real life milltary is overrated or underrate?

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you think they overrate or underrate on this site and why?

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Underrated hard. Infantry are basically thousands of Punishers with enough firepower to kill most superheroes (and that's before you get into some of the heavier guns, armoured vehicles, and the Air Force), but since they're nobodies as far as the reader is concerned, they're dismissed as easily as a gaggle of Gotham City toughs.

In a world where non-powered crime fighters and criminal masterminds can hang in there with powerhouses, it stands to reason that an organization with the mandates, manpower and resources of the military knows how to handle a rogue super hero, even a powerhouse.

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Underrated.

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Underrated severely.

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Its underrated especially given the fact that many of their best weapons remain classified to the public plus the generally accepted rule that the military is always 20 years ahead of the civilian sector technology wise. So most of the stuff people imagine the military might have in comics or fiction in reality they prob already have in some fashion.

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Underrated

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I solo everyone below Venom level.

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Underrated. Trust me.

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After seeing the "Wirzards Vs SWAT" thread, overrated.

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I don't think people are aware of just how powerful the U.S. Military truly is.

No country in the world could challenge us on a neutral playing field.

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#12  Edited By jasonhawke

Both.

People think there's a huge difference in military strength when it comes to the U.S. too, lol

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*Wizards. This phone i swear this phone.

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@jasonhawke: Nope. No one can challenge us. They'll need to align to beat us.

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Underrated to the max. In every single comic book/movie the US military, the real worlds greatest superpower, is always reduced to a gang of poorly organized incompetent morons.

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#16  Edited By AlphaQ

Underrated. Although if a fictional charter beat militray in a piece of fiction I wouldn't say that the military is less effective in that piece, only portrayed inaccurately or bad compared to the fictional character.

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@jasonhawke: Nope. No one can challenge us. They'll need to align to beat us.

Hey, as long as you feel safe. I won't try to convince you otherwise.

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@jasonhawke: you're not one of those Russian kids who think Mother Russia is a challenger to U.S. hegemony, are you?

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LOL

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me think with prep united world milltary>black adam and shazam

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@jasonhawke: you're not one of those Russian kids who think Mother Russia is a challenger to U.S. hegemony, are you?

Нет , конечно, нет, не не быть глупым

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@jasonhawke: IS that how you spell "Freedom" in Russian?

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Definitely overrated.

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oh boy

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JSOC and the bad boys are tough

But they hold no candle to a singular being that can crush planets under their hands like apple crumble, they just operate on a different scale.

Are Navy SEALs badass? hell yeah, they can easily one up charles whitman and erase a county or more. However against the likes of an Omega Level Mutant they might as well be Burger King fry cooks.

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against the average superhuman, they are underrated but against the likes of superman, they are overrated

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@kyrees said:

against the average superhuman, they are underrated but against the likes of superman, they are overrated

This.

They can round up zeta-epsilon mutants and do with them what the germans did with the joos in WW2?

However people like Dr Strange, Superman are OCP for them.

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#28  Edited By sinikettu

@spambot said:

Its underrated especially given the fact that many of their best weapons remain classified to the public plus the generally accepted rule that the military is always 20 years ahead of the civilian sector technology wise. So most of the stuff people imagine the military might have in comics or fiction in reality they prob already have in some fashion.

That's actually more of a Hollywoodism. Real life field armies are reliant on tried and true weapons & tech and tend to use the cheapest and most rugged equip they can get from their contractors because war is EXPENSIVE as fuck and if you equip your 50 000-100 000 guys with $10 000-20 000 worth of high tech it better be well-tested and rugged enough to withstand a whole lot of wear and tear. So most armies equip their armies with "only" around $2000-3000 worth of gear and leave the 'best toys' to specialised units to shave the costs.

The problem with fighting as an army against a group of mutants is the same as waging a counter-guerilla war against irregular troops in an asymmetrical warfare. It would require its own thread to discuss all the nuances fully, so I'll leave it at that.

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@sinikettu: I am not talking about the equipment your average infantryman is deployed with. I am talking about the programs that are kept secret and developed by agencies such as darpa.

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@spambot: You mean LSD-tests, goat staring-trials and such? That stuff is kept secret for a reason.

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#31  Edited By Spambot

@sinikettu: Not really. I mean things such as weather manipulation and scalar technology. Nanotechnology as well.

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I think singular marines, special forces, and infantry are overrated. The power of the US military as a whole however, is very very underrated. Part of the reason why The Dark Knight Rises was so annoying to me. Were we really to believe that the military was sitting around with their thumb up their ass while Bane was running rampant in a US city with a population of millions? Oh sorry, the military sent in three special forces guys. Wow.

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I think singular marines, special forces, and infantry are overrated. The power of the US military as a whole however, is very very underrated. Part of the reason why The Dark Knight Rises was so annoying to me. Were we really to believe that the military was sitting around with their thumb up their ass while Bane was running rampant in a US city with a population of millions? Oh sorry, the military sent in three special forces guys. Wow.

I agree. While the idea of a singular "badass" or elite team is more compatible with comics and Hollywood escapism, strength is in numbers and firepower. A modern military easily has the tactics and weaponry to destroy any Batman villain, and with billions doubtlessly poured into counter-metahuman research, probably even greater threats as well. The only thing protecting Gotham's criminal empires from being dismantled is the government's reluctance to declare martial law in one of its own cities.

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Depends on how under rated we are talking about. I mean countries militries are better than others. But the regular infantry are under rated alot and I mean Punisher is good and all so he would probably be on par with someone in Spetsnaz or SAS. So would make him better than a marine but you know in a comic he would kill 100,000 Spetsnaz or SAS if he had to, to get to a target.

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@superguy1591 said:

@jasonhawke: Nope. No one can challenge us. They'll need to align to beat us.

Hey, as long as you feel safe. I won't try to convince you otherwise.

Does it really matter? It would depend on circumstances and surprise attacks ect... I mean a team of Marines or Spetsnaz could cause havoc for either side.

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Depends on how under rated we are talking about. I mean countries militries are better than others. But the regular infantry are under rated alot and I mean Punisher is good and all so he would probably be on par with someone in Spetsnaz or SAS. So would make him better than a marine but you know in a comic he would kill 100,000 Spetsnaz or SAS if he had to, to get to a target.

And that's what I like to call narrative favoritism. Frank is one of many, difference is, only he got angry and started shooting people in the streets.

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@darthmummy: Punisher is just a character everyone knows as ex military.

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@guru_crack: True. I guess what I as getting at is that costumed characters' abilities tend to get blown out of proportion, so Punisher is seen as the living incarnation of war, while the military that trained him gets underrated.

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I once read about an indian soldier that was able to fight against 40 guys (some were armed with knifes) at the same time.

He not only survived, he won

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Highly underrated.

@kyrees said:

against the average superhuman, they are underrated but against the likes of superman, they are overrated

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@kyrees said:

against the average superhuman, they are underrated but against the likes of superman, they are overrated

This.

They can round up zeta-epsilon mutants and do with them what the germans did with the joos in WW2?

However people like Dr Strange, Superman are OCP for them.

This. They can't do much against a man who casually crushes planets by punching them.

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I want to emphasize an aspect of the military that I think gets underrated in stories. Intelligence gathering. We are finding people in caves and underground bunkers in the middle of nowhere and have the NSA tapping probably every electronic device in the country (other countries too probably). If they want to find someone I don't think any mid-tier or lower villain could hide from them and they would probably know everyone's secret identity.

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@darthmummy: Yea exactly my point. But thats comics. If we wanted everything to be realistic we wouldn't be reading them now would we? haha.

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@guru_crack: No, but within the story, the military usually represents an escalation of force, like the SWAT team in Batman: Year One. If the central character shrugs off this escalation like it's nothing, it doesn't make for a very exciting comic.

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@darthmummy: Yea but these days 90% of heroes or villains shrug off the military.

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@perethorn: That's what propaganda gets you. India's military might comes from their numbers, not their strength. That's why the Chinese will always be the stronger power in that region--no one outnumbers the Chinese(see the last time they fought a war.)

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Severely underrated by the majority and MAYBE overrated by a minority who actually know what the combined world military is capable of.

Most people assume the power of any military is equivalent to what we're shown in television and in movies. That a military force is only capable of dealing with other military forces and that if they ever come across something unnatural they will be destroyed. It's just how fiction works because the writer needs a way to have their threat be something that ONLY the hero can defeat, even if realistically it would likely be handled by a group of professionals. So the writer ignores certain lesser known technologies and make the military force less efficient and competent than it's real world counterpart so the narrative can unfold.

While this practice is fine on it's own a lot of people do learn what they know of the world through movies. Even though we are aware movies are fake we tend to assume anything that is shown on film that actually exists in our world is being shown accurately, since we have no reason to assume otherwise. We can tell that the dragon is not real because dragons don't exist, but when we see something we know exists, like a U.S. soldier, we just accept it as a U.S. soldier and that it's abilities and actions, unless suspension of disbelief is broken, will reflect the real world equivalent.

So a large number of people, who themselves have no knowledge on how a real world military functions or what it's fully capable of, will go off what they know from the depictions of said military from various media, which results in them severely underestimating the military force in any given debate.

Because there are so many people who severely underrate a military power other, more informed, debaters will have a natural inclination toward overestimating said military power. It's a natural reaction to seeing misinformed individuals who are so adamant that they know what they are talking about.

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#50  Edited By Spambot

@trickyman86: Please don't act like you have the slightest clue what the us military does or doesn't have technology wise. The us and Russia signed a treaty to disavow the use of weather manipulation technology against eachother all the way back in 1978. Just believe w/e you want regarding what technologies the militaries of the world possess but don't be under the delusion that I need or want to hear your opinion on what I've stated above. Nanotechnology has been around for a while now.