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Posted by TheCannon (16061 posts) - - Show Bio

You can pretty much tell what this is by the title. Everyone always regards Arkham City and Arkham Asylum as the greatest superhero games ever. While they were amazing, they are not as good as Ultimate Alliance. Sure, MUA may not be the best graphics ever in a game, but it's still an amazing game. Here are reasons why it is better than Arkham City and the greatest superhero game of all time.

Scope

The scope of the game is gigantic. It has simple places like the Helicarrier or the Omega Base to more complex areas like Murderworld or Atlantis, to magical places like Mephisto's Realm and Asgard, to cosmic themed areas like the Skull Homeworld and the Shi'ar empire. and that's not even all of it. Arkham City does have a lot to cover, but once you go through enough of it, it just gets old, boring, and frustrating.

Villains

Ultimate Alliance has a HUGE roster of villains. From Dr. Doom to Galactus to Loki to Enchantress to Mephisto to Attuma to Mandarin to MODOK, etc. It's just amazing. Yes, Arkham City did have an enormous roster of villains. But there were just too many, leaving some to do nothing. Two-Face is a prime example of that. He is officially in the game, but what does he do other than have more henchmen for you to face? Then there are villains who are reduced to side missions or cameos. Black Mask deserves better than that. Ultimate Alliance may have A LOT of villains (possibly more than Arkham City), though it's not too much. No one had to be reduced to a cameo or anything. Every villain got their fair time in the spotlight.

Heroes

Does this even have to be explained? The heroes in the game are even more impressive than the villains. With Captain America, Spider-Man, Thor, Wolverine, Iron Man, Storm, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Iceman, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Deadpool, Moon Knight, etc., you can have whoever you like on your team. And you don't have to buy the overpriced DLC in Arkham City. Really, it would of been that hard to throw in at least one mission with Robin that wasn't DLC? MUA has the perfect roster of heroes to go against the perfect roster of villains.

Gameplay

The gameplay in Arkham City is AMAZING, I admit. You could easily entertain yourself for hours by just going around and beating people up (well, for some time at least. More on that later) But there's too much. There's just so much to do you loose track. You have no idea how long it took me to learn and remember how to divebomb. In MUA, there's a lot to do, but it's simple. Easy to remember, equip, etc. Plus they don't try and overdo it.

After You Beat The Game

I admit, I had extreme fun after beating Arkham City. I did some side missions, found easter eggs, got some riddles and riddler trophies, etc. But it's gotten boring. At this point, it's gotten to the point where your only thoughts are "How the f*ck do I get this f*cking riddler trophy!?!" In MUA, sure, it might still be the same thing. But with the amount of people to choose from, you can have equal fun every time playing it as you did the first time. Plus if you failed a side mission, you can try it again the second time around. You can try and find more simulation discs, etc.

The Story

There is no game out there with a more epic story than Ultimate Alliance. Sure, Arkham City was cool, but there was just too much going on. In Ultimate Alliance, the plot is epic, yet simple. Dr. Doom forms the Masters of Evil to try and take over the world, so Nick Fury forms his team to fight the Masters. It's simple, easy to remember, and is cool. Then, as the game progresses, it gets even better. Doom starts by doing simple stuff like attack the Helicarrier, but eventually starts taking us to Mephisto's Realm and Asgard. When it gets to the point where Doom is stealing Odin's power, it's just truly epic. And aside from Doom taking over Earth, there's an even greater threat with his powers destroying the time/space continuum. That's when the Shi'ar (cool plot for that mission) and Galactus come in. Even aside from Doom and the Masters, there are awesome plots when it comes to stuff like Mephisto's Realm. Choosing to save Nightcrawler or Jean Grey. How awesome is that?

In conclusion: Marvel Ultimate Alliance is the greatest superhero game in existence. Sure, Arkham city was cool, though it's not as good as MUA. Ultimate Alliance was better in story, gameplay, villains, etc.

#1 Posted by Juandicimo_Magnifico45 (150 posts) - - Show Bio

Some points you argue I can understand, but some don't make sense. Most of your arguments for why MUA is better, regards how large the game is. Having a larger map and more heroes to play and villains to battle is great. However, using the same argument against the Arkham games doesn't fit. Having so many combat options and ways to defeat enemies for the most part is a great feature. It allows for great replay-ability and variety. Also, the end-game content, at for me, has stood the test of time. With new missions with Catwooman, challenge modes to complete with Batman, Nightwing, and more, there is a lot to do. Plus, there are side missions to complete and murders to solve.

Overall I did like your article though. I can tell from what angle you are coming from.

#2 Posted by TheDarkSalmon (38 posts) - - Show Bio

i think this shows how the marvel is about teams and dc has more intimate character study.

#3 Posted by Agent9149 (2888 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't arkham focused on bat man and his villains and allies. Its not like its gonna encompass characters from other storylines.

#4 Posted by Billy Batson (56875 posts) - - Show Bio

BB

#5 Posted by Lvenger (15993 posts) - - Show Bio

Scope and heroes I agree with. Villains hell no. Most of the villains were reduced to mini bosses with a few lines and special dialogue for certain characters. The Arkhamverse villains had far more depth and character to them and it was their actions rather than the fact Batman fought them that made them important. And the Arkham gameplay is simple too with depth for the more advanced players. There's really no contest gameplay wise I'm afraid as MUA didn't feel like you were some of the heroes on the team. When playing the Arkham games, you instinctively feel like Batman and that's an awesome feat. And you can have just as much fun replaying the Arkham games as you do the first time round

#6 Posted by Manhunter2070 (103 posts) - - Show Bio

To me its comparing apples and oranges. Ultimate Alliance is more of a beat-em up role playing game, where as the Arkham games is a more story driven open world platformer experience.

#7 Posted by SmashBrawler (4741 posts) - - Show Bio

TL;DR

#8 Posted by TDK_1997 (13670 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

BB

This expreses my feeling pretty well.

#9 Posted by TheCannon (16061 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheDarkSalmon said:

i think this shows how the marvel is about teams and dc has more intimate character study.

MUA is still a better game.

@Agent9149 said:

Isn't arkham focused on bat man and his villains and allies. Its not like its gonna encompass characters from other storylines.

They still could of added Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, or someone without having to pay for DLC.

@Billy Batson said:

BB

That's kind of rude. I have no problem with criticism, though this does absolutely nothing except take up room in this thread and show that just about everything is on youtube.

@Lvenger said:

Scope and heroes I agree with. Villains hell no. Most of the villains were reduced to mini bosses with a few lines and special dialogue for certain characters. The Arkhamverse villains had far more depth and character to them and it was their actions rather than the fact Batman fought them that made them important. And the Arkham gameplay is simple too with depth for the more advanced players. There's really no contest gameplay wise I'm afraid as MUA didn't feel like you were some of the heroes on the team. When playing the Arkham games, you instinctively feel like Batman and that's an awesome feat. And you can have just as much fun replaying the Arkham games as you do the first time round

But in Arkham City, several villains were reduced to pointless role (Two-Face), cameos (Killer Croc), or side missions (Bane). And when we finally did get to someone who had a major role and a boss fight with them, it was lacking something (like most boss battles in the Arkham games).

@SmashBrawler said:

TL;DR

What?

#10 Posted by SmashBrawler (4741 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by TheCannon (16061 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmashBrawler

Then why would you even comment if you didn't read it?

#12 Posted by Zyrok (37 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, I see the same flaws in your arguments that already have been mentioned.

You praise MUA for having a lot of villains and heros, and say this is good, variety is good, yet you blame Arkham City for having 'too much things to do'. I can't see the logic in this. If all the characters in MUA play the same, other than skins, where's the fun in that?

And your story argument is that MUA is more simple. Well, yeah, that's why it's weak. it's TOO straightforward. Arkham games have a really solid story,specially the first one. And the voice acting is amazing. ANd, you said yourself, the graphics in Arkhamverse are better.

So... You give gameplay to MUA, I dispute that, but fine. Arkham wins in graphics, story and voice acting. IMO, it wins in gameplay as well.

#13 Posted by ZEELLO (223 posts) - - Show Bio

Is MUA good on PSP? Maybe I should play it.

#14 Posted by SoA (4592 posts) - - Show Bio

@ZEELLO: i think you get mar-vell and ronin in the psp version

#15 Posted by TheCannon (16061 posts) - - Show Bio

@ZEELLO said:

Is MUA good on PSP? Maybe I should play it.

@ZEELLO said:

Is MUA good on PSP? Maybe I should play it.

It does have Hawkeye, Ronin, Captain Mar-vell, and Black Widow on the PSP. However, it doesn't have Colossus or Moon Knight (it's impossible to have the X-men). IF you can find it cheap, I recommend getting it, simply because you can then play it ANYWHERE.

#16 Posted by gravitypress (2069 posts) - - Show Bio

Freedom Force game FTW

#17 Posted by TheCannon (16061 posts) - - Show Bio

@gravitypress said:

Freedom Force game FTW

That's irrelevant to the topic.

#18 Posted by gravitypress (2069 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon: So is comparing an action game to a RPG game. If you wanted a decent comparison you would have chosen the Justice league action/RPG to compare MUA.

#19 Posted by Inverno (12821 posts) - - Show Bio

You can't really compare these games when they belong to different genres. Both games are great in their own ways. Its almost like if I want to compare Elder Scrolls to Assassin's Creed.

#20 Posted by MrShway88 (653 posts) - - Show Bio

In the end it's just one's opinion.

#21 Posted by SmashBrawler (4741 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon: Because I can and I want to.

And that TL;DR isn't accurate, since I did read some of this (and I ended up reading all of it now). All of your points have been thoroughly debunked, so there's nothing I can add to this discussion anyway.

#22 Posted by War Killer (19482 posts) - - Show Bio

Both, in my opinion, are great games that will put a smile on the faces of most comic book fans, but to compare them to find out which one is "better" is both silly and pointless and therefor unneeded.

#23 Posted by Highlander_615 (210 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay your argument about the villains is pretty weak. Sure there are a lot more villains in MUA than Arkham City, but they don't exactly play a important role other than boss fight, they aren't integral to the story. Even if you say, Black Mask and Deadshot got a little cameo in screentime, most villains like Lizard and Shocker received as much screentime. Other than that, I see a pretty biased opinion here.

#24 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (19489 posts) - - Show Bio

@CaioTrubat said:

You can't really compare these games when they belong to different genres. Both games are great in their own ways. Its almost like if I want to compare Elder Scrolls to Assassin's Creed.

I agree.

#25 Posted by RedQueen (1171 posts) - - Show Bio

@CaioTrubat said:

You can't really compare these games when they belong to different genres. Both games are great in their own ways. Its almost like if I want to compare Elder Scrolls to Assassin's Creed.

But that would totally be the Elder Scrolls. :P

Gonna have to agree with mass consensus on this, whilst I absolutely loved MUA (and even the second one), Arkham City is a better game. Not in every way, but in most definitely. It's all round a more "solid" game experience.

#26 Posted by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

I like both games, though I prefer Arkham City.

Do you plan on playing Marvel Heroes? It looks to be a spiritual successor to the Ultimate Alliance games, only it's online and is designed by the guy that made Diablo 1 & 2 (not 3). The Athene live-stream convinced me to give it a try, so I pre-ordered the X-Men pack last night.

#27 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1491 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

BB

#28 Edited by JakeN7 (4592 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon: Did our conversation in the comic book games tournament thread inspire you to make this thread by any chance?

#29 Edited by BiteMe-Fanboy (7118 posts) - - Show Bio

I like MUA a lot better than Arkham City. I already played through it over 6 times. And with all the characters you can play as it really never gets boring. Plus, it introduced me to many new characters. After playing as Moon Knight it made me want to read his comics. Now I am a fan of his. Same with a lot of other characters. It was a great game.

#30 Posted by TheCannon (16061 posts) - - Show Bio

@JakeN7 said:

@TheCannon: Did our conversation in the comic book games tournament thread inspire you to make this thread by any chance?

Kind of.

#31 Posted by TheCannon (16061 posts) - - Show Bio

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

I like MUA a lot better than Arkham City. I already played through it over 6 times. And with all the characters you can play as it really never gets boring. Plus, it introduced me to many new characters. After playing as Moon Knight it made me want to read his comics. Now I am a fan of his. Same with a lot of other characters. It was a great game.

Only six? Lightweight.

And I agree with everything you've said. Only difference is it got me interested in Thor (which is now my favorite hero).

#32 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

they're differente.

I really like both though, freaking awesome games that need GOOD sequels that can capture and inovate the feel

#33 Posted by x_29 (2272 posts) - - Show Bio

Arkham City/Asylum are better. MUA kicks azz though.

#34 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1545 posts) - - Show Bio

@Manhunter2070 said:

To me its comparing apples and oranges. Ultimate Alliance is more of a beat-em up role playing game, where as the Arkham games is a more story driven open world platformer experience.
#35 Posted by Kiltro95 (290 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally think of MUA as more of a beat em up game true it has a great naturally progressing story but occasionally it feels like the heroes you pick are just there moving through the phases, yet some of the witty special banter between characters keeps the game alive and a great way to get to know each character is through the simulation disks (that reminds me I need to finish them all), and the way how Uatu tells you how each of your actions would affect the Marvel Universe was a great addition and it makes the player feel like a hero because of there actions, which is what makes it a great game about SUPERHEROES (plural). Batman Arkham is a great SUPERHERO (singular) adventure game because it makes you feel like Batman you are there for a purpose you are there trying to stop the Joker and other Rogues you are Batman.

#36 Posted by Jack Donaghy (828 posts) - - Show Bio

You forgot your number 1 reason for why you think Ultimate Alliance is better, your apparent mortal enemy Batman isn't in it.

#37 Posted by Saren (24306 posts) - - Show Bio

Number of sharks punched in MUA: 0

Number of sharks punched in Arkham City: 1

Simple mathematics shows that AC is thus infinite times superior to MUA.

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#38 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

Please bro. MUA isn't even better than Rise of the Imperfects and that game was *fart noise with tongue*.

#39 Posted by TheAcidSkull (15894 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol Wha?

#40 Posted by GodOfMischief (616 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Marvel better, but Arkham City is easily better than Ultimate Alliance in my opinion.

#41 Posted by Big_Nasty (338 posts) - - Show Bio

I played both and both games were good but c'mon. MUA was a rinse and repeat of the X-men legends series and AA/AC brought comic book game on a whole new level of repect.

#42 Posted by TheCannon (16061 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jack Donaghy said:

You forgot your number 1 reason for why you think Ultimate Alliance is better, your apparent mortal enemy Batman isn't in it.

I do not hate Batman. I love the character, his games, and most of his movies (Batman Forever and Batman & Robin sucked. And the more I think about it, The Dark Knight wasn't anything special). But MUA is a better game.

@CitizenBane said:

Number of sharks punched in MUA: 0

Number of sharks punched in Arkham City: 1

Simple mathematics shows that AC is thus infinite times superior to MUA.

The idea of Batman not being killed by a shark immediately makes MUA better.

@FalconPuuunch said:

Please bro. MUA isn't even better than Rise of the Imperfects and that game was *fart noise with tongue*.

Never played Rise of the Imperfects, although I already know MUA is far superior.

@TheAcidSkull said:

Lol Wha?

MUA is better than Arkham City. Every reason is listed in the OP.

#43 Posted by TheAcidSkull (15894 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon: lol ok!

#44 Posted by Jigme (25 posts) - - Show Bio

GTA San Andreas

#45 Posted by TheCannon (16061 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jigme said:

GTA San Andreas

That's irrelevant to the topic.

#46 Posted by KingAres109 (1073 posts) - - Show Bio

Arkham City stomps in everyway.I played alot of Marvel heroes solo games and the only 1 is good are Spider-Man and Wolverine.The only X-Men game I even liked was on Sega.Lol....Sorry but MUA is a beat'em up.Nuff said...

#47 Posted by Mannequin (252 posts) - - Show Bio

In no day and age will MUA ever be better than the Arkham franchise. I've played both games, and while I absolutely loved MUA it doesn't hold a candle to the Arkham series. If I were you I'd reevaluate my thinking on the matter.

#48 Posted by consolemaster001 (4473 posts) - - Show Bio
#49 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (11714 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger said:

Scope and heroes I agree with. Villains hell no. Most of the villains were reduced to mini bosses with a few lines and special dialogue for certain characters. The Arkhamverse villains had far more depth and character to them and it was their actions rather than the fact Batman fought them that made them important. And the Arkham gameplay is simple too with depth for the more advanced players. There's really no contest gameplay wise I'm afraid as MUA didn't feel like you were some of the heroes on the team. When playing the Arkham games, you instinctively feel like Batman and that's an awesome feat. And you can have just as much fun replaying the Arkham games as you do the first time round

this. Arkham City had an epic story as well and you really never knew how things were going to turn out.

#50 Posted by Lvenger (15993 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt: With Paul Dini writing the story, I was expecting something like that to be the case with the story. It's a shame he isn't writing any Batman comics at the moment.