Sonic vs Flash (racing)

@transformers1024: Sonic

@drake01:

I can't upload scans for some reason but just look in my recent images. I also just realized that the Universe was 3x the size of the Universe we have now.

Well its been proven that sonic goes less than 40 miles per hour so...

@ssj2gohan: I i'm gonna show you proof sonic is faster than the speed of light in his base form. And is faster than the flash.

sonic actually moves faster than light on a regular basis http://s188.photobucket.com/user/thekon/media/Sonic%20the%20Comic/Lightning.jpg.html

-Sonic mentions him being able to time travel (through speed) http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2009/07/sonic0727.jpg -

Sonic can dodge lasers from Point Blank range.

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Dodges automatic gunfire, disarms assailants FTE and then promptly kicks their asses 12

Takes apart a robot FTE and poses it just to drive Robotnik mad

Moves 2x the speed of light

Can move so fast he can create after images 12

Runs fast enough to counteract an alien weapon called the "Quantum dial" a bomb that rips apart space time to create a black hole 123

Can spin so fast he becomes invisible

Runs at warp speed 3 times

Here Running at Warp-Sonic Speed

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/SonicKMC/WarpSpeed.jpg

And here running at warp speed again

http://imgur.com/YMA1LzN

And again running at warp speed

Enters the freedom fighter HQ so fast he can watch himself on the security cameras

Sonic moves so fast he vibrates his molecules into a different dimension http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/11111/111112784/3053468-22%5B2%5D.jpg -

- Modern sonic runs across the cosmic interstate in a few minutes http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130328220910/sonic/images/2/2b/Cosmic_Highway.jpg While a small portion of it is 148,000 light years http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/921/sonicthehedgehogissue19.jpg (he ran across millions of universes in a few hours)

Here sonic moves so much faster than light to a degree where he is quicker than his own shadow.

In Sonic the Comic: Hyper Sonic #134: Something about 2 missiles on opposite ends of continents about to hit. He pushed himself to his extreme limit, and really straned himself, entering a realm where time was stopped. He then proceeded to take out the threats in no time. After this, he had trouble getting out of this accelerated mode and was nearly stuck permemantly , until he found how to slow himself down to get out of it. So basically, sonic moved at the speed of infinite, because he was moving from one location to another in NO TIME.

Chaos control: another reason why sonic wins. And sonic can freeze time under his own speed

@wardemon32: Fun fact: Sonic is actually considered one of the fastest characters in fiction. He's even faster than the Flash. He is classified as "unlimited speed". The only other character that fall under this category are Zoom(the Yellow Flash). Even though this has been proven, popular belief and fandom still believe the Flash is the faster fictional character of all time...even though Zoom, a character in his own comic is faster than Flash.

look it up. Flash has limits. DC has even pointed it out. Sega has stated Sonic has no limits...also Sonic moved so fast once he was at the beginning of time, the current time and the end of time which is some thing zoom hasn't even accomplished. So yeah...he's faster than flash when it comes to moving from place to place.

If this is comic sonic, Sonic easily. If this was video game sonic, flash stomps.

Base versions? Flash.

Sonic is probably faster than Flash as Super Sonic.

Ian Flynn, the current head writer of the Archie Sonic Comics, has stated comicbook Sonic is just as fast as games Sonic, not faster. This applies to the reboot, and its likely also the case with the previous versions. The problem comes because Sonic's speed has never really been stated and its never been consistent. He's simply as fast as the plot/gameplay demands.

The earlier issues of Archie Comics where Sonic spins around fast enough to become invisible or shadow boxes with himself by moving faster than light, and what not ARE NOT CANON. Ian Flynn has stated that these issues took place when the Freedom Fighters were little kids, and so the weird jokes and comedy in these issues would later be retconned as just a child's overactive imagination. The early issues also had Robotnik inventing a shrink machine, and "Auntie Bodies" that were little old ladies that lived inside the Freedom Fighters, and stuff like that. Are we going to start assuming that that is also canon? You might as well be using feats from Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog or Sonic Boom (Ugh).

@superadam: Then that's werid because once Sonic reached limit less speed. I don't have the scan, but it was when he was ''Green-eyed''. Also, he has escaped a black hole and ran FTL (In his base form) before in the comics when they weren't focused on humor and started to be more serious. Sonic never ran FTL before in the games (Not in his normal form at least).

Its sort of the same problem with early Superman. Sonic's top speed has never been defined. And his speeds constantly change depending on what the writers and designers want. So we end up with these weird scenes where Sonic outruns a black hole or runs faster than light and stuff. Its really a case of Sega not defining their character very well to the people at Archie. But, in canon, current comics Sonic is just as fast as games Sonic. Current Archie canon is extremely similar to the game canon, too, since the reboot.

The Game Theorist calculated that Sonic can't even run at the speed of spound, whereas Flash can run FTL.

@superadam: Well then to be specific, Comic sonic before the reboot should take this. Also, the whole thing about sonic being as fast as the plot demands, Flash has that same thing. So, I'm gonna say they both have limit-less speed, but I'll give it to sonic since he can turn super or hyper which will make him even faster. P.S. on this board there is a guy saying sega themselves said sonic has no limits and apparently in the comics he ran so fast he went into the beginning of time. I doubt that was before the comics got more serious since that will seem like too much of a serious story for a humor based sonic comic.

@loaded_revolver: lol true cause flash can break the time barrier and sonic can only brak the sound barrier,flash beaks,Time,sound and runs faster than the speed of light and sonic can only break sound barrier so flash is way faster than sonic. Oh yea and if sonic uses the chaos emeralds flash still wins cause sonic can't fly faster than time but flash can break the time berried and if u don't think it's true look up Flash point paradox.

@hocko1999_virus:

Game Theory debunkage

Also check out one of the episodes of "why Mario is mental", MatPat mentions later in the vid about his theory about Sonic being slow is wrong.

Debunkage:*: so you really think Game Theory is correct, wow, still supporting it even though it is officially debunked, here is these facts, i said earlier, Gameplay Mechanics & Plot Devices aren't the way to go, there is alot of reasons we have them in series.

#1: So the story & plot line can seem interesting & make it more fun/good.

#2: Gameplay Mechanics/Gimmicks aren't trusted since it is used to balance games, like Sonic being only the speed of sound, not really his top speed since Sonic Team is only trying to make the game playable, & rings are not canonically needed for anything.

#3: Game Theory just took the first Sonic game & put Sonic Unleashed (Gameplay Mechanics), aka, "Gimmicks", aren't canon, kids, & Game Theory fucked up there irrelevant calculation, Sonic's top speed is unknown & immeasurable.

#4: Game Theory doesn't even know jackshit about Sonic.

#5: Game Theory isn't even facts, just a theory. But the theory has been debunked.

#6: Game Theory forgot/ignored the mentions, Sonic's light speed feats, his light speed dash & light speed attack & what about those! They forgot/ignored most stuff Sonic had.

7: Game Theory needs to do there research before making such a dumb & obviously inaccurate theory.

Here is where i kick your face down to the ground

Sonic's top speed

"Sonic is a hedgehog that goes the speed of sound & it was stated in Sonic X Episode 1 (Tv Sonic)", they never onced stated he was, & using something non-canon isn't going to do anything to my points. "Sega said Game Sonic is only the speed of sound". No, they said Sonic was CLOCKED the speed of sound during gameplay, not he only goes the speed of sound, also Sonic can go light speed in base form, proof:

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https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/CH783wW4Lfm

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https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/heEMMNvezBD

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https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/8jyPCojVE8D

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https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/ZvoPutBV4gM

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https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/DSGS42fWc24

He is confirmed FTL in his profile in the guidebooks:https://plus.google.com/100597282694639147636/posts/3Tu4fqat98E

Yuji Naka stated the Sonic Series was all about light speed action:https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/7L6azuQAHGv

Also there is alot more links i could give you showing the majority knows Sonic canonically goes light speed at base form & even the orginal dev said it, & Yahoo Answers even says Sonic is light speed at base form, it says it everywhere, i'm just getting started.

Sonic outran a black hole for 36 secs in Sonic Colours & Sonic wasn't at full power dodging falling floors!

http://youtu.be/KS4fKsJp9VQ

Outran Chaos Control.

http://youtu.be/a5Gsil0ys0Q

Which his capable of allowing Shadow can still do his Chaos Attacks & Time & Space manipulation.

Also on Sonic Colours DS, Omega made calculations from Sonic and remarked that light speed would be exceeded by him, and Sonic replied that light speed is too slow for him.

Beat the Omega misson with an S Rank 2 times.

https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/AcAbh18YR21

On Sonic Rush, he even runs though dimensions (like the special stage, Sonic go to the special stage) if he wants to get Chaos Emeralds:

http://youtu.be/HOtY334UhkM

°(Special Generators are obviously Gameplay Mechanics), since you play as other characters, you don't see a special generator, it is not mentioned anywhere, the info is too low about the generator, & it has no continuity. It is there for purposes of not going though dimensions by accident & so it can actually take skill for the player, it is like saying Ramps, Pingballs, etc, are all over deserts, streets, oceans are canon, which isn't canon°

It was deemed the Special Stages are a alternate realty where the emeralds are.

Sonic beat Shadow with him constantly teleporting in front of him:

http://youtu.be/VDv3o8SXpec

Sonic breaks the speed barrier:

https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/cWSC3UfoXyU

Outran teleportation on Sonic Generations 3DS.

http://youtu.be/T7wYOAqU180

Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 even shows & says Sonic can go light speed with his light speed dash & light speed attack:

http://youtu.be/ABvCLVh8SHg

http://youtu.be/2eepEmBvfag

Also, Light Speed Attack is like light Speed Dash, but it allows Sonic to attack light speed.

Sonic can even lap/jog around the planet with ease he asked/mentioned on Sonic Generations 3DS:

https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/5N5yZR35HaN

Dodged multiple lasers;

https://youtu.be/U_8kp8wC93M

Sonic can outrun the light speed dash it's self with a boost on Sonic Unleashed since the LSD (which is stated to be light speed) is 396 SPD, & Sonic Boost is 2,800 SPD, so Sonic must be far greater than light with his boost, even Sonic Colours & Sonic Rush proves this with the FTL feats with Sonic Boost.

Sonic doesn't need to rely on rings to do the light speed dash, it is Gameplay Mechanics. & Sonic doesn't need to charge his Spin Dash anymore shown in Sonic Adventure 2.

Tails even said Sonic's speed alone can accelerate though time & fix space on Sonic Generations:https://plus.google.com/116814294732214476853/posts/TMUkfUXq2LJ

When Sonic did a mission for Espio by running around Planet Wisp, Espio remarked that he didn't even see Sonic when he came back (and with Espio running at hypersonic speeds and still being able to see clearly, his ninjutsu, and him being a chameleon in general, Sonic must have gone pretty fast: http://youtu.be/Z_elCqZ-LD0

Sonic remarked that he's faster than a Hyperactive Cyan Laser (Lasers go at the speed of light & Tails remarked it acts like a real laser) & he caught one:http://youtu.be/WP_nfUP99p8

But his top speed is unknown.

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Downplayer Debunkage about Sonic being only sound speed

"The songs say Sonic is the speed of sound", no, it says rolling around at the speed of sound 'cause it is catchy & Sonic was going light speed on Sonic Colours & was stated to be it, this debunks you using songs as a argument. Confirmations are what the devs state, but music, no. You are saying on Sonic Colours is all about reaching the stars but the line was added 'cause it was catchy, same with speed of sound.

"Sonic was stated to be sound speed", lol, Sega never once state his top speed, they said in Gameplay Sonic was clocked the speed of sound, this isn't even Sonic's top speed, Yuji Naka stated the Sonic series was about light speed action. Also some Sonic games, it was shown & stated Sonic is light speed.

"All i see is him breaking the sound barrier!", lol, it is Gameplay Mechanics so you can actually control the game & the sound speed effect just so you can see the character & you can hear what everything is saying, this is like saying Super Sonic is not light speed 'cause you see the sound barrier effect but with a slienter noise & you can hear everything clearly, & you assume he is slower but you proved that it was for effect, effects from Gameplay Mechanics are not how you tell a fictonal characters speed & when Super Sonic outran a Enhanced Blackhole, Time Stop, etc. This proves the "All i see is Sonic breaking the sound barrier" argument is irrelevant. & incorrect.

"The devs are wrong", this is the stupidest thing i have heard from people, the devs made Sonic can say whatever they want about him & make it happen, if they say he is light speed, then he is.

Debunking the typical "LIGHT SPEED DASH & LIGHT SPEED ATTACK IS NOT LIGHT SPEED!!! 1!1!

It was stated the Light Speed Dash & Light Speed Attack was light speed, Downplayers are just funny, Tikal stated it was light speed, the game, etc.

Also debunking LSD & LSA is Gameplay Mechanics

This is the stupidest one, shown in Sonic Adventure, you needed the LSD to beat some levels, the LSD was even mentioned by a character. This proves LSD is not Gameplay Mechanics.

Also in other games they are other abilites that are not mentioned in the story & is canon.

Debunking Rings are canon argument

The most stupidest one.

Rings are gimmicks, shown in many Sonic games, Sonic & Shadow hit each other in a Sonic Adventure 2 cutscene, & they never dropped rings, also Rings never shown a effect in the story & 50 Rings to turn super? Lol, Sonic can turn super without rings, it never mentioned you need 50 rings & emeralds to turn super, all you need is emeralds. Also debunking the gag on Sonic Generations, where Tails mentions Rings, is just a reference, a gag to the Main Gimmick of Sonic, shown Sonic Generations is just an anniversary game, is going to have gags & what not.

Debunking mass going Light Speed is not possible

This is just plain retarded, Sonic is fictional, Sonic was shown alot of times to go Light Speed, hell, do any of you watch Star Wars? There ships are bigger than Sonic & go light speed, lmao.

@drake01: About four fifth of what you posted was irrelevant to my previous comment.

Anyways, I admittedly don't really know enough about Sonic to comment. When I posted that I never considered the idea the gameplay is not canon.

Have a good life.

@hocko1999_virus: Sorry

Hard one to choose, Sonic is absurdly Fast like Flash and possibly faster but Flash can be able to steal speed from others

Sonic is faster than the flash. Read my post i showed nothing but proof. Make sure you guys read all of them.

@wardemon32: I am gonna tell you flash fans my reason i think sonic is faster in his base form. This time i am gonna get in more detail. really read all of it. it proves sonic is faster than the flash.

Sonic could instantly accelerate faster than the speed of sound with ease as shown in sonic x episode 1.

In Sonic Adventure DX manual it states that ''He's the world's fastest, hypersonic hedgehog'' which is at a staggering speed of 3,840 mph .

In Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes and in Sonic generations, Sonic can move at the speed of light, as seen by his specific light speed set of moves. Those moves include the light speed dash and light speed attack.

In super interactive annual 2014 sonic the hedgehog book in his profile in the guidebooks. It states that sonic runs faster than the speed of light.

In Sonic Colors (DS) E-123 Omega himself calculated that Sonic's speed is beyond the speed of light also infinite and unmeasurable.

In Sonic the Comic: Hyper Sonic #134: Something about 2 missiles on opposite ends of continents about to hit. He pushed himself to his extreme limit, and really straned himself, entering a realm where time was stopped. He then proceeded to take out the threats in no time. After this, he had trouble getting out of this accelerated mode and was nearly stuck permemantly , until he found how to slow himself down to get out of it. So basically, sonic moved at the speed of infinite, because he was moving from one location to another in NO TIME.

Sorry flash fans but i just proved sonic is faster than the flash. The flash has a speed limit sonic has none. Also sonic will win in a death battle to. Sonic wins my reason is if there in sonic world. The flash can't access the speed force. and if sonic is in the dc universe sonic still wins. Because the chaos force has more power than the speed force. The chaos force is stated in the comics to have unlimited power. Sorry flash fanboys

flash leaves him in the dust

Comic sonic wins.

flash makes sonic eat his dust lol

Flash

Sonic has outran time... multiple times. Sonic CD anybody? In that the MAIN OBJECTIVE was to make sonic run back in time and into the future to insure a good future. And don't get me started about the comics. Now, coming from a long time flash fan (have been reading flash comics for 6 years now), it's pretty arguable who's faster, knowing that flash outran time and death itself, but many of sonic's feats come close as well. The sonic comics are canon. SEGA stated that they are canon and were created to expand the sonic universe and to give sonic a larger series. But game sonic is good enough to compete with flash. So, who has a higher top speed?

Well, let's start with flash. Flash in general is known to be able to run at the speed of light, and if he can push himself hard enough, he can easily surpass it. Then there's the ability where he can outrun even TIME itself! But how fast do you need to be to outrun time? Well, not much faster than light. Once you travel at the speed of light, time comes to a full stop, and time is still around you. So, obviously to outrun it, you need to go slightly faster than light. So.... yeah. But how much faster than light can flash run? Well, in the comics it stated that straining every muscle in his body, he was able to run 10x the speed of light, but later on when he repeated this same event in infinite crisis, but when he tried to push himself to run even faster, he died. Yep. So it's safe to say that flash has a limit.

So Sonic? Well it's in the name. He's faster than sound. But is that really his top speed? Not close. Sonic has been stated to be the fastest thing alive, and Sega even said themselves that sonic was created to compete with gaming mascot Mario and was created for the soul purpose of being the fastest fictional character alive. So what did they do to make this true? Let's look at sonic's feats. Yes he runs faster than sound, we know that. But how much faster can sonic run? Well for starters,

Sonic the Hedgehog, on average, is known to run faster than the speed of sound. sonic could instantly accelerate faster than the speed of sound with ease as shown in sonic x episode 1. he could increase his speed by using his Super Peel-Out technique. as shown in Sonic the hedgehog cd, Sonic Chaos, Sonic Triple Trouble, and Sonic Blast. It is also stated in the Sonic Adventure DX manual that ''He's the world's fastest, hypersonic hedgehog'' which is at a staggering speed of 3,840 mph. Sonic can move at the speed of light. as shown in Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes and in sonic generations. In those games sonic has specific light speed set of moves. the light speed dash and light speed attack. Since Sonic Heroes, he can perform the light attack fast and didn't need to charge anymore. for the dash, he no longer needs to charge as of sonic adventure 2. The Light Speed Dash returns in Sonic Generations as one of Modern Sonic's normal abilities. ". In Sonic CD "Using his unrivaled speed, Sonic managed to travel through time and ensure a good future for the Little Planet." that's only BASE Sonic just using his speed to travel through time. Basically, sonic ran fast enough to outrun TIME. So obviously he had to move faster than light, Omega also stated in Sonic Colors (DS) that with Sonic's current progress, he would surpass the speed of light.'' And that sonic’s speed is so fast it can’t be calculated. In the Archie Comics, in the early going sonic moved so much faster than light to a degree where he is quicker than his own shadow., . by vibrating his molecules at super-speed, Sonic can break free of chains and can create a force-field. In sonic the comic: Hyper Sonic #134: Something about 2 missiles on opposite ends of continents about to hit. He pushed himself to his extreme limit, and really strained himself, entering a realm where time was stopped. He then proceeded to take out the threats in no time. After this, he had trouble getting out of this accelerated mode and was nearly stuck permanently , until he found how to slow himself down to get out of it. So basically, sonic moved at the speed of infinite, because he was moving from one location to another in NO TIME. sonic has different forms of speed, regular, super, ultra, hyper, sonic can also hit warp zones and use chaos control (with an emerald). Chaos Control : CC is a completely different level, you could "try" assigning a speed to a few of the times they use it in certain ways, but not really. For STARTS , CC allows teleporting,warping of space and time,generally anything related to what i just mentioned(like time travel and dimension hopping) so... seriously? a measure of speed? lol. Super Sonic transformation- In one of the sonic comic issues, Sonic ran towards knuckles at such insane speed (and was stated as "unmeasurable speed"), sonic ripped through the fabric of time and space, and accidentally destroyed the universe. Sonic the hedgehog is beyond his top speed is immeasurable it's unknown. Finishing up: The Archie feat lets him move at anywhere in no time which equates to infinite

speed due to that factor. And that was him in his BASE form. He could just use CC and 'time stop' to get that^ or externally, seriously Stop Time for all, (Sonic X), but he prefers his speed over CC. Sonic the hedgehog is beyond the speed of light his top speed is immeasurable it's unknown.

So.. in conclusion, Both characters are fast, but flash has shown many limits, while sonic has shown that he has no limits at all, and can run as fast as well,,, he needs to be. Sonic was created for the purpose of being the fastest fictional character alive, and that's the way it's gonna be.

The fastest character is Sonic.

Sonic is faster in all forms

Sonic runs less than 40mph?? LMAO

@kwasid2k: lol I know that you are joking

Sonic

Flash has godspeed, gg sonic.

@viral4343: Sonic is a force of nature. He is the speed force. Sonic-->Flash.

Flash

This thread has given me cancer.

All the posts about Sonic running past the speed of light and time traveling. Flash basically started that. Hell, i even saw one post saying that Sonic was faster because he can easily pass the speed of SOUND!! HELL! Even Quicksilver can do that! Every speedster in the top 100 can easily do that. Basically. People are taking amped feats from Sonic but aren't willing to take amped feats from Flash.

Almost everything Sonic has done, Flash has done. And probably better tbh.

Why is this even still a thing after all this time?

Flash. He's passed every barrier there is - sound, light, time/space, reality and enters the Speed Force at the drop of a hat. Even IF Sonic was to get anywhere near him, Flash would Speed Steal and leave the hedgehog bouncing across the ocean at mach 1 while he laps him about 10000 more times.

It's DC canon that Flash is faster than Superman, and Superman's faster than Sonic as well. There's nothing Sonic could do that Flash couldn't do easily.

Flash has ran for thousands of years through time and out ran DEATH!

This is an ability the Flash can use due to the Speed Force -

• Super-Speed – Traveling at any speed one believes they can move at. Traveling at any speed one BELIEVES they CAN move at.

Other abilities the Flash can use because of the SF-

• Age Manipulation - A user can control the progression of time around others or themselves restoring ones youth or withering them into old age. (Just age Sonic to death.)
• Molecular Acceleration - cause enough molecular agitation within matter to create an explosive reaction. (Make Sonic go BOOM!)

Flash for the win.

my room is covered in sonic stuff and even i admit some sonic fans are out of control. Some idiot necro'd this and brought it back up.

So.. in conclusion, Both characters are fast, but flash has shown many limits, while sonic has shown that he has no limits at all, and can run as fast as well,,, he needs to be. Sonic was created for the purpose of being the fastest fictional character alive, and that's the way it's gonna be.

The fastest character is Sonic.

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yeah no limits....except for the issue that shows he has in fact limits....his limit is a slow ass mech apparently.

the post is a month old i know, but my weakness is people talking out of their buttholes.

im out.

@w0nd: You proved nothing sonic the hedgehogs top speed is unknown and immeasurable and i got proof read everything i say and pay attention. Proof sonic is faster than the flash

Well, let's start with flash. Flash in general is known to be able to run at the speed of light, and if he can push himself hard enough, he can easily surpass it. Then there's the ability where he can outrun even TIME itself! But how fast do you need to be to outrun time? Well, not much faster than light. Once you travel at the speed of light, time comes to a full stop, and time is still around you. So, obviously to outrun it, you need to go slightly faster than light. So.... yeah. But how much faster than light can flash run? Well, in the comics it stated that straining every muscle in his body, he was able to run 10x the speed of light, but later on when he repeated this same event in infinite crisis, but when he tried to push himself to run even faster, he died. Yep. So it's safe to say that flash has a limit.

So Sonic? Well it's in the name. He's faster than sound. But is that really his top speed? Not close. Sonic has been stated to be the fastest thing alive, and Sega even said themselves that sonic was created to compete with gaming mascot Mario and was created for the soul purpose of being the fastest fictional character alive. So what did they do to make this true? Let's look at sonic's feats. Yes he runs faster than sound, we know that. But how much faster can sonic run? Well for starters,

In Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes and in Sonic generations, Sonic can move at the speed of light, as seen by his specific light speed set of moves. Those moves include the light speed dash and light speed attack.

Proof sonic the hedgehog runs faster than the speed of light.

1. In super interactive annual 2014 sonic the hedgehog book in his profile in the guidebooks. It states that sonic runs faster than the speed of light.

2. Sonic can outrun the light speed dash it's self with a boost on Sonic Unleashed since the LSD (which is stated to be light speed) is 396 SPD, & Sonic Boost is 2,800 SPD, This shows that Base Sonic can run up to Seven times faster than light, so Sonic must be far greater than light with his boost.

3. On Sonic Colors DS, Omega calculated that sonic's speed is so high it cant be calculated and Omega remarked that light speed would be exceeded by him, and Sonic replied that light speed is too slow for him.

4. In Sonic Lost World, while fighting the Eggrobo(Lost World), Sonic was able to outrun a Black Hole

5. Sonic is capable of tanking a Hyper Go On Energy based black hole unharmed making his Durability Multi-Star Level since it was expanding to suck up multiple stars(also he was in the Black Hole longer before the Wisp saved him and even tho he was knocked out he still tanked it because that black hole was destroying everything it grabs and Sonic didnt get destroyed) and he temporarily outran it making him Faster than the Speed of Light

6. In sonic colors ds, Sonic has speed that excels that of the cyan wisp. Pretty casually, if I might add. The cyan wisp go at the speed of a laser making sonic faster than the speed of light.

7. In sonic and the secret rings Sonic is capable of travelling between universes: "Ran endlessly until he found his way back to his own world". That right there is universal travel since he WAS stuck in a parallel universe. And even if you want to low ball this saying their universes are Galaxy sized, Sonic would still be around a hundred thousand times the speed of light if he took a year to get back.

8. In Sonic and the black Knight he killed about 500 enemies in 1 second. Sonic and Merlina(the chick in the game) were surrounded by ennemies which were fully protected by armour and had large knives. Sonic said"Don't worry, Im used to this kind of stuff". Sonic was actually eating chillydogs during this battle. He threw the chillidog in the air, and then he ran so fast, he apparently broke the sound barrier and the light barrier and turned invisible. In place of Sonic you can just see a line of windy dust smashing through the ennemies and exploding them. Merlina turned around... and saw Sonic standing there with the chillidog in his hand!

This is what happened: Sonic tossed the chillidog in the air, and ran so fast he annihalted all the ennemies in the fraction of a second, and caught the chillidog in the other hand.

8. In sonic lost world sonic outran a laser in the casino level.

9. In Sonic CD "Using his unrivaled speed, Sonic managed to travel through time and ensure a good future for the Little Planet." that's only BASE Sonic just using his speed to travel through time. Basically, sonic ran fast enough to outrun TIME. So obviously he had to move faster than light.

10. In Sonic the Comic: Hyper Sonic #134: Something about 2 missiles on opposite ends of continents about to hit. He pushed himself to his extreme limit, and really straned himself, entering a realm where time was stopped. He then proceeded to take out the threats in no time. After this, he had trouble getting out of this accelerated mode and was nearly stuck permemantly , until he found how to slow himself down to get out of it. So basically, sonic moved at the speed of infinite, because he was moving from one location to another in NO TIME.

So.. in conclusion, Both characters are fast, but flash has shown many limits, while sonic has shown that he has no limits at all, and can run as fast as well,,, he needs to be. Sonic was created for the purpose of being the fastest fictional character alive, and that's the way it's gonna be.

The fastest character is Sonic.

Flash is way faster than the speed of light so he's waaaay faster than sonic. If there is a ramp that he doesn't want to face he'll just phase through.

@tinyford: Sonic is way faster than the speed of light to.

@lethalpoop: nope even with all 7 the gems stuff he still can't even clock 5000 mph. Flash runs back and forward in time without too much effort

@tinyford: if you read everything i posted then you will know that sonic is faster than the flash.

@lethalpoop: I'll debate this for the sake of the thread and reply to each point of yours. Sorry I wasn't tagged in that one so I didn't see it.

1. We agree both exceed light speed

2. You state he can go 7 times faster than light (wearing light boots of course) and then sure he might boost to go even faster, but to reach 10 times (which you stated as Flash's top speed) he would need to go almost 50% faster than his top speed... I'm not saying this can't be done but I do believe it is HIGHLY unlikely that a top can become 50% more with just a bit of boost

3. Light speed is too slow for flash as well and his speed can also not be calculated hence "the speedforce"

4. The silver surfer who is slower than the flash does this on a regular basis

5. Yes he is faster than light speed I realise that now and do agree as stated in point 1

6. See point 1

7. The flash has run to many earths in the multiverse as well, this would mean he would also need to exeed 100 times C because he ran back like 12 years and created alternate timelines plenty of times, we of course know there is no such thing as an alternate timeline, but rather it is a different timeline within the multiverse seeing as neither time nor space can be destroyed and erasing an existing timeline by traveling to the past is impossible (causality right). He is constantly running through the multiverse (albeit not extremely far from his location)

8. See point 1

9. The flash has run to the end of time and the beginning of time. He has literally reached both ends of the time spectrum.

10. The same happens too flash (and quite often might I add) and DC calls this "being trapped in the speed force". He can literally move in no time there which is his equivalent to Sonic's state.

Sure Sonic is fast but I don't see the limits you speak of concerning the flash. Him dying at a certain speed doesn't make that his limit, it makes him simply dependant on the speed force to sustain his vitals (just like Sonic can't run lightspeed without the right shoes IIRC?) but once he accesses the speed force there are truly no limitations. Literally none whatsoever. He can go from the beginning of time to the end of time in one second if he was in the speed force.

Sonic was created to be the fastest character in his universe and he no doubt is, but Flash was created to be the fastest in his universe and he no doubt is. But put together eventhough Sonic has insane feats, Sonic won't catch up with Flash's past feats before another upgrade.

I'm convinced that the only possible result when Sonic gets upgraded will be a stalemate between the two of them because you can't go faster than the fastest possible speed (speed force)

Flash beats Sonic but loses to Roadrunner. Duh.

@tinyford: Yea but the flash barely broke the light barrier to time travel. Also can you show proof that the flash speed is so high it can't be calculated? Like tell me the name of the comic and the issue number? Also can you show me proof that the flash ran so fast that he stopped time? Also just because the flash changed the timeline doesn't mean he traveled between universes. It just means that he barely broke the light barrier to time travel.

@laughingbatman: Sonic is faster than the flash i just proved it read everything i said and pay attention