#1 Posted by RadioactiveGazz (23 posts) - - Show Bio

So, I am not really new to comics, I have just always been lingering at surface-level, or working on recommendations, while I fulfil some of my other obsessions. But since the games industry is looking bleak this year, I am reading quite a lot. I love Kick-Ass a whole lot, as well as most batman stuff. Today I read Old man Logan in one go, rather liked it, and I am also plodding through Before Watchmen, though rather unenthusiastically. I'd perhaps like to bring some Iron man back into my life.

I like the look of Civil War. I like the premise, I like the art, and I like Mark Millar. However, I have heard it is bad, with little reason as to why, while one of my friends I trust rather liked it. Let me know your thoughts, try to explain your opinions with minimal spoilers. If you hate it, what do you suggest I read instead?

#2 Posted by JediXMan (30709 posts) - - Show Bio

Read Kingdom Come. Better story and arguably better art.

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#3 Posted by The_Tree (7526 posts) - - Show Bio

I loved Civil War. It's fun, the art was great, and it set the stage for the future of the Marvel Universe.

#4 Posted by mtrakos (563 posts) - - Show Bio

You would be missing out if you didnt read it. Its one of my favorites.

#5 Posted by RadioactiveGazz (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

Read Kingdom Come. Better story and arguably better art.

Thanks, I'll be sure to order it while I got the money to do so (meaning right now)

OK done, the art looks awesome, the story seems interesting :)

@The_Tree said:

I loved Civil War. It's fun, the art was great, and it set the stage for the future of the Marvel Universe.

@mtrakos said:

You would be missing out if you didnt read it. Its one of my favorites.

Then I will be sure to give Civil War a read. Would you suggest I read just the numbered books, or read all of them by looking up the chronological order of every involved issue? I know this series seems to be a bit spread out.

#6 Posted by Teerack (6632 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan: the art in kingdom come was gross.

#7 Posted by JediXMan (30709 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack said:

@JediXMan: the art in kingdom come was gross.

Did... did you just... just call... Alex... Alex Ross... Gross?

I... I have no response to that. It simply does not compute.

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#8 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

@Teerack said:

@JediXMan: the art in kingdom come was gross.

Did... did you just... just call... Alex... Alex Ross... Gross?

I... I have no response to that. It simply does not compute.

O_O

Alex Ross is amazing even Marvel Fans respect the Ross

#9 Posted by JediXMan (30709 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991:

What I will say is that Ross' work is better suited to covers than interiors, but either way his work is amazing.

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#10 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

@Blood1991:

What I will say is that Ross' work is better suited to covers than interiors, but either way his work is amazing.

Agreed, his work is better on covers I've found he doesn't do as well with smaller images, but who cares his art is gorgeous.

#11 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

Whoever said it was bad doesn't know what they're talking about. Civil War was great, and is really the only Marvel event worth reading that was made in the past decade.

And if you like Millar, The Ultimates Vol. 1 and 2 are must-reads.

#12 Posted by sinestro_GL (3179 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack said:

@JediXMan: the art in kingdom come was gross.

I think you misspelled 'amazing'

#13 Posted by JediXMan (30709 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

and is really the only Marvel event worth reading that was made in the past decade.

Ahem.

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#14 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

Civil War was maybe the last good non-cosmic story arc from Marvel that I read. I recommend it.

#15 Posted by Malonius (887 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers Disassembled and House of M were probably the start of Marvel's current era so those are important ones to read and both pretty good. Illuminati was also good and helps show the way Marvel wants us to think about how its universe is organized. Whedon's run on Astonishing X-men is really good. Runaways is highly recommended. And yes, Civil War is a great book.

The main reason I've heard against Civil War is that people think Tony Stark and Reed Richards go way out of character in the lengths they go to for the government...pushing the point of acting villainous. Which is definitely sad and ambiguous because I think their side is actually correct and more mature. Vigilantism is against the law for a good reason.

#16 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

Civil war was the best thing Marvel has done in decades, did you know the creator of Civil War was fired because the story was too politicly controversal and thought provocing?

Yeah it's an amazing book, it's was the last REALLY good thing Marvel created before they were bought by Disney.

#17 Posted by mtrakos (563 posts) - - Show Bio

"even marvel fans" JC....Alex Ross is not gross he is an artist.

Civil War is the last good thing I have read from marvel (aside from solo series) in years. "whose side are you on"

#18 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29505 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Tree said:

I loved Civil War. It's fun, the art was great, and it set the stage for the future of the Marvel Universe.

The future that was quickly erased little by little until the status quo was returned to normal.

#19 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

reading civil war is a must. and i agree ross is better on covers. the whole book of nothing but ross kinda hurt my eyes.

#20 Posted by JediXMan (30709 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@The_Tree said:

I loved Civil War. It's fun, the art was great, and it set the stage for the future of the Marvel Universe.

The future that was quickly erased little by little until the status quo was returned to normal.

This is why I dislike Civil War. It was completely pointless. At least Kingdom Come is self-contained and never claimed to change anything.

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#21 Posted by Teerack (6632 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991: gross man.

#22 Posted by Lvenger (20269 posts) - - Show Bio

For what it's worth, at the time, Civil War was a game changer. I'd recommend it as I feel it's the last good non cosmic Marvel event put out. Also Kingdom Come. Way better story and Alex Ross' artwork is simply beautiful.

#23 Posted by RadioactiveGazz (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

Whoever said it was bad doesn't know what they're talking about. Civil War was great, and is really the only Marvel event worth reading that was made in the past decade.

And if you like Millar, The Ultimates Vol. 1 and 2 are must-reads.

Awesome, I'll look into those too, though I have never heard of them.

Thanks for all the positive response towards Civil War, guys, but nobody has answered my second question. Do I just read civil war, or go crazy and look for all issues that are part of civil war and read in chronological order? Would picking up the Civil War book from the book shop suffice?

#24 Edited by SHAZAM117 (3126 posts) - - Show Bio

Civil War will make Iron Man look like a D-bag if you read it....at least it did for me...Unless your and advid collector I would just recommend picking up the trade paperback...Civil War really isn't one of those arcs where you have to read every little side story to get the gist of what it means to MARVEL U and to follow it.

#25 Posted by Remi (613 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

Read Kingdom Come. Better story and arguably better art.

In other words: "It was actually good".

#26 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

@Gambit1024 said:

and is really the only Marvel event worth reading that was made in the past decade.

Ahem.

Eh. I have a love-hate relationship with Marvel cosmic. I don't hate it, but it's just not my cup of tea.

@RadioactiveGazz: Just read the main series. Tie-ins are almost always useless in these events.

#27 Posted by Uno_Oscuro (743 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

Whoever said it was bad doesn't know what they're talking about. Civil War was great, and is really the only Marvel event worth reading that was made in the past decade.

And if you like Millar, The Ultimates Vol. 1 and 2 are must-reads.

Secret Invasion, War of Kings, Thanos Imperative, Annihilation all were good, although I do agree that Civil War was awesome and anyone who says otherwise doesn't like comics. Siege and Fear Itself sucked bad though.

#28 Posted by RadioactiveGazz (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambit1024: Thanks. I am reading Kingdom Come first, but Civil War is next in line, especially since I now know what I am looking for.

#29 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@The_Tree said:

I loved Civil War. It's fun, the art was great, and it set the stage for the future of the Marvel Universe.

The future that was quickly erased little by little until the status quo was returned to normal.

Yeah i know..and Marvels about changing the status quo that's what made them unique, they shouldn't remain the same till the end of time, that's what DC does.

I blame Disney for things changing back to the way it was.

#30 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@RadioactiveGazz said:

@Gambit1024 said:

Whoever said it was bad doesn't know what they're talking about. Civil War was great, and is really the only Marvel event worth reading that was made in the past decade.

And if you like Millar, The Ultimates Vol. 1 and 2 are must-reads.

Awesome, I'll look into those too, though I have never heard of them.

Thanks for all the positive response towards Civil War, guys, but nobody has answered my second question. Do I just read civil war, or go crazy and look for all issues that are part of civil war and read in chronological order? Would picking up the Civil War book from the book shop suffice?

There are two Civil war books, ones for the pro-registration the other for anti-registration, so if you want to cover the basics you should buy those two at least.

If you like it you might want to check out each heros solo-books to see what happend to them exactly.

#31 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29505 posts) - - Show Bio

@acer51 said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@The_Tree said:

I loved Civil War. It's fun, the art was great, and it set the stage for the future of the Marvel Universe.

The future that was quickly erased little by little until the status quo was returned to normal.

Yeah i know..and Marvels about changing the status quo that's what made them unique, they shouldn't remain the same till the end of time, that's what DC does.

I blame Disney for things changing back to the way it was.

Disney had no creative input whatsoever.

They leave Marvel's writers to do what they do.

#32 Posted by Cap10nate (2365 posts) - - Show Bio

@RadioactiveGazz said:

@Gambit1024 said:

Whoever said it was bad doesn't know what they're talking about. Civil War was great, and is really the only Marvel event worth reading that was made in the past decade.

And if you like Millar, The Ultimates Vol. 1 and 2 are must-reads.

Awesome, I'll look into those too, though I have never heard of them.

Thanks for all the positive response towards Civil War, guys, but nobody has answered my second question. Do I just read civil war, or go crazy and look for all issues that are part of civil war and read in chronological order? Would picking up the Civil War book from the book shop suffice?

The Ultimates is just the Ultimate Universe version of the Avengers. It is a very different take on the Avengers but it is really good.

As for Civil War, it does a good job of being a self contained book. You can just read the 7 books and be fine. There is the New Avengers and Mighty Avengers that show the two different sides of the story for more detail. Any other stories are just if you want to see a particular characters perspective.

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#33 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@acer51 said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@The_Tree said:

I loved Civil War. It's fun, the art was great, and it set the stage for the future of the Marvel Universe.

The future that was quickly erased little by little until the status quo was returned to normal.

Yeah i know..and Marvels about changing the status quo that's what made them unique, they shouldn't remain the same till the end of time, that's what DC does.

I blame Disney for things changing back to the way it was.

Disney had no creative input whatsoever.

They leave Marvel's writers to do what they do.

Or so they say.

#34 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29505 posts) - - Show Bio

@acer51 said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@acer51 said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@The_Tree said:

I loved Civil War. It's fun, the art was great, and it set the stage for the future of the Marvel Universe.

The future that was quickly erased little by little until the status quo was returned to normal.

Yeah i know..and Marvels about changing the status quo that's what made them unique, they shouldn't remain the same till the end of time, that's what DC does.

I blame Disney for things changing back to the way it was.

Disney had no creative input whatsoever.

They leave Marvel's writers to do what they do.

Or so they say.

#35 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@acer51 said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@acer51 said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@The_Tree said:

I loved Civil War. It's fun, the art was great, and it set the stage for the future of the Marvel Universe.

The future that was quickly erased little by little until the status quo was returned to normal.

Yeah i know..and Marvels about changing the status quo that's what made them unique, they shouldn't remain the same till the end of time, that's what DC does.

I blame Disney for things changing back to the way it was.

Disney had no creative input whatsoever.

They leave Marvel's writers to do what they do.

Or so they say.

Ok maybe I'm being too morbid about this, but I find it strange the guy who made Civil War got fired after Disney took over.

Plus I HATE what there doing with the cartoons.

#36 Edited by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@The_Tree said:

I loved Civil War. It's fun, the art was great, and it set the stage for the future of the Marvel Universe.

The future that was quickly erased little by little until the status quo was returned to normal.

This is why I dislike Civil War. It was completely pointless. At least Kingdom Come is self-contained and never claimed to change anything.

Agreed. The Superhuman Registration Act was null and void so soon

But yes read both Civil War & Kingdom Come. I've read Civil War (I'm 14), and I enjoyed it. But I have also read the summary to Kingdom Come, and enjoy it so read both. Both have good art also

#37 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

Are there any weird or grotesque pictures in Civil War (If there are, don't show me)

#38 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33635 posts) - - Show Bio
@RadioactiveGazz: Read Kingdom Come and Annihilation 
#39 Posted by RadioactiveGazz (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cap10nate: I am liking the idea of The Ultimates more than Civil War right now, but I'll read Civil War first. I may CW digitally, that way I can easily pick and choose what side stuff I pick up if I feel like exploring surrounding events further. That way I can read it while the others arrive.

@Jonny_Anonymous: Kingdom Come is in the post, Annihilation will be added to my list of stuff to read. getting some seriously good recommendations here, thanks for all these!

#40 Posted by They Killed Cap! (2243 posts) - - Show Bio

I loved Civil War...it is what brought me back into books. Kingdom come is legendary as well...can't go wrong withe way.

#41 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

@They Killed Cap! said:

I loved Civil War...it is what brought me back into books. Kingdom come is legendary as well...can't go wrong withe way.

Just read the ending of Kingdom Come on Amazon and put it on my library cart., Read Civil War last year. so I want to read both.