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#1  Edited By Mrnoital

A few days ago it was announced that Green Arrows fantastic artist Andrea Sorrentino would be moving to Marvel

He'll start with Uncanny X-Men Annual #1 with Bendis and mentioned there's something else after

(Edit: they added the All-New X-Men Annual, both are supposed to come out in December)

and yesterday on twitter Sorrentino just posted "BAMF!"

this doesn't mean he'll for sure be drawing for Nightcrawler

but it would be nice (I wouldn't have to pick up anything I'm not already buying)

What are your thoughts?

Edit: it's been announced, he's working on Old Man Logan

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Love the guy's art hopefully he does well in whatever series he gets and Marvel gives him some headline titles later on.

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O_O

Please let him do Nightcrawler! C'mon, Marvel! DC has really pissed me off by taking him and Lemire off of Green Arrow. You want to win me over? Let this man draw the fuzzy blue elf!

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#4  Edited By longbowhunter

I was hoping he'd be the artist on a new Dr. Strange ongoing.

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@jaken7: @strider92: I definitely agree, I hope he does well, and I will miss him on Green Arrow

I really think his style should work well with Kurt

@longbowhunter: That would be good too

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#6  Edited By deactivated-5c901e667a76c  Moderator

I might not have dropped Nightcrawler if I knew my second-favorite artist would be drawing it.

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@longbowhunter: Sorrentino drawing a Dr. Strange book, that would be too good to refuse.

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He can do anything and I would give it a 5 issue try out.

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#9  Edited By Wolverine008

He can do anything and I would give it a 5 issue try out.

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#11  Edited By VanderSEXXX

I would definitely pick up Spider-Man again should he replace Ramos, now we find a better writer than Slott. lolz But yes I would pick up Doc. Strange should he be the penciller for that book.

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#12  Edited By deactivated-5c901e667a76c  Moderator

@jaken7: Ross Campbell. Here's an example of his work for IDW's TMNT:

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(Sorry for the late reply. My notifications haven't been working for the past few hours.)

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@xwraith: Ah, very cool. I see that he isn't very traditionally "comic booky." That's awesome, and he has a really unique art style. My #1 fav also has a distinct way of drawing.

I mean, I like Jim Lee as much as the next guy, but putting him at the top of a personal list just seems rather...expected. I also feel like his art can get boring after awhile.

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#14  Edited By Transformers1024

Put him on a Nightcrawler or Dr. Strange Book ASAP!!

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@jaken7: So now I'll ask you, who's your favorite?

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@xwraith: Oh! Silly me hehe.

It's Sean Murphy. I'm on mobile, so no pics. :/

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#17  Edited By deactivated-5c901e667a76c  Moderator

@jaken7: Don't worry, I just Googled him.

Have you seen his "Wolverine ABC's"?

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YUPP! ^_^

Want it as a poster. :3

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@xwraith: ^^^^

I iz stoopid and no tagged u.

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#20  Edited By Darling_Luna

Meh

Nightcrawler, meh*is trolling jake*

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I would love to see Nightcrawler come to life under Sorrentino's pencilling. I can't wait for the Ucanny X-Men Annual.

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@ms-lola: Yeah I think it would be great

the x-men annual should be real good too

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not really

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#24  Edited By Mrnoital

bump, today he tweeted

"just sketched the cover for my second Marvel thing.... (but don't ask me anything else!) ;)"

any guesses on what it might be?

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#25  Edited By Mrnoital

bump

he's working on 2 x-men annuals and something after that he can't talk about

any guesses on what it is?

(also it would be nice if someone commented so I could bump this whenever he announces what he's doing)

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@mrnoital: Commented just for you:), I expect we'll get an announcement at New York Comic-Con.

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@jaken7 said:

O_O

Please let him do Nightcrawler! C'mon, Marvel! DC has really pissed me off by taking him and Lemire off of Green Arrow. You want to win me over? Let this man draw the fuzzy blue elf!

Please let this happen, Marvel!

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so he said he was "hoping for some NY announcements, but it was not time yet"

any guesses before it does get announced, or when it'll get announced?

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well he clearly knows what he's working on and is enjoying it, but still can't tell us

https://twitter.com/And_Sorrentino/status/532185386022600704

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Maybe Hawkeye will reunite him and Jeff?

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Glad he is coming to Marvel. I don't delve too much into the X side of the universe, but his art is usually worth the price of admission so I might check it out.

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@xwraith: that would be pretty awesome, and also a slap in the face of dc, but I'd have no choice but to buy it

also Marcelo Maiolo has been working with sorrentino on his x-men titles, and I assume will continue on his on-going series, as much as I like Sorrentinos black and whites, Maiolo add so much with his colouring, and I love to see that they're still working together

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#33  Edited By deactivated-5c901e667a76c  Moderator

@mrnoital: I took another look, and found out that the artist for Lemire's Hawkeye has already been announced. It's someone named Ramon Perez.

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#35  Edited By Mrnoital

Next week Andrea Sorrentino make his Marvel debut with Uncanny X-Men, and All-New X-Men comes on Christmas Eve

he's currently working on the cover for his "CLASSIFIED" project, so hopefully it will be announced once he's done

any guesses?

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Eh..I know I'm a minority, but I hate his art. To me, it looks like sketches with lots of shadow and colors splashed on them to cover up that he can't draw. His faces have close to zero detail, with most everyone having the same flat, featureless nose, eyes and head shape. I have no idea why people like this guy.

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#37  Edited By Mrnoital

@manwhohaseverything:

try taking a look at these previews, one of the big reasons I like him is his amazing use of negative space (which you clearly don't like) and he usually does awesome work and scenes/locations, costumes, and page layouts

http://marvel.com/news/comics/23656/take_a_journey_through_time_space_in_uncanny_x-men_annual_1

http://comicbook.com/2014/11/25/exclusive-marvel-preview-all-new-x-men-annual-1/#Image1

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@mrnoital said:

@manwhohaseverything:

try taking a look at these previews, one of the big reasons I like him is his amazing use of negative space (which you clearly don't like) and he usually does awesome work and scenes/locations, costumes, and page layouts

http://marvel.com/news/comics/23656/take_a_journey_through_time_space_in_uncanny_x-men_annual_1

http://comicbook.com/2014/11/25/exclusive-marvel-preview-all-new-x-men-annual-1/#Image1

Yeah..no offense, it's all mere opinions, but I still don't like it. The backgrounds have close to no detail (just like his faces). That skyline background for example. A bunch of rectangles of various sizes with some yellow on them to simulate lights. While that's not uncommon in comics, I like artist that make the buildings look like...buildings, which means more than drawing rectangles.How about building with a more oblong or wider shape scattered in? A building that's a church or something with a spire? How about one that's more like a square? His art simply looks lazy to me. Now, I'm not an art critic and maybe I don't "get' what he does, but as the old saying goes, I do know what I like.

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#39  Edited By Mrnoital

@manwhohaseverything: you're right, it is all about opinion

but when you have an avatar from Justice League Unlimited, I have to ask what you think is good art, cause I would say that cartoons art was much more lazy, at least imo

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#40  Edited By JonnytheWolf

Don't like sorrentino much. i don't mind if people trace ( in fact I like to do so myself ) but some of his just seem very lazy. What he is good at though is composing the picture. But sometimes it seems like he just doesn't put in the effort...maybe it's the deadlines.

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#41  Edited By Mrnoital

@jonnythewolf: he's not a tracer, here's some works he did at a comic con in Paris

https://twitter.com/Arnaud_Douhard/status/537342179757531136/photo/1

https://twitter.com/And_Sorrentino/status/537267485498941440/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Xiring8/status/537265340984852480/photo/1

try doing some research next time

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@mrnoital said:

@manwhohaseverything: you're right, it is all about opinion

but when you have an avatar from Justice League Unlimited, I have to ask what you think is good art, cause I would say that cartoons art was much more lazy, at least imo

The avatar was chosen because it's from the JLU version of "For the Man who has Everything" so it matches my username. Not because I think it's "great art" As for art I do like: Neal Adams, Mark Buckingham, Keith Giffen before he got "stylistic", George Perez, Mike Deodato, Nicola Scott, Ivan Reis.

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@mrnoital said:

@jonnythewolf: he's not a tracer, here's some works he did at a comic con in Paris

https://twitter.com/Arnaud_Douhard/status/537342179757531136/photo/1

https://twitter.com/And_Sorrentino/status/537267485498941440/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Xiring8/status/537265340984852480/photo/1

try doing some research next time

I have. I seriously doubt those were drawn freehand, the signature is in pen and the drawing is penciled. I have seen many artists draw in person, and have been drawing myself since I was a child.

If you want to see what real freehand talent is..look at kim jung gi etc..

Sorrentino is a tracer and it's not necessarily meant as a negative. Look at his work on God of War, he practically just photoshopped pictures. He's just gotten better at it. Now I definitely feel he uses Illustrator to live trace stuff and thats it. He might add some things to people like beards or articles of clothing but when he does it's very lazy and he doesn't use any brushes on his lines, they look like 1pt solid generic illustrator lines.

Here is a look at what live trace looks like in adobe illustrator :

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here is a sorrentino:

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**** Notice all the little crackly parts around where the shadows usually go. This is just one example but most of his work is like this. Those marks and texture only come from live tracing. He is adding stuff for sure though. But I'm not sure how much. Like i said sometimes it's obvious what he adds, like beards or hair. He has his process down by now.

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#44  Edited By Mrnoital

@jonnythewolf: I just showed you work he did in pencil and you still say he just takes pictures into photoshop or adobe

or course there aren't brush strokes, it's inked and coloured, usually by a different artist, but inking alone usually covers that up

you don't seem to know much about the process of making comics

take another look at those examples I showed above, he has those crackly parts that he did himself cause he is very good at what he does, just cause you can't do it, doesn't me he can't

in case you're new there's several steps in art, outlines, definition, and shading, all of which are very noticeable in his art

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@mrnoital said:

@jonnythewolf: I just showed you work he did in pencil and you still say he just takes pictures into photoshop or adobe

or course there aren't brush strokes, it's inked and coloured, usually by a different artist, but inking alone usually covers that up

you don't seem to know much about the process of making comics

take another look at those examples I showed above, he has those crackly parts that he did himself cause he is very good at what he does, just cause you can't do it, doesn't me he can't

in case you're new there's several steps in art, outlines, definition, and shading, all of which are very noticeable in his art

You should also learn a lil bit about comics. They can be digitally inked and colored and it's not always by different people.

You should also watch some other artists draw free hand. I'm not talking about brush strokes either. I have first hand experience with adobe illustrator and photoshop, around 10+ years. I know a live trace when I see one.

Also look in all your Green Arrow books: tell me if you see an inker mentioned.

On every website, CBR, CV, DC wiki, the only artist is Sorrentino with a colorist. No inkers mentioned. Which makes sense because he's live tracing and working in Illustrator.

Also there are several steps to art sure...none of those are noticeable in his interiors, which is fine but also those examples you showed, could have been easily traced on a light table.

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#46  Edited By Jonny_Anonymous

This man needs to be on Daredevil

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#47  Edited By Mrnoital

@jonnythewolf:

you actually think that every single thing he has ever drawn was directly traced, over his time on i Vampire and Green Arrow? including the hand drawn images which you seem to claim he made to throw off that he only uses photoshop

at this point I can't tell if you're trolling or just dense

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#48  Edited By wimble23

I would still like to see him take over Nightcrawler. I think he could highlight his movements in fights extremely well. I will read almost anything he does though.

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#49  Edited By Mrnoital

@wimble23: I noticed that there's no preview for Nightcrawler #11 on Marvels website, I'm thinking either a new team takes over, or it's cancelled

I'm hoping for the former

but lots of titles aren't giving previews for next year

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#50  Edited By JonnytheWolf

@mrnoital said:

@jonnythewolf:

you actually think that every single thing he has ever drawn was directly traced, over his time on i Vampire and Green Arrow? including the hand drawn images which you seem to claim he made to throw off that he only uses photoshop

at this point I can't tell if you're trolling or just dense

Yes I do. Is that so hard to believe? Now you're the one sounding dense. Also resorting to ad hominem....wow..so you have no argument at all huh?

Look, the only way to get those edges on the shadows, the ones in my examples, is through the computer program adobe illustrator and through a tool called 'live trace'. Go ahead. Google it. If you don't know it. Which I assume you don't because it's basically irrefutable evidence that he uses it.

Also I asked you to look in your Green Arrow books and tell me if it says there is an inker?...No response yet.

Also I asked you if you had seen Sorrentino's God of War? No response.

I'm not even sure if you're a real fan now.

So here's another example of using reference material and ...sort of tracing. Not by your favorite artist so you can be unbiased about it's feasibility.

It's from Brian K Vaughn's Ex Machina and by artist Tony Harris, I have this tpb and in the back they show you how it was done.

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Now you see..just as I said with Sorrentino, Harris adds stuff, changes some backgrounds...but pretty much the whole...50 issue series was done like this.