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#1  Edited By bump1010

Simple question, which would you say is better: Spider-mans spider-sense or daredevils radar sense and which would you rather have? Just a comparison of these 2 abilities....

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#2  Edited By Cap10nate

@bump1010: I would go with the radar sense. It allows DD to know where people/things are all around and in different rooms/bldgs as opposed to the spider sense that warns of danger.

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#4  Edited By Strider1992

Which is better? Kinda hard to decide really. Spider-man's spider-sense is more effective in combat but radar sense is more versatile and more useful in day to day life. To put it bluntly if you're going to be in a lot of fights then spider-sense is definitely more efficient but if you just want something to make day to day life easier/amusing then radar sense is the one to pick.

Unless of course you're allowed to train you're spider-sense to this level:

In which case spider-sense outclasses radar sense by a lot.

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#5  Edited By fodigg

@Strider92: I hated that what if so much. "Hey, let's invert what makes Spider-Man Spider-Man and let him wantonly kill people, and then show how much more powerful and successful and popular he is because that's what killing gets you!"

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#6  Edited By Jorgevy

I think spidey-sense would help a lot, specially if you happen to be plenty dangerous situations. you don't have to worry about crossing the street, going into a bad neighborhood,etc... but radar sense would be pretty awesome.

I think I'd want radar sense because it woud be easier to become a hero with it. Spider sense is good too but I think it would be harder

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#7  Edited By Strider1992

@fodigg: Doesn't change how much more efficient that form of SS is!

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@Strider92: I hated that what if so much. "Hey, let's invert what makes Spider-Man Spider-Man and let him wantonly kill people, and then show how much more powerful and successful and popular he is because that's what killing gets you!"

Isn't that the point of What Ifs? To put characters in scenarios their 616 counterpart would never be in or to alter their character style? 
 
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Which is better? Kinda hard to decide really. Spider-man's spider-sense is more effective in combat but radar sense is more versatile and more useful in day to day life. To put it bluntly if you're going to be in a lot of fights then spider-sense is definitely more efficient but if you just want something to make day to day life easier/amusing then radar sense is the one to pick.

Unless of course you're allowed to train you're spider-sense to this level:

In which case spider-sense outclasses radar sense by a lot.

I don't believe Spider-Sense is any more effective in combat than Radar sense or in day to day life. There really isn't anything Spider-sense does for Daredevil that radar sense doesn't do for Daredevil. 
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#9  Edited By Strider1992

@Vance Astro: I'm pretty sure radar-sense is a lot more useful in general as its more versatile but in combat spidersense doesn't just tell you you're about to be attacked but also how to avoid it. In a combat situation i'd take that over radar-sense but in general situations radar-sense is obviously more useful.

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#10  Edited By TheDude123

Radar sense.

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#11  Edited By Deranged Midget

I'd prefer Spider-sense, especially if you build it the level of the "What-if" story.

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#12  Edited By fodigg

@Strider92 said:

@fodigg: Doesn't change how much more efficient that form of SS is!

I guess, except that it's way, way beyond anything we've seen before or since.

@Vance Astro said:

@fodigg said:

@Strider92: I hated that what if so much. "Hey, let's invert what makes Spider-Man Spider-Man and let him wantonly kill people, and then show how much more powerful and successful and popular he is because that's what killing gets you!"

Isn't that the point of What Ifs? To put characters in scenarios their 616 counterpart would never be in or to alter their character style?

Yes, but usually they're more nuanced than this. It read like "Spider-Man sucks and should really be more like Punisher, that'd be cool." It wasn't interesting.

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Spider Senses.

Better for driving.

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#14  Edited By mettlekm

If i was in combat situations, Spidey sense. But since I'm not, i'll go with radar sense. Only drawback is I'd have to keep the music volume on low cause i'd have sensitive ears.

Good question!

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#15  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

Spider Senses.

Better for driving.

Not really. If you had radar sense and you weren't blind, you would drive just as well as someone with Spider-Sense. 
 
@Strider92 said:

@Vance Astro: I'm pretty sure radar-sense is a lot more useful in general as its more versatile but in combat spidersense doesn't just tell you you're about to be attacked but also how to avoid it. In a combat situation i'd take that over radar-sense but in general situations radar-sense is obviously more useful.

That's what I'm saying though I don't see why Spider-sense would be better for combat, it doesn't tell Spider-Man any more about a situation than it tells Daredevil.
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#16  Edited By Superguy0009e

Spider Sense, more useful for everyday life.

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#17  Edited By soduh2

Spider-Sense seems to do a better job at providing event specific alerts, while Radar sense is more all around awareness.

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#18  Edited By Strider1992

@Vance Astro said:

That's what I'm saying though I don't see why Spider-sense would be better for combat, it doesn't tell Spider-Man any more about a situation than it tells Daredevil.

Well I agree radar does tell you more about a situation. For example if you are in a dark room full of enemies you'll know exactly how many they are and where they were but you would have to rely on you're own discretion to guess who was going to attack first and when and how to dodge. Alternatively with spider-sense although you won't know where they are in the room or even how many there are the sense tells you when you need to dodge and which way/how to do it.

Think of the combat situation as a question. Spidersense is like having someone tell you exactly what the answer is without even reading the question. Whereas radar-sense simply gives you all the information to find the answer yourself rather than telling you.

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#19  Edited By kasino

radar sense very easily you know about everything around you, spidey sense warns you when the attack is coming but with his other powers nothing can be done about the attack you didn't have a full second to worry about Spidey with radar sense would never get that initial hit from the likes of his bigger baddies becasue he would alrady know of their presence before the second they attack. Daredevil is so underused, street level but he is as much a hero as Black Panther, Capt, Hawkeye fight as well as anyone/peak human which Cap has thru the serum should be consistently be used by Sheild, has his radar sense that not only picks up humans but any sort of detection from hearing or sent

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#20  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@Strider92 said:

For example if you are in a dark room full of enemies you'll know exactly how many they are and where they were but you would have to rely on you're own discretion to guess who was going to attack first and when and how to dodge. 

DD can tell when someone is about to attack by listening to their heart.
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radar sense very easily you know about everything around you, spidey sense warns you when the attack is coming but with his other powers nothing can be done about the attack you didn't have a full second to worry about Spidey with radar sense would never get that initial hit from the likes of his bigger baddies becasue he would alrady know of their presence before the second they attack. Daredevil is so underused, street level but he is as much a hero as Black Panther, Capt, Hawkeye fight as well as anyone/peak human which Cap has thru the serum should be consistently be used by Sheild, has his radar sense that not only picks up humans but any sort of detection from hearing or sent
Daredevil is underused? 
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#22  Edited By Strider1992

@Vance Astro said:

DD can tell when someone is about to attack by listening to their heart.

True but it also has a limit as to how far it can be projected. I seem to remember someone managing to shoot DD because his radar sense didn't reach that far. Something that wouldn't be a problem for spidersense and you missed my main point.

While radar can tell you how many people there are and where they are (and as you rightly informed me if they are about to attack) it does not tell you what to do to avoid danger. That part is up to you. Whereas spidersense informs you of the danger and what to do to avoid it hence the reason spider-man sometimes closes his eyes and flies into auto-pilot.

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#23  Edited By TheCannon

@Strider92 said:

Which is better? Kinda hard to decide really. Spider-man's spider-sense is more effective in combat but radar sense is more versatile and more useful in day to day life. To put it bluntly if you're going to be in a lot of fights then spider-sense is definitely more efficient but if you just want something to make day to day life easier/amusing then radar sense is the one to pick.

Unless of course you're allowed to train you're spider-sense to this level:

In which case spider-sense outclasses radar sense by a lot.

This

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@Strider92 said:

True but it also has a limit as to how far it can be projected. I seem to remember someone managing to shoot DD because his radar sense didn't reach that far. 

If you mean when that sniper grazed his face. The sniper wasn't actually that far away and DD heard the shot. I think maybe he didn't have enough time to react. 
 
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While radar can tell you how many people there are and where they are (and as you rightly informed me if they are about to attack) it does not tell you what to do to avoid danger. That part is up to you. Whereas spidersense informs you of the danger and what to do to avoid it hence the reason spider-man sometimes closes his eyes and flies into auto-pilot.

I don't think Spider-sense does that either because the Punisher has anticipated Spider-Man and used it to shoot him. If the Spider-sense told him how to dodge he wouldn't have been using his instincts. He would have known what to do from the beginning.
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#25  Edited By kasino

@Vance Astro: of course last collectable issue? role in marvel events? most identifiable team for the company has he been a member of?

you just know about DD because he is iconic but he doesn't do crossovers and has been in the background for some time now

what have we seen from Marvel Now you don't even see him in the Marvel Now promo's...Thats Cyclops in red

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@Vance Astro said:

@Strider92 said:

While radar can tell you how many people there are and where they are (and as you rightly informed me if they are about to attack) it does not tell you what to do to avoid danger. That part is up to you. Whereas spidersense informs you of the danger and what to do to avoid it hence the reason spider-man sometimes closes his eyes and flies into auto-pilot.

I don't think Spider-sense does that either because the Punisher has anticipated Spider-Man and used it to shoot him. If the Spider-sense told him how to dodge he wouldn't have been using his instincts. He would have known what to do from the beginning.

I'm pretty sure it does work they way. He's used that exact ability against Daken and in a few other cases:

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@Vance Astro: of course last collectable issue? role in marvel events? most identifiable team for the company has he been a member of?

you just know about DD because he is iconic but he doesn't do crossovers and has been in the background for some time now

what have we seen from Marvel Now you don't even see him in the Marvel Now promo's...Thats Cyclops in red

His last collectible issue is Daredevil #500 which came out in 2009. He had his own event called Shadowland right after that and he's currently a member of the New Avengers. The Avengers isn't a team that he's usually associated with but that's because he's been a loner for most of his existence, but Marvel is starting to see how leaving him out of things is hurting his sales since they have been doing events every year. He was an Avenger during Fear Itself and just did a crossover with Spider-Man and Punisher called "The Omega Effect". What's happening in his own comics have prevented him from actually being a part of certain things, like for instance he was in jail during Civil War so Iron Fist was Daredevil. I don't see him in Marvel NOW's promos but his new ongoing just began this year. 
 
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@Vance Astro said:

@Strider92 said:

While radar can tell you how many people there are and where they are (and as you rightly informed me if they are about to attack) it does not tell you what to do to avoid danger. That part is up to you. Whereas spidersense informs you of the danger and what to do to avoid it hence the reason spider-man sometimes closes his eyes and flies into auto-pilot.

I don't think Spider-sense does that either because the Punisher has anticipated Spider-Man and used it to shoot him. If the Spider-sense told him how to dodge he wouldn't have been using his instincts. He would have known what to do from the beginning.

I'm pretty sure it does work they way. He's used that exact ability against Daken and in a few other cases:

The first set of scans is clear but what are the ones with Daken supposed to be showing?
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@Vance Astro said:

The first set of scans is clear but what are the ones with Daken supposed to be showing?

That after he realized he couldn't win due to Daken's pheromones he closed his eyes (seen in the 1st page) and proceeded to fight blind with only his spider-sense to guide him away from attacks.

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#29  Edited By the_stegman  Moderator

spider sense for me.

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@Strider92 said:

That after he realized he couldn't win due to Daken's pheromones he closed his eyes (seen in the 1st page) and proceeded to fight blind with only his spider-sense to guide him away from attacks.

Ok, so this is the part I don't get. If Spider-Man can still know what's coming with his eyes closed, wouldn't Radar sense still be the same because Daredevil can't see any way but he always knows what's coming?
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#31  Edited By kasino

has a later collectible but not in a even that was 3 years agao and not on the scale of the civil war/hulk returning/AvX you acknowledge its hurting his sales and rightfully so and didn't Waid's DD start in 2011 and haven't been recieved as other works since events are the top sellers and the main characters protrayed in events coming in 2nd Marvel Now is a reboot regardless of ongoing series, which I believe started a year ago, there is supposed to be new canon for this character....are right he has had brief run ins with the Avengers that happened years ago.............Daredevil is underused and is as iconic as anyone in Marvel maybe not named Spiderman as he is their most symbolic

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@Vance Astro said:

@Strider92 said:

That after he realized he couldn't win due to Daken's pheromones he closed his eyes (seen in the 1st page) and proceeded to fight blind with only his spider-sense to guide him away from attacks.

Ok, so this is the part I don't get. If Spider-Man can still know what's coming with his eyes closed, wouldn't Radar sense still be the same because Daredevil can't see any way but he always knows what's coming?

That part is the same yes. The difference is that Daredevil has to consciously decide to move and do it in time. Spidersense automatically guides Spider-man through danger by almost forcing him to move before the danger becomes completely apparent. For example say someone was pointing a gun at DD. Matt know's when the guy is going to pull the trigger but he consciously has to make himself move at the right time to avoid it. When someone points a gun at Peter his spidersense will instinctively make him move at the right time to escape unharmed effectively increasing his reaction time to danger.

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#33  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@Strider92 said:

That part is the same yes. The difference is that Daredevil has to consciously decide to move and do it in time. Spidersense automatically guides Spider-man through danger by almost forcing him to move before the danger becomes completely apparent. For example say someone was pointing a gun at DD. Matt know's when the guy is going to pull the trigger but he consciously has to make himself move at the right time to avoid it. When someone points a gun at Peter his spidersense will instinctively make him move at the right time to escape unharmed effectively increasing his reaction time to danger.

Oh, ok..I get it now.
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has a later collectible but not in a even that was 3 years agao and not on the scale of the civil war/hulk returning/AvX you acknowledge its hurting his sales and rightfully so and didn't Waid's DD start in 2011 and haven't been recieved as other works since events are the top sellers and the main characters protrayed in events coming in 2nd Marvel Now is a reboot regardless of ongoing series, which I believe started a year ago, there is supposed to be new canon for this character....are right he has had brief run ins with the Avengers that happened years ago.............Daredevil is underused and is as iconic as anyone in Marvel maybe not named Spiderman as he is their most symbolic

Yes, that was 3 years ago but again these things happen do to what happens in DD's solo. Daredevil's book went into the Shadowland event in 2010, he stopped being DD at the end of it. Daredevil Reborn was the miniseries they were using to bring DD back into comics. That was my mistake on when Waid's run started, the first 5 issues came out in 2011 but again because of things that were happening in his books he couldn't be in certain events. Events do boost sales but HERC appeared in Fear Itself and his book still got cancelled after 12 issues. Daredevil DOES appear in the Marvel NOWl, previews. Daredevil: End of Days written by Bendis is upcoming. He doesn't appear as an Avenger but that doesn't mean he won't be on the team.
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#35  Edited By thetrellan

I'm not sure if many writers even know this now, but there was a story where Spider-Man lost his vision during a team up with Daredevil. After awhile he began to sense things all around him, suggesting that Matt Murdock was right all these years to fear losing his radar sense if he ever got his vision back.

In other words, spider sense IS radar sense. They're the same thing.

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#36  Edited By kasino

@Vance Astro: HERC isn't as iconic as DD but do understand what your saying that its not a given that you will sale. But Iron Fist as DD was in the Civil War and had much time in the even as Howard the Duck

still Marvel now doesn't have promo's for DD while the site shows everyone else. From X-men fraction teams. I'm not saying you had to look it up, you probably already knew about it but that wasn't front and center.

DD is underused

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#37  Edited By TheGoldenOne
Spider sense.
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Radar sense.

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#39  Edited By SoA

wouldnt you need spidey's reaction time and agility otherwise you'll know you are under attack but can do very little to defend or evade?

ill go with radar sense

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#40  Edited By btmt

SPIDER-SENSE!!

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#41  Edited By The_Peter_Cosmic

I think spider sense is cooler, but I'd go with radar sense because knowing I was about to be hit a split second before I was hit wouldn't do me much good as someone with normal human agility and reaction times.

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#42  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@kasino said:

@Vance Astro: HERC isn't as iconic as DD but do understand what your saying that its not a given that you will sale. But Iron Fist as DD was in the Civil War and had much time in the even as Howard the Duck

Maybe he is technically underused, but I don't think it's because Marvel doesn't care about the character or they planned for him to play the background, I think they just gave his iconic status more credit than it deserved. I think they were trying to make moves with Daredevil without doing anything OOC with his character to try and boost sales. Daredevil had major story arcs happening during Marvel's company wide events. Iron Fist was DD in Civil War but he only appeared as a member of Cap's Secret Avengers and he hadn't taken over DD's book because it was during the "Devil in Cell Block-D arc" which shows Matt in jail. Iron Fist doesn't appear in Daredevil until Matt gets out and Iron Fist doesn't join the Avengers until 2010. 
 
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still Marvel now doesn't have promo's for DD while the site shows everyone else. From X-men fraction teams. I'm not saying you had to look it up, you probably already knew about it but that wasn't front and center.

DD is underused

Marvel has solicitations out for month's to come from Daredevil's solo and his "End of Days" miniseries. He doesn't appear in the Marvel NOW promos because unlike other solo books, his isn't getting rebooted. Hulk,Thor,Captain America,Deadpool & Iron Man are.
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#43  Edited By stephens2177

spider sense and radar sense are great,but still not as good as superboy's tactile sense.it can dl everything both of them can do,but so much more,and the range he can use it for is a lot farther.course he does have to make contact with something before he can ise it though.

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#44  Edited By kasino

@Vance Astro: hopefully they do care about the character, personally I question it

but not wanting him to play the background would be a good thing

yes he had events but they weren't doing well as everyone was focused on major

it wouldn't be OOC for a man like DD to break out of jail as everyone knows his identity to participate in the Civil War, as they briefly shown Iron Fist

but sorry thought the entire company was being rebooted as I seen a number of characters in their promos not just that small circle, wouldn't keeping his history intact keep others intact as well as some would have to keep their history to interact with DD and those that interacted with him also interact with others?

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#45  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@kasino said:

@Vance Astro: hopefully they do care about the character, personally I question it

but not wanting him to play the background would be a good thing

yes he had events but they weren't doing well as everyone was focused on major

it wouldn't be OOC for a man like DD to break out of jail as everyone knows his identity to participate in the Civil War, as they briefly shown Iron Fist

I think they do. I think Shadowland and something as uncharacteristic as making him an Avenger and the whole Omega Effect Crossover with Spider-Man & Punisher is the proof. They are trying to get him some more exposure.Devil in Cell Block-D was a major arc for Daredevil, one of the best. If i'm not mistaken it was already underway when Civil War started so they couldn't end the arc for the event. It was the same for other events. His book took precedence over the company wide events because the way it was written he couldn't drop whatever he was doing for events that didn't really have anything to do with him.  
 
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but sorry thought the entire company was being rebooted as I seen a number of characters in their promos not just that small circle, wouldn't keeping his history intact keep others intact as well as some would have to keep their history to interact with DD and those that interacted with him also interact with others?

Nah, by the time Marvel NOW drops DD will be at nearly 20 issues. Marvel NOW isn't changing any characters history it's just starting new books as far as I know.
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#46  Edited By kasino

@Vance Astro: he's been with Punisher/Spidey/Luke Cage etc. before this isn't uncharacteristic and they allowed Spidey to be an Avenger as a career loner. I get that he was in a current event but from sales things have been dropped before, he could have eao;y broke out of jail to take care of a much more precedent issue as rights which his character truly cares about for more press.

oh ok I always associated reboots with dropping continuity and creating knew twist on characters...maybe Marvel Now isn't a reboot

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#47  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
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@Vance Astro: he's been with Punisher/Spidey/Luke Cage etc. before this isn't uncharacteristic 

Wasn't saying that. I was saying being an Avenger is uncharacteristic. 
 
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Spidey to be an Avenger as a career loner.

The difference is it wasn't him who declined being a member in the past, they rejected his membership. Also a guy with a team-up series can't really be said to be a "career loner".
 
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he could have eao;y broke out of jail to take care of a much more precedent issue as rights which his character truly cares about for more press.

Would have been detrimental to his book. The characters that had tie-ins were free.
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#48  Edited By PurpleCandy

Radar Sense = Tells you when something coming for you

Spider-Sense = Moves you out of way in a subconcious instinct

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Spider-Sense.

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@Vance Astro: he's been a Defender a team is a team and as he is to be an avenger no reason for it to take this long

no but a loner in the sense that DD is a loner, although they routinely run with others.

I know but the book wasn't selling well, thats what I been saying. It wasn't doing well so let it go and move on to bigger events that the public(comic public as comicvine didn't have a thread on the topic) care more about