moderately left-wing/pro-democracy political views and doesn't kill people who clearly deserve it. This is also why almost every exception to the rule ends up being a supervillain (Supreme Power comes to mind).

You are COMPLETELY wrong about this. I can name a tone of superheroes who don't fit this description.

Perhaps a better way to put this: This is why the big-two main Universes are filled with sissies and moral cowards who are mistakenly called heroes.

Anyway, I didn't intend to post this on the forum because I don't give a damn what you cretins think.

#3 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@NlGHTCRAWLER:

LOL --- this is a joke. Don't take it as anything but one. It's the cretinish thing to do.

#4 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

oh boy, I knew I sensed the smell of something trollish in the morning. And here I was thinking it was the Rock cooking.

I don't really get the whole point of the post, I don't think it really leads to any conclusion other than that superheroes are "sissy" because of WW2 and CBA? whatever...

@Khadija said:

WW2 changed all that. Superhero comics, in order to be allowed to be printed, were more or less forced to convert into propaganda rags for the American and British murderers. What economic pressure didn't do brain-dead statist ideology did.

Can you explain this whole paragraph, specially the bold part? Because I don't really get it

#5 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Khadija: This is just an observation, but so far, have you made a single topic which wasn't basically complaining how the medium isn't right wing and libertarian enough? I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you're a 15 year old who just read Atlas Shrugged and fell in love with it. Correct?

In any case, the idea that Superheroes should take the law into their own hands and be "HARD men making HARD decisions" is, and always has been, crap. The whole point of the rule of law is to stop people from doing that, because doing that is a horrible idea. Yes, the system is flawed. Yes it has problems, but what you're suggesting is to battle corruption and crime with complete rejection of the system itself, which is anarchy. What you're also suggesting is that superheroes discard the moral notions that don't sit right with them (By them, I mean you) and so enforce their (your) own morality on society. Which is another horrible idea, because, you know, tyranny.

For further insight into why this would be a horrible idea, see Rorschach.

#6 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (2899 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER:

LOL --- this is a joke. Don't take it as anything but one. It's the cretinish thing to do.

:/ She called me a cretin...

#7 Posted by Jekylhyde14 (747 posts) - - Show Bio

I applaud your ability to speak your mind. You're right to point out that there was a very serious change to superheroes and the way they dealt with problems post- WW II and comics code. However, I'm confused on how this is all a part of the leftist/socialist philosophy. Most of these changes came about during the Administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower who leaned right. The Comics Code Authority was created in response to Seduction of the Innocent and the US Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency which was created by a Republican Senator (again right-wing politics). The context for all this was McCarthyism and the Red Scare which was about the fear of Communism and Socialism which created the climate that allowed for the restrictions on the comics industry. This is all from American right-wing politics and has little to do with liberalism and socialism. In fact the 1950's arguably was one of the most right-wing decades in American history.

I'll agree that me and my fellow leftists have embraced the ideals of pacifism and have stood against things like the death penalty. I'd like to think this comes more from a place of wanting to see the best in humanity and believing in redemption along with the idea that the law can make mistakes more than being part of a totalitarian regime to destroy the individual and justice.

Again, I'm impressed by your ability to speak your mind and I believe you're obviously intelligent. I just don't buy the idea that this is part of socialist agenda.