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#1 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

This is from my blog, with a slight edit. I decided that it might be helpful to come up with a little guide that will help newbies from falling into the trap of n00bism. For those who don't know, a newbie is someone new (all of us at one point) a n00b is someone who refuses to learn.
1. Hating an entire comic book company.
There is a common belief among the unenlightened, that every character by a certain publisher is the same. Previously, I thought this was confined to just Marvel fans who are ignorant of the DCU beyond it's 'Big Three'. Readers of the Poo Poo list will know better.
The fact is that the majority of artists and writers move between the various publishers and have done so since the late thirties. Both DC and Marvel, as well as many of the independants, have characters created by a host of people and their stories are similarly written and illustrated by a small army of people. The stories at both companies are being written by a number of people (of varying talent) along broad editorial guidelines set out by the publisher and themselves to keep in with various events (World War Hulk, Countdown etc.) and to fit their marketing goals (you can't fill it up with sex, drugs and profanity if you want the youngsters to buy it).
This, helpfully, brings me onto my next point.

2. Hating a long established character
There has been many a n00b who, in introducing themselves to the Vine, has then gone on to write a venomous diatribe against a character. These are usually very long, have appalling spelling, alot of needless profanity, make very little sense and feature very few facts. This is not about personal taste, no character in comicdom appeals to everyone. The problem here is that the n00b seems to assume that people whose taste does not match their own are wrong and will tell them so with a great deal of profanity mixed in. They forget that for a character to stay around, their books must be reasonably popular. You don't like powerful characters like Superman, Green Lantern, Silver Surfer or the Hulk, fine. Other people do.
Characters that have been around a while do inherently have bad stories and will have contradictions in their history. These are the inevitabilities of being written by dozens of people over several decades. My advice is to get over it.

3. Power levels don't matter
This takes in both ends of the scale. There are some who feel they need to show how their favourite character can kick around others in an entirely different league. Gambit beating Galactus, Spider-man beating Wonder Woman.. the list goes on. Before you post a highly unlikely scenario where Batman pwns the Fantastic Four, the Avengers and Superman using his fabled 'prep time' (a power that apparently makes him functionally omnipotent), remind yourself that being able to win every battle doesn't make a character good or interesting. Similarly, just because a character can take on the Fantastic Four, the Avengers and Superman, there are still plenty of interesting stories that could be written about him/her/it. It's just more challenging.

4. Personal insults don't make you right
Need I say more? I hope not.

5. Being wrong isn't the end of the world
So you made a mistake. You didn't realise that one of the characters in a battle thread has powers you didn't know about. We've all been there (and it's usually Buckshot who sets us straight). The difference between being a n00b and being new is a matter of humility, admitting you are wrong. This will mean the difference between becoming an accepted member of the Vine or being on the Poo Poo list.


Well, there is my little guide. If anyone thinks of anything to add, comment below.

#2 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's a few more for Newbies...

Just a few well established rules for the site that are frequently overlooked by a few people.

Again, normally it's Me, Buckshot or a few others that will put you right on this.

  1. No Nudity

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Simple rule, this is a child friendly site with young users. No porn or hentai allowed.

There is no middle ground on this rule, it's firm and steadfast. Breaking it will have the mod's coming down on you hard.

  1. No swearing

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Again, this is a child friendly site, keep the profanity to a low setting please.

If you must swear to get a point across, something I don't see the point of, use symbols to cover up a few letters.

$ = S

! = I

And so on, it's a form of 'leet' speak that has evolved onto most forums, it gets the message across to most people and keeps the swearing to a minimum.

Those are the two big ones, as CS said with his rules, generally be polite and well mannered.

If you follow these rules you'll be accepted by the majority of the site in no time.

Try not to be a fanboy of one character, or one genre. We've got Hulk fanboy's, Flash fanboy's, DBZ fanboy's and more... don't add to them. If someone suggests a good comic or series, check it out. The comic encyclopedia on here is useful for many reasons, use it.

Don't be afraid to ask established members for help or assistance with the site, 90% of them will be glad to help.

Methos
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#3 Posted by Lantern Prime (13044 posts) - - Show Bio

???????????????? What is this?

#4 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

read it...

it's pretty straight forward

M

#5 Posted by Lantern Prime (13044 posts) - - Show Bio

Your not curse at newcombers that make mistakes right?

#6 Posted by Hagane Enna (7450 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it means no swearing at all. Kids access this site and some people access it at work, where filters for certain words will block access.

#7 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

nope, thats the difference between Newbies and N00B's...

M

#8 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with everything stated. But if you don't like a certain character, or you don't like a brand, you should state good reasons as to why or why not. Not just because "oh they're cooler" but because of either writing, or you think it just doesn't suite you. That's all I have to say about that.

#9 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah, but i think that comes under CS's "Hating an entire comic book company" rule

M

#10 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Hagane Enna says:

"I think it means no swearing at all. Kids access this site and some people access it at work, where filters for certain words will block access. "

hence rule number 2 that i posted...

M

#11 Posted by Hagane Enna (7450 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"Hagane Enna says:
"I think it means no swearing at all. Kids access this site and some people access it at work, where filters for certain words will block access. "
hence rule number 2 that i posted... M"

Yeah, I know but I forgot to quote SoundWave when I posted that. Particularly I wanted to specify that being on site a long time does not mean you ought to be using cuss words either. Well, how come you can say that and I can't? Because you're a noob and I'm not NOT!

#12 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

nah, No Swearing is a rule for everyone and should be abided by

M

#13 Posted by Lantern Prime (13044 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"nope, thats the difference between Newbies and N00B's... M"

Well what do you classify me as?

#14 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

I kicked myself for not including the profanity and nudity rules, good catch on that. Though I haven't come across much of the latter on here.

Like I said in rule 2, we all have characters we don't like. There may (or may not) be a good reason, we just don't like them. The important point is to recognise that no one here is the arbiter of good characters. As far as DC/Marvel go, there aren't big differences on a broad scale. Most of the differences are actually at book level rather than across the companies, eg comparing the Justice League with the Avengers is not the same as comparing DC to Marvel. Those differences at company level are editorial ones, which will change in time.

@SoundWave07: I've not seen that many of your posts, so I don't know. The Poo Poo List makes a strong case though (especially with the profanity).

#15 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"yeah, but i think that comes under CS's "Hating an entire comic book company" rule M"

Understandable.

#16 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"I kicked myself for not including the profanity and nudity rules, good catch on that. Though I haven't come across much of the latter on here. Like I said in rule 2, we all have characters we don't like. There may (or may not) be a good reason, we just don't like them. The important point is to recognise that no one here is the arbiter of good characters. As far as DC/Marvel go, there aren't big differences on a broad scale. Most of the differences are actually at book level rather than across the companies, eg comparing the Justice League with the Avengers is not the same as comparing DC to Marvel. Those differences at company level are editorial ones, which will change in time. @SoundWave07: I've not seen that many of your posts, so I don't know. The Poo Poo List makes a strong case though (especially with the profanity)."

Where exactly can I find the poo poo list?

#17 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by Final Arrow (24388 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"nah, No Swearing is a rule for everyone and should be abided by M"

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, I agree

#19 Posted by Liverwurst (881 posts) - - Show Bio

This has been needed for a long time.

#20 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Liverwurst says:

"This has been needed for a long time."

I'm inclined to agree.

#21 Posted by Superkitty (1089 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's some things I thought of.

  1. Anything you post here is open to criticism. Yes we know everyone has a right to post here and everyone has a right to their own opinion. But people have differing opinions on things and they have just as much right to post as you do. That's why this is a discussion forum. A suggestion: before posting, ask how someone could counter your argument and what you can say about it

  2. Don't use slurs against someone's (supposed) race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, etc. This follows under "personal insults don't make you right." Using terms that fall under these makes you seem especially ignorant, and well, boring - we've heard it all before.

  3. Avoid using messages that are in ALL CAPS, that have needless pictures attached (and quoting those pictures needlessly), and end in 15 or 16 exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Irritating.

  4. Agree to disagree If you find yourself saying the same points and they're "not getting it," just call it a draw or stop posting. If they didn't believe you when you said it the third time, why the fourth? I know it's a shame that some people don't "get it," but just accept the fact some people won't get the point (This assumes that you're right - see point #5 being wrong isn't the end of the world). A good hint you and the other person are going too far is when other people are posting "why is this thread still going?" or "this is getting boring."

  5. Keep nOOb "hunting" to a minimum Yes, I know nOObs need to be kept under control, and I found some of the messages funny, but some people take this way too far to the point of self-posturing (are you really such a big person for shooting fish in a barrel?), threatening physical violence (I'm not sure if I should takes these as overly silly- are you going to fly 3000 miles to beat someone up? or scary- there are people out there that think this is a solution?), or just being mean and trollish (Someone new: "I was wondering..." Noobhunter1234: "Shut up nOOb!"). There was one of those "I hate nOOb threads" going and it degenerated into two people arguing why the other one was a n00b. Don't let the cure be just as bad as the disease. Let's not make the forum a witch hunt in which there are more messages about how everyone hates nOObs (old news), RPG's where "we kick a bunch f(@&ing nOOb @ss" (who's nOObing who?), etc., than there are actual nOObs themselves. Yes there will always be nOObs, just handle them when the time comes.

#22 Posted by Buckshot (18678 posts) - - Show Bio

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"The important point is to recognise that no one here is the arbiter of good characters."

Wrong. That's why I'm here.

Eternal Chaos says:

"Where exactly can I find the poo poo list?"

You don't find the poo, it finds you.

Superkitty says:

"Here's some things I thought of.1. *Anything you post here is open to criticism.* Yes we know everyone has a right to post here and everyone has a right to their own opinion. But people have differing opinions on things and they have just as much right to post as you do. That's why this is a _discussion_ forum. A suggestion: before posting, ask how someone could counter your argument and what you can say about it2. *Don't use slurs against someone's (supposed) race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, etc.* This follows under "personal insults don't make you right." Using terms that fall under these makes you seem especially ignorant, and well, boring - we've heard it all before.3. *Avoid using messages that are in ALL CAPS, that have needless pictures attached (and quoting those pictures needlessly), and end in 15 or 16 exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!* Irritating.4. *Agree to disagree* If you find yourself saying the same points and they're "not getting it," just call it a draw or stop posting. If they didn't believe you when you said it the third time, why the fourth? I know it's a shame that some people don't "get it," but just accept the fact some people won't get the point (This assumes that you're right - see point #5 being wrong isn't the end of the world). A good hint you and the other person are going too far is when other people are posting "why is this thread still going?" or "this is getting boring."5. *Keep nOOb "hunting" to a minimum* Yes, I know nOObs need to be kept under control, and I found some of the messages funny, but some people take this way too far to the point of self-posturing (are you really such a big person for shooting fish in a barrel?), threatening physical violence (I'm not sure if I should takes these as overly silly- are you going to fly 3000 miles to beat someone up? or scary- there are people out there that think this is a solution?), or just being mean and trollish (Someone new: "I was wondering..." Noobhunter1234: "Shut up nOOb!"). There was one of those "I hate nOOb threads" going and it degenerated into two people arguing _why the other one was a n00b_. Don't let the cure be just as bad as the disease. Let's not make the forum a witch hunt in which there are more messages about how everyone hates nOObs (old news), RPG's where "we kick a bunch f(@&ing nOOb @ss" (who's nOObing who?), etc., than there are actual nOObs themselves. Yes there will always be nOObs, just handle them when the time comes."

I like these additions, especially the first.

Moderator
#23 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with those. I don't rpg, so I have no idea about n00bism there. At some point, these are going to have to be consolidated into one document aren't they?

#24 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"I agree with those. I don't rpg, so I have no idea about n00bism there. At some point, these are going to have to be consolidated into one document aren't they?"

yeah...

i'll have a word with the admin and get it posted officially when it's neatened up :D

M

#25 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

K, I'll work on a first (2nd?) draft. When I've finished, I'll post it here for review when I'm done.

#26 Posted by Dr. Doom (259 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll do my best to follow these guidelines

#27 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

A Newbie’s Guide to Life on the Vine

I decided that it might be helpful to come up with a little guide that will help newbies from falling into the trap of n00bism. For those who don't know, a newbie is someone new (all of us at one point), a n00b is someone who refuses to learn. Thanks to Methos and Superkitty for contributions and to those who have helped to review the rules.

The Basics

Whether you are socialising on the boards, discussing your favorite characters, participating in an RPG or debating a battle. These rules are the cornerstone of the Vine.

1.No Nudity
Simple rule, this is a child friendly site with young users. No porn or hentai allowed. There is no middle ground on this rule, it is firm and steadfast. Breaking it will have the mod's coming down on you hard. If you find any in the encyclopedia entries, delete it or notify someone in the forums.
2.No Profanity
Again, this is a child friendly site, keep the profanity to a low setting please. If you must swear to get a point across, something I don't see the point of, use symbols to cover up a few letters.
$ = S
! = I
And so on, it's a form of 'leet' speak that has evolved onto most forums, it gets the message across to most people and keeps the swearing to a minimum.
3Avoid using messages that are in ALL CAPS
Also avoid posts that have needless pictures attached (and quoting those pictures needlessly), and ending with 15 or 16 exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Irritating.
4.Anything you post here is open to criticism.
Yes we know everyone has a right to post here and everyone has a right to their own opinion. But people have differing opinions on things and they have just as much right to post as you do. That's why this is a discussion forum. A suggestion: before posting, ask how someone could counter your argument and what you can say about it.
5.Don't use slurs against someone's (supposed) race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
Using terms that fall under these makes you seem especially ignorant, and well, boring - we've heard it all before. They certainly won’t win you any arguments, let alone friends.


The Art of Debate

We all like to debate which superhero can beat who, or which storylines are better. However, there are certain subjects that have been done to death,. To make matters worse, there are many who seem to wish to bring them up again and again. These are some of them.

1. Hating an entire comic book company.
There is a common belief among the unenlightened, that every character by a certain publisher is the same. Previously, I thought this was confined to just Marvel fans who are ignorant of the DCU beyond it's 'Big Three'. Readers of the Poo Poo list will know better.
The fact is that the majority of artists and writers move between the various publishers and have done so since the late thirties. Both DC and Marvel, as well as many of the independents, have characters created by a host of people and their stories are similarly written and illustrated by a small army of people. The stories at both companies are being written by a number of people (of varying talent) along broad editorial guidelines set out by the publisher and themselves to keep in with various events (World War Hulk, Countdown etc.) and to fit their marketing goals (you can't fill it up with sex, drugs and profanity if you want the youngsters to buy it).
This, helpfully, brings me onto my next point.

2. Hating a long established character There has been many a n00b who, in introducing themselves to the Vine, has then gone on to write a venomous diatribe against a character. These are usually very long, have appalling spelling, alot of needless profanity, make very little sense and feature very few facts. This is not about personal taste, no character in comicdom appeals to everyone. The problem here is that the n00b seems to assume that people whose taste does not match their own is wrong and will tell them so with a great deal of profanity mixed in. They forget that for a character to stay around, their books must be reasonably popular. You don't like powerful characters like Superman, Green Lantern, Silver Surfer or the Hulk, fine. Other people do.
Characters that have been around a while do inherently have bad stories and will have contradictions in their history. These are the inevitabilities of being written by dozens of people over several decades. My advice is to get over it.

3. Power levels don't matter
This takes in both ends of the scale. There are some who feel they need to show how their favourite character can kick around others in an entirely different league. Gambit beating Galactus, Spider-man beating Wonder Woman.. the list goes on. Before you post a highly unlikely scenario where Batman pwns the Fantastic Four, the Avengers and Superman using his fabled 'prep time' (a power that apparently makes him functionally omnipotent), remind yourself that being able to win every battle doesn't make a character good or interesting. Similarly, just because a character can take on the Fantastic Four, the Avengers and Superman, there are still plenty of interesting stories that could be written about him/her/it. It's just more challenging.

4. Personal insults don't make you right
Need I say more? I hope not.

5. Being wrong isn't the end of the world
So you made a mistake. You didn't realise that one of the characters in a battle thread has powers you didn't know about. We've all been there (and it's usually Buckshot who sets us straight). The difference between being a n00b and being new is a matter of humility, admitting you are wrong. This will mean the difference between becoming an accepted member of the Vine or being on the Poo Poo list
6.Agree to disagree
If you find yourself saying the same points and they're "not getting it," just call it a draw or stop posting. If they didn't believe you when you said it the third time, why the fourth? I know it's a shame that some people don't "get it," but just accept the fact some people won't get the point (This assumes that you're right - see point #5 being wrong isn't the end of the world). A good hint you and the other person are going too far is when other people are posting "why is this thread still going?" or "this is getting boring."
7.Keep n00b "hunting" to a minimum
Yes, I know n00bs need to be kept under control, and I found some of the messages funny, but some people take this way too far to the point of self-posturing (are you really such a big person for shooting fish in a barrel?), threatening physical violence (I'm not sure if I should takes these as overly silly- are you going to fly 3000 miles to beat someone up? or scary- there are people out there that think this is a solution?), or just being mean and trollish (Someone new: "I was wondering..." Noobhunter1234: "Shut up n00b!"). There was one of those "I hate n00b threads" going and it degenerated into two people arguing why the other one was a n00b. Don't let the cure be just as bad as the disease. Let's not make the forum a witch hunt in which there are more messages about how everyone hates n00bs (old news), RPG's where "we kick a bunch f(@&ing n00b @ss" (who's n00bing who?), etc., than there are actual n00bs themselves. Yes there will always be n00bs, just handle them when the time comes. The discussion of these rules can be found here:
http://www.comicvine.com/message/rookie-mistakes-or-how-not-to-sound-like-a-n00b/222674/&page=1 Clark’s Bar is a good place to introduce yourself to the community:
http://www.comicvine.com/message/clarks-bar-and-grill/70447/&c=38244&38244
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Post Edited:2007-08-26 17:32:23

#28 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah, thats a fantastic set of rules :D

M

#29 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

Nuts, messed up the formatting with my edit, oops.

#30 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

I always have trouble when I use the really big letters.

#31 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

edit it back lol

M

#32 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

lol, use br / in HTML brackets to break it up as well

M

#33 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

Believe it or not, I did. I just forgot to maintain it when I added the new bits. I was to busy trying to make sure it made sense with the edits to count my brs. I've fixed it on my original anyway.

#34 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

lol ok, i'll see what G-man says about it and get a new thread with it pinned if he agrees with the rules

M

#35 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

nah, i think thats a pretty comprehensive list

M

#36 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going to use my blog to make sure I got it right html-wise. So it'll be over there in all it's glory. Last chance for others to add anything. Post now or forever hold your peace.

#37 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

The version in my blog now is the final edit as far as I'm concerned. On the plus side, I found out that if you leave a space after a hash, you keep the hash in the text. If G-Man has anything he wants to add (or take away) I can sort that tomorrow.

#38 Posted by Terminal Velocity (583 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeap, or people not admiting that Jack Kirby was a genius because they're DC fanboys. He invented Darkseid and the new genesis "new gods" for gods sake.

#39 Posted by Ms. Invisible (3292 posts) - - Show Bio

Wootness, rules! Actually, I've got another one:

Read the FAQ

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#40 Posted by Spectrum (4468 posts) - - Show Bio

saying Marvel is better then DC

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I AM PURE EVEIL HAHAHAHAHAHAH

#41 Posted by Ms. Invisible (3292 posts) - - Show Bio

Spectrum says:

"saying Marvel is better then DCHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I AM PURE EVEIL HAHAHAHAHAHAH"

No.

#42 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Spectrum says:

"saying Marvel is better then DC HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I AM PURE EVEIL HAHAHAHAHAHAH"

That wasn't even close to funny.

#43 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh sentinel, is that she hulk or what as your avatar?

#44 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

Eternal Chaos says:

"Oh sentinel, is that she hulk or what as your avatar?"

It's Jade, the daughter of the original Green Lantern, Alan Scott.

Ms. Invisible says:

"Wootness, rules! Actually, I've got another one: Read the FAQ ===="

I'll add that to the first section as rule 6.

#45 Posted by Superkitty (1089 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it too late to add more? If not have a section about not using the forums as your PM space (that's what they're for). I'm sort of tiring of messages that start out as a relevant topic then end up being "You wanna go to Burger King" "No, ate their already this week" "How about pizza?" "What kind of pizza" I don't care and it bumps down real topics.

#46 Posted by Lantern Prime (13044 posts) - - Show Bio

Eternal Chaos says:

"Spectrum says:
"saying Marvel is better then DC HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I AM PURE EVEIL HAHAHAHAHAHAH"
That wasn't even close to funny."

Marvel is better than DC! In every fashion!

#47 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

Superkitty says:

"Is it too late to add more? If not have a section about not using the forums as your PM space (that's what they're for). I'm sort of tiring of messages that start out as a relevant topic then end up being "You wanna go to Burger King" "No, ate their already this week" "How about pizza?" "What kind of pizza" I don't care and it bumps down real topics."

I'll add it to the first section, though I think it's confined to a couple of people.

SoundWave07 says:

"Eternal Chaos says:
"Spectrum says:
"saying Marvel is better then DC HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I AM PURE EVEIL HAHAHAHAHAHAH"
That wasn't even close to funny."
Marvel is better than DC! In every fashion!"

Besides being very wrong as we all know DC rules ;) this isn't really the place.

#48 Posted by Lantern Prime (13044 posts) - - Show Bio

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"Superkitty says:
"Is it too late to add more? If not have a section about not using the forums as your PM space (that's what they're for). I'm sort of tiring of messages that start out as a relevant topic then end up being "You wanna go to Burger King" "No, ate their already this week" "How about pizza?" "What kind of pizza" I don't care and it bumps down real topics."
I'll add it to the first section, though I think it's confined to a couple of people. SoundWave07 says:
"Eternal Chaos says:
"Spectrum says:
"saying Marvel is better then DC HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I AM PURE EVEIL HAHAHAHAHAHAH"
That wasn't even close to funny."
Marvel is better than DC! In every fashion!"
Besides being very wrong as we all know DC rules ;) this isn't really the place."
Just making a statement thats all.
#49 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

Changed, from my 5 original rules, we now have 14.

#50 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

lol, the updated one on your blog looks kick ass though :D

M