#1 Posted by justice teen (462 posts) - - Show Bio

So many people would be alive if heroes kill villains who keep committing crimes. for example Jason Todd would have never died if batman would have kill the joker. Heroes like the punisher, wolverine,and wonder woman( at times) have the right idea if their a treat now and don't try to change why not put an end to them one and for all. so why heroes kill is it because they like the challenge the villains bring despite the many deaths( not very heroic), or is it the fame that comes with people seeing you save the day( hope not sense they always go trough them sad moments and almost quit being heroes), or maybe their afraid to kill( if so their not hero material, a hero should be willing to do whatever it takes). Now some villains like lex have help save the world on several occasions, but the threat would have never happen had that threat ended a long time ago. Now i do agree with arresting villains and offer them a chance to reform, but if they don't take it, kill them.

#2 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals.

Batman refused to kill because of what he experienced as a child.

And that makes a boring story. Doom has two infinity gauntlets right now he could sweep the entire fantastic 4 for the lulz if he felt like it.

Batman could beat joker to death but what next? You can't kill off iconic villains just like that.

But some heroes do do this ( Daredevil bashed bullseyes brains in )

#3 Edited by Ravager4 (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

Because I guess they just believe in, you know, the law and due process. It's the court's job to put away the villains for good (and keep them there.. obviously they're not very good at it) and institute a death penalty if necessary. Being a 'hero' doesn't exempt you from the laws you're trying to uphold, and if you go around murdering villains, you will, or at least should, be put up on murder charges yourself, no matter how justified the action.

#4 Posted by Donnieman v5.1 (44323 posts) - - Show Bio

Cuz killin' is bad.

#5 Posted by The Stegman (24382 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ravager4:  
 

Because I guess they just believe in, you know, the law and due process. It's the court's job to put away the villains for good (and keep them there.. obviously they're not very good at it) and institute a death penalty if necessary. Just because you're a 'hero' doesn't exempt you from the laws you're trying to uphold, and if you go around murdering villains, you will, or at least should, be put up on murder charges yourself, no matter how justified the action.

I love this answer...and I think I love you now.
#6 Posted by Ravager4 (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman: d'awwww, you're gonna make me blush now

#7 Posted by cattlebattle (12770 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ravager4 said:

Because I guess they just believe in, you know, the law and due process. It's the court's job to put away the villains for good (and keep them there.. obviously they're not very good at it) and institute a death penalty if necessary. Just because you're a 'hero' doesn't exempt you from the laws you're trying to uphold, and if you go around murdering villains, you will, or at least should, be put up on murder charges yourself, no matter how justified the action.

Its a flawed logic though, Batman doesn't show up for the criminals that he busts trials anyways....he is basically just letting them walk himself
#8 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

Because...Writers can't create new villains every issue.

#9 Posted by The Stegman (24382 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ravager4: Heh, heh, yo answer wuz real purdy *kicks dirt shyly*
#10 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ravager4 said:

Because I guess they just believe in, you know, the law and due process. It's the court's job to put away the villains for good (and keep them there.. obviously they're not very good at it) and institute a death penalty if necessary. Being a 'hero' doesn't exempt you from the laws you're trying to uphold, and if you go around murdering villains, you will, or at least should, be put up on murder charges yourself, no matter how justified the action.

#11 Posted by Ravager4 (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: I don't the reasoning behind saying that not showing up at the person's trial means that he's letting them walk himself... he isn't involved in anyway in the court process, or the sentencing that a judge gives a villain for the crimes they commit. He just catches them and hands them over to the police, that's where his job ends. Then it goes into the hands of the actual criminal justice system. Unless something's changed.

#12 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13139 posts) - - Show Bio

Why don't mods kill Viners who make dupe threads and do nothing but complain? The world is full of mysteries.

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#13 Posted by tim2081 (519 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mega_spidey01 said:

@Ravager4 said:

Because I guess they just believe in, you know, the law and due process. It's the court's job to put away the villains for good (and keep them there.. obviously they're not very good at it) and institute a death penalty if necessary. Being a 'hero' doesn't exempt you from the laws you're trying to uphold, and if you go around murdering villains, you will, or at least should, be put up on murder charges yourself, no matter how justified the action.

Yes, and for all those international villains and aliens, we should bring them to America and put them on trial in front of an American jury. Because you can't conquer the universe without going through America first. A few may end up in Gitmo without a trial, but who cares, the system works.

#14 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ravager4 said:

Because I guess they just believe in, you know, the law and due process. It's the court's job to put away the villains for good (and keep them there.. obviously they're not very good at it) and institute a death penalty if necessary. Being a 'hero' doesn't exempt you from the laws you're trying to uphold, and if you go around murdering villains, you will, or at least should, be put up on murder charges yourself, no matter how justified the action.

#15 Posted by cattlebattle (12770 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ravager4 said:

@cattlebattle: I don't the reasoning behind saying that not showing up at the person's trial means that he's letting them walk himself... he isn't involved in anyway in the court process, or the sentencing that a judge gives a villain for the crimes they commit. He just catches them and hands them over to the police, that's where his job ends. Then it goes into the hands of the actual criminal justice system. Unless something's changed.

But....last time I checked....for high profile crimes that most of Gothams criminals commit, there has to be an arresting officer that appears in court..If Batman just beats these guys up and leaves them tied up they really aren't even allowed to arrest them in the first place, little own give them a fair trial, Batman and most super heroes completely ignore the law for the most part.....I agree that killing is breaking the law and heroes shouldn't do it, but if these criminals just break out and kill and harm more people, I don't see the disservice.
#16 Posted by BlackArmor (6141 posts) - - Show Bio

better question, why don't the courts ever use the death penalty?

#17 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@justice teen: Uhh dude, what have you been reading?

Wolverine kills people

Punisher kills people

The Authority kills people

@BlackArmor said:

better question, why don't the courts ever use the death penalty?

Sissies, in some countries they do but with the resurgence of human rights movements and international pressure some countries backed down, but places like china and the middle east still do. Some states in America are divided on its usage but I hope good ol' red white and blue continues its executions. Because prisons waste tax money and all they do is butthump (this they can do outside of jail anyways).

#18 Posted by chalkshark (1189 posts) - - Show Bio

The general conceit is that while the heroes are operating outside of the law, as vigilantes, they still try to conduct themselves as officers of the law. In this way, they are, at the very least, tolerated by duly authorized representatives of law enforcement. To conduct themselves as judge, jury and executioner would very quickly get them labeled as villains. They would cease to engender the public's trust and would find themselves having to fend off and elude the police, all the while that they're trying to fight crime themselves. Why make your self-imposed mission to combat evil so much more difficult, when by simply following the rule of law, you can, largely, focus on just doing what you set out to do... fight criminals... as opposed to being in conflict with law enforcement agencies, and becoming a figure of terror for the very public you're supposedly protecting. At the end of the day, the Joker's victims are not the Batman's fault. That fault lies with the Joker. You cannot be held responsible for the actions of another.

It also wouldn't really resolve anything. The Punisher kills all of his adversaries, and gains nothing. Innocent people still end up murdered, For every criminal that the Punisher puts down, a hundred more are waiting in the wings to pick up the slack. He isn't changing anything by his actions. Yes, the people he kills can never kill again, but their deaths don't necessarily make people safer. You can make an argument stating that putting the Joker away also doesn't necessarily make people any safer, and that would be a fair point. So, it comes down to this. Are you a good man who wants to do good in the world, and through your, quite frankly, illegal actions help to shore up a damaged justice system, so, that, it works a little more often than not? Or are you a nihilist with no faith in the justice system who has absolutely no issue with being exactly the same as the men you are killing?

#19 Posted by Superguy0009e (2265 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackArmor said:

better question, why don't the courts ever use the death penalty?

This

and there are heroes that kill every so often, the one I know most about is Green Arrow.

also, i think Captain America or Iron Man have sneaked in some kills every so often

#20 Posted by justice teen (462 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ravager4: I love your response it was so intelligent and well thought, i would love to have a conversation with you some time. the law is man made and imperfect( since villains still get free) heroes arent really apart of the law and i guess they could have immunity since their actions are meant to protect innocent lives, a killing in defense(justified) @BlackArmor: IKR.

#21 Posted by BlackArmor (6141 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rumble Man said:

@BlackArmor said:

better question, why don't the courts ever use the death penalty?

Sissies, in some countries they do but with the resurgence of human rights movements and international pressure some countries backed down, but places like china and the middle east still do. Some states in America are divided on its usage but I hope good ol' red white and blue continues its executions. Because prisons waste tax money and all they do is butthump (this they can do outside of jail anyways).

No I meant why don't they use it in comics, I live in Texas so I've seen it used more than enough in real life

#22 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackArmor: Maybe the writers don't like it or that they have a no death penalty system in comics (Gotham I am looking at you and your flimsy Arkham Asylum curse excuse when they have soo many magicians in DCU)

#23 Posted by justice teen (462 posts) - - Show Bio

@chalkshark: well spoken, but there where faults. people would be safer just not 100% safer. also the more threats just waiting to come out just show that things will never end or get boring( not refering to you )

#24 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@justice teen: :) Thank you you seem like a fine person yourself.A whole bunch of heroes would have been in jail if it weren't for diplomatic immunity. Villains get free because the government knows better than to go after them.I mean if I was a cop I wouldn't dare oppose joker LOL.

#25 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackArmor: well in Gotham a majority of the villains are in asylums and asylums don't do the death penalty

#26 Posted by justice teen (462 posts) - - Show Bio

@FourthDeity: i agree hence killing him to settle the problem

#27 Posted by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

Heroes always need to embody some form of compassion. Now obviously the there are varying degrees of this.

#28 Posted by AngelicPhoenix (120 posts) - - Show Bio

light needs dark to balance everything. plus if ya kill the cool baddies who takes their place?

#29 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

Define necessary.

#30 Posted by Twentyfive (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

If Batman killed the Joker, he'd have nothing to do on Tuesdays. That's why.

#31 Posted by addikhabbo (166 posts) - - Show Bio

Soldiers and Cops kill and we consider them heroes. But it's a paradox! Once you kill, you're just like them! How can these two facts co-exist? A hero killing? Simple. I just blew your mind.

#32 Posted by Negativecreep94 (64 posts) - - Show Bio

They have high morals and are above killing. Also Batman wouldn't kill because that's the reason he became Batman. To stop killings and crime because his parents got killed. This also works for the plot cause memorable villains simply can't be killed off, and never return again.

#33 Edited by Havenless (1341 posts) - - Show Bio

#34 Edited by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

Because heroes are seperated in two categories the tradional law abiding heroes and the anti heroes that beleive the end justifie the means. Me I never cared for anti heroes but they serve a purpose, so to all those wanteing the tradionalist to kill I say this stop enforcing demanding they should kill. If you want heroes to kill go read Punisher, Wolverine, Authority, Deadpool and a bunch of Black Ops team books thats were you should be reading Anti Heroes if you hate tradional super heroes.

#35 Posted by fil123 (528 posts) - - Show Bio

because if characters like batman, superman etc killed there would be no more villains left

#36 Posted by Web_Flotsam (1118 posts) - - Show Bio

better question, why don't the courts ever use the death penalty?

IRL, because it's actually more expensive to keep a criminal on death row than anywhere else and they tend to stay for years because it takes awhile to get all of it through and there are a lot of appeals and stuff. Killing people is hard.

#37 Posted by Dayvid3 (807 posts) - - Show Bio

As others have said, I think most practically because they'd run out of badguys. Even the ones that kill like wolverine still dance the same dance with the same badguys over and over. When they create a villain that sells, they aren't going to kill them, not permanently.

Now generic no-name villains could be roadkill, that's another debate point.