Posted by Rasarima (371 posts) - - Show Bio

Some may be offended by the fact that comics are using a lot of sexuality to sell its pages, but I have a different point of view (besides being a man of course).

Comics have grown up in a fantasy where humans, or not, have great skills and stand out over others. Each of the characters represented in comics has something that makes them different but, at the same time, we can relate to them in an intimate way, and so we identified with them.This is where sexuality enters into comics.

We are sexual beings, we have wishes and desires and this is represented in the comics to get us closer to the characters.In the case of female characters it gets even stronger.

As a male, I know that all women are born with a power that, like a mutant ability, remains latent until puberty. Since the powers of women begin to manifest themselves, they can cause many problems and discomfort for them. They begin to wonder at the changes in their body, begin to feel unable to socialize and small problems seem impossible to resolve. But on the other hand, we go through minor changes, just by watching all this. We see them flourish, and out of nothing, we created an irresistible desire to obey them and try to have them.

Women in turn realize this, and in time come to control that power, as a mutant that has a good time at the Xavier Institute for gifted student.Thus, the power of seduction is the most basic special ability of women, and in the case of female heroes in comics, who have spent years learning to use even more special abilities, can use seduction as a weapon of their arsenal, a true power worthy to be represented in the media that is expert in special skills.

i´ve based my post in this entry

(I used the google translator for this text, it is simply too complicated, sorry)

#1 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3617 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact that you would state that "the power of seduction is the most basic special ability of women" is a symptom of the problem these images represent: the over-sexualization of women and how the artwork in comic books perpetuate this. Why would a character that has superior intelligence, can fly, can throw energy bolts, read minds and has super strength choose to emphasize her appearance in such a way within a profession that involves athletics, physical combat and adventures in a variety of environments? These images are just chosen to titillate the core audience of these comic books, and are a big reason why there is such a clear line between the artwork in a story and character-driven comic versus a superhero or erotic comic.

Not to mention how demoralizing it must for young female readers to see that despite having super powers, incredible skills and etc., she is still expected to look as if she can be a stripper at the drop of a dime, fight crime in 6 inch heels or would need to use her looks to get ahead. The effect is to marginalize the idea that heroines/villainesses are real characters in comparison to the males, and emphasize that they ultimately can't compete on a level playing field even with their special powers.

#2 Posted by Superguy0009e (2265 posts) - - Show Bio

@PhoenixoftheTides said:

The fact that you would state that "the power of seduction is the most basic special ability of women" is a symptom of the problem these images represent: the over-sexualization of women and how the artwork in comic books perpetuate this. Why would a character that has superior intelligence, can fly, can throw energy bolts, read minds and has super strength choose to emphasize her appearance in such a way within a profession that involves athletics, physical combat and adventures in a variety of environments? These images are just chosen to titillate the core audience of these comic books, and are a big reason why there is such a clear line between the artwork in a story and character-driven comic versus a superhero or erotic comic.

Not to mention how demoralizing it must for young female readers to see that despite having super powers, incredible skills and etc., she is still expected to look as if she can be a stripper at the drop of a dime, fight crime in 6 inch heels or would need to use her looks to get ahead. The effect is to marginalize the idea that heroines/villainesses are real characters in comparison to the males, and emphasize that they ultimately can't compete on a level playing field even with their special powers.

this

#3 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't like fan service because it's nothing but a pointless distraction. It never adds to the story and usually it in fact takes away from the story.

If I want porn in my comic, I'll read an actual porn comic.

#4 Edited by MrUnknown (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite said:

I don't like fan service because it's nothing but a pointless distraction. It never adds to the story and usually it in fact takes away from the story.

If I want porn in my comic, I'll read an actual porn comic.

Your avatar says otherwise

#5 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrUnknown said:

@Decoy Elite said:

I don't like fan service because it's nothing but a pointless distraction. It never adds to the story and usually it in fact takes away from the story.

If I want porn in my comic, I'll read an actual porn comic.

Your avatar says otherwise

Only if you don't look at it closely.

RAGE BUTT
#6 Posted by MrUnknown (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite said:

@MrUnknown said:

@Decoy Elite said:

I don't like fan service because it's nothing but a pointless distraction. It never adds to the story and usually it in fact takes away from the story.

If I want porn in my comic, I'll read an actual porn comic.

Your avatar says otherwise

Only if you don't look at it closely.

RAGE BUTT

I don't see how that makes a difference.

#7 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrUnknown: I am mocking the fanservice, not endorsing it.

#8 Posted by MrUnknown (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite: There is a very thin line separating the two. I don't think all fan service is bad though, only if it goes against previously established characterizations.

#9 Posted by Rasarima (371 posts) - - Show Bio

i think i missed my point then...

For years women have been degrated for just not being man, but time is changing that. I think that all they have to do to surpass us is to stop playing our games and start playing their own.

They dont need to be ashemd of what they are, and if we cant stop staring at them let we stay behind and go for the win...show the world a totally diferent game.

#10 Posted by Deuce (51 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the reason they wear such skimpy clothing is cuz its comfortable, think about track runner,gymnasts, divers all wear either tight fitting clothes or just less

#11 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@Superguy0009e said:

@PhoenixoftheTides said:

The fact that you would state that "the power of seduction is the most basic special ability of women" is a symptom of the problem these images represent: the over-sexualization of women and how the artwork in comic books perpetuate this. Why would a character that has superior intelligence, can fly, can throw energy bolts, read minds and has super strength choose to emphasize her appearance in such a way within a profession that involves athletics, physical combat and adventures in a variety of environments? These images are just chosen to titillate the core audience of these comic books, and are a big reason why there is such a clear line between the artwork in a story and character-driven comic versus a superhero or erotic comic.

Not to mention how demoralizing it must for young female readers to see that despite having super powers, incredible skills and etc., she is still expected to look as if she can be a stripper at the drop of a dime, fight crime in 6 inch heels or would need to use her looks to get ahead. The effect is to marginalize the idea that heroines/villainesses are real characters in comparison to the males, and emphasize that they ultimately can't compete on a level playing field even with their special powers.

this

This as well.

@Deuce said:

I think the reason they wear such skimpy clothing is cuz its comfortable, think about track runner,gymnasts, divers all wear either tight fitting clothes or just less

I'm a dancer and loose clothing is more comfortable.

Most of the clothing worn by female superheroes are actually the opposite of comfortable. One little somersault and the "girls" would be free, let alone running in heeled boots etc.

#12 Posted by Deuce (51 posts) - - Show Bio

Then why is it that gymnasts and dancers wear tights all the time if its not comfortable?

#13 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7752 posts) - - Show Bio

Sexier comics? This does not help females in comics

#14 Posted by Mercy_ (92985 posts) - - Show Bio

@PhoenixoftheTides said:

The fact that you would state that "the power of seduction is the most basic special ability of women" is a symptom of the problem these images represent: the over-sexualization of women and how the artwork in comic books perpetuate this. Why would a character that has superior intelligence, can fly, can throw energy bolts, read minds and has super strength choose to emphasize her appearance in such a way within a profession that involves athletics, physical combat and adventures in a variety of environments? These images are just chosen to titillate the core audience of these comic books, and are a big reason why there is such a clear line between the artwork in a story and character-driven comic versus a superhero or erotic comic.

Not to mention how demoralizing it must for young female readers to see that despite having super powers, incredible skills and etc., she is still expected to look as if she can be a stripper at the drop of a dime, fight crime in 6 inch heels or would need to use her looks to get ahead. The effect is to marginalize the idea that heroines/villainesses are real characters in comparison to the males, and emphasize that they ultimately can't compete on a level playing field even with their special powers.

Aaaaaaaaand this is why I love you.

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#15 Posted by kadosho_16bit (76 posts) - - Show Bio

I often wonder if we've stereotyped ourselves after so many decades. Come to think of it, the format hasn't really changed. Even Wonder Woman's origins go back to her father "the lie detector" which is what her "Lasso of Truth" was based on. Aside from the dominating characteristics, she was meant to overpower opponents. Even though it was set in wartime, she was meant to be viewed as a sex symbol. However decades later, she's stuck in limbo where her identity is now, its up to the reader.

With Witchblade, it caught my attention when it cemented itself with a New York detective, seeking out the troublemakers. And she happens to stumble upon a priceless artifact that bonds by a persons spirit. It chooses a wielder by its strengths, weakness, or desires and protects them and those they love. Oddly enough it took apart her clothes because its not self-aware of the attire, but the body. (which is why the artists let loose for awhile) and later garnering Sara with actual armor that was capable of defending her. But the idea behind Sara, is that she is a gorgeous woman who doesn't let anyone get too close. Something I find very captivating.

#16 Posted by Rasarima (371 posts) - - Show Bio

@kadosho_16bit said:

I often wonder if we've stereotyped ourselves after so many decades. Come to think of it, the format hasn't really changed. Even Wonder Woman's origins go back to her father "the lie detector" which is what her "Lasso of Truth" was based on. Aside from the dominating characteristics, she was meant to overpower opponents. Even though it was set in wartime, she was meant to be viewed as a sex symbol. However decades later, she's stuck in limbo where her identity is now, its up to the reader.

With Witchblade, it caught my attention when it cemented itself with a New York detective, seeking out the troublemakers. And she happens to stumble upon a priceless artifact that bonds by a persons spirit. It chooses a wielder by its strengths, weakness, or desires and protects them and those they love. Oddly enough it took apart her clothes because its not self-aware of the attire, but the body. (which is why the artists let loose for awhile) and later garnering Sara with actual armor that was capable of defending her. But the idea behind Sara, is that she is a gorgeous woman who doesn't let anyone get too close. Something I find very captivating.

This.

Come on, men created the rules, even the rules girls follow today and this is wrong. We show to girls our weakness every single day and it´s about time they see it. Plz girls, stop seeing the same "morals" and "ethics" we created thousand years ago, and create your own...

#17 Posted by Deadcool (6818 posts) - - Show Bio
Stupid SEXY Deadpool
#18 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deuce said:

Then why is it that gymnasts and dancers wear tights all the time if its not comfortable?

The reason why gymnasts/dancers wear tights is when they perform. Body lines need to be visible to highlight expression in order for the movements to be judged/appreciated.

During practice however - its looser clothing that is usually worn. Not always - but usually.