"Calvin said:My point is their plans are stupid, for example Doctor Octopus is inteligent and all, but we kind of see him doing some pretty dump stuff, and the Sinister Six don't work well as team, that was my point. Did you ever seen the Sinister Six working as a team as the Flash Rogues? Or Doctor Octopus or the Lizard ever came up with plans such as Joker?"Nobody said:Doctor Octopus, Mysterio, Alistair Smythe, Norman Osborn/Green Goblin, Roderick Kingsley/Hobgoblin, Chameleon, Vulture, Kraven, Kingpin, Jackal, Lizard, Beetle and many other Spider-Man villains are far from stupid, they're actually brilliant and they've also hatched big plots against Spider-Man in the past. Groups like the Sinister Six and the Sinister Syndicate prove that the Spider-Man villains can work together.""Zoom said:I think the thing about most of the Spider-man villains is that they are stupid, can't work together and usually you just have to beat them up, Batman rogues usually have big plots and flash rogues team-up very nicely, so they became more dangerous. Look at Osborn is great because he's using his brains instead of just robing banks.""Flash.Spider-Man has hands down the WORST group of villains in comics.If you honestly think Rhino, Vulture, Sandman, Venom, Carnage, 80 goblins and Doctor Octopus are the best group of villains in comics, you should shoot yourself in the head."So you named a few villains who are "bad". And honestly they aren't that bad. Sandman is a serious threat and so is Carnage and Venom.He still has Morlun, Norman Osborn, Harry Osborn, Mr. Negative, Kingpin, Lizard, Venom(Eddie), Mysterio, etc.Are you telling me Batman or the Flash don't have terrible villains?"
Poll: Who has the best rogues gallery in comics?
"Nobody said:"they aren't that bad. Sandman is a serious threat and so is Carnage and Venom.He still has Morlun, Norman Osborn, Harry Osborn, Mr. Negative, Kingpin, Lizard, Venom(Eddie), Mysterio, etc."Sorry. I guess I wasn't clear. I didn't mean Spider-Man has weak villains. I mean he has boring villains. Wheres Carnage's character depth? Wheres the Lizard's motivation? What's the coolest thing the Sandman has ever done? When was the last time somebody wrote a good story with Harry Osborn as the villain?These villains Suck with a capital SNorman and Kraven aside, there are no truely interesting Spider-Man villains.Contrast this with Batman, who faces characters like Joker, Promethius, Hush, and Two-Face. Hell, even losers like the Mad Hatter and the Penguin have more character depth than Spidey baddies.Same goes for the Flash. His main enemies like the Reverse Flashes, Captain Cold, Weather Wizard and Mirror Master are all very interesting as people. Sure, there are some bad ones as well but at least they have character motivation beyond "Kill Spider-Man!""
"Nobody said:Morlun, Spot(BND), Lizard(motivation wise for while he is attacking isn't that the greats but the fact he is a close friend who is turned into an animal makes it interesting), Menace, Stacy Twins are all interesting in why they do what they do."they aren't that bad. Sandman is a serious threat and so is Carnage and Venom.He still has Morlun, Norman Osborn, Harry Osborn, Mr. Negative, Kingpin, Lizard, Venom(Eddie), Mysterio, etc."Sorry. I guess I wasn't clear. I didn't mean Spider-Man has weak villains. I mean he has boring villains. Wheres Carnage's character depth? Wheres the Lizard's motivation? What's the coolest thing the Sandman has ever done? When was the last time somebody wrote a good story with Harry Osborn as the villain?These villains Suck with a capital SNorman and Kraven aside, there are no truely interesting Spider-Man villains.Contrast this with Batman, who faces characters like Joker, Promethius, Hush, and Two-Face. Hell, even losers like the Mad Hatter and the Penguin have more character depth than Spidey baddies.Same goes for the Flash. His main enemies like the Reverse Flashes, Captain Cold, Weather Wizard and Mirror Master are all very interesting as people. Sure, there are some bad ones as well but at least they have character motivation beyond "Kill Spider-Man!""
"How about we discuss who shouldn't even be an option on that poll? Namely Iron Man. Does he even HAVE a rogues gallery?"HAHAHAHAHAHA!
"Iron man has the # 1 mandarin # 2 titanium man # 3 crimson dynamo # 4 Justin hammer # 5 the controller # 6 Maggia."1. Fair enough, although Mandarin is not well known or that popular.
"TheGift said:In addition, Iron Man also has Madame Masque, Spymaster, Ezekiel Stane, Whiplash, The Ghost, Firebrand, Blizzard, Whirlwind, Count Nefaria, Dreadknight, Grey Gargoyle, Living Laser, Melter and Radioactive Man. The heavy hitters usually consist of the Mandarin, Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo, Justin Hammer and at some point Ezekiel Stane. The problem with the Iron Man rogues is that they some of them are outdated and the others are often used in small doses thus causing their recognition to falter. I think all of the ones I've listed could work if they were depicted in a serious format but I also think it's crucial that someone creates new and formidable adversaries for Iron Man in the future."Iron man has the # 1 mandarin # 2 titanium man # 3 crimson dynamo # 4 Justin hammer # 5 the controller # 6 Maggia."Point being, Stark's been around about as long as Spidey and has maybe two or three villains that people actually care about. Meanwhile Spidey has like... What? Twenty? I could probably name that many Spidey rogues off the top of my head. Probably more."
"the Vica said:Count Nefaria is more of an Avengers Rogue in my opinion"TheGift said:In addition, Iron Man also has Madame Masque, Spymaster, Ezekiel Stane, Whiplash, The Ghost, Firebrand, Blizzard, Whirlwind, Count Nefaria, Dreadknight, Grey Gargoyle, Living Laser, Melter and Radioactive Man. The heavy hitters usually consist of the Mandarin, Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo, Justin Hammer and at some point Ezekiel Stane. The problem with the Iron Man rogues is that they some of them are outdated and the others are often used in small doses thus causing their recognition to falter. I think all of the ones I've listed could work if they were depicted in a serious format but I also think it's crucial that someone creates new and formidable adversaries for Iron Man in the future.""Iron man has the # 1 mandarin # 2 titanium man # 3 crimson dynamo # 4 Justin hammer # 5 the controller # 6 Maggia."Point being, Stark's been around about as long as Spidey and has maybe two or three villains that people actually care about. Meanwhile Spidey has like... What? Twenty? I could probably name that many Spidey rogues off the top of my head. Probably more."
"Dr. ? man said:More I think about it, the more I see that.In addition, Iron Man also has Madame Masque, Spymaster, Ezekiel Stane, Whiplash, The Ghost, Firebrand, Blizzard, Whirlwind, Count Nefaria, Dreadknight, Grey Gargoyle, Living Laser, Melter and Radioactive Man. The heavy hitters usually consist of the Mandarin, Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo, Justin Hammer and at some point Ezekiel Stane. The problem with the Iron Man rogues is that they some of them are outdated and the others are often used in small doses thus causing their recognition to falter. I think all of the ones I've listed could work if they were depicted in a serious format but I also think it's crucial that someone creates new and formidable adversaries for Iron Man in the future."Count Nefaria is more of an Avengers Rogue in my opinion"
"Psychotime said:HAHA. freakin zoom"Batman's #1.Spiderman's second place."If by second place, you mean "last place," then I agree."
Just for fun I decided to write down a gallery of those heroes you have on those poll.
Let's start with Superman
Lex Luthor
Brianiac
Toyman
Darkseid
Doomsday
Metallo
Parasite
Lobo
Superboy Prime
Cyborg Superman
Mr. Mxyzptlk
Bizarro
Mongul
Prankster
General Zod
Kryptonite Man
Ultra-Humanite
Livewire
Atomic-Skull
Intergang
Titano
Jax-Ur
As For Batman's Rogues
Joker
Two-Face
Riddler
Ra's Al Ghul and The League of Assassins
Bane
Catwoman
Penguin
Scarecrow
Poison Ivy
Mr. Freeze
The Ventriloquist
Deadshot
Black Mask
Hush
Killer Croc
Harley Quinn
Clayface
Dr. Hugo Strange
Man-Bat
Mad Hatter
Firefly
Killer Moth
Zsasz
Cluemaster
Here's Flash Rogues
Reverse Flash:
Professor Zoom and Zoom
Gorilla Grodd
Captain Cold
Mirror Master
Trickster
Captain Boomerang
Heat Wave
Weather Wizard
Abra Kadabra
Pied Piper
The Top
Golden Glider
Black Flash
Turtle
Ragdoll
Doctor Alchemy
Rainbow Raider
Shade
Blacksmith
Murmur
Man it was really a toss up between Batman and Spiderman so I just flipped a coin, so it came up Spiderman.
Now as for Spider-Man Rogues that I am very familiar with.
Green Goblin
Venom
Doctor Octopus
Sandman
Lizard
Carnage
Electro
Mysterio
Rhino
Shocker
Kraven
Hobgoblin
Vulture
Chameleon
Kingpin
Morbius
Morlun
Scorpion
Beetle
Hydro-Man
Jackal
Tombstone
Hammerhead
Smythe And Spider-Slayers
The Enforcers
Now as for the X-Men rogues
Magneto and his Brotherhood of Mutants
Apocalypse and his Horsemen of Apocalypse
Mr. Sinister and his Marauders
Juggernaut
Sabertooth
Mystique
William Stryker and The Purifiers
Pyro
Sebastian Shaw and his Hellfire Club
Blob
Proteus
Toad
Shadow King
Cassandra Nova
Mastermind
Mojo
Sentinels:
Master Mold and Nimrod
Lady Deathstrike
Omega Red
Onslaught
Vulcan
Silver Samurai
Brood
Callisto and The Morlocks
Stryfe and The Mutant Liberation Front
Avalanche
Spiral
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch
Dark Phoenix
Dark Beast
Sauron
Black Tom Cassidy
Destiny
The Reavers
Wendigo
Graydon Creed and The Friends of Humanity
Senator Kelly
Cameron Hodge
Legion
Exodus
Gene Nation
Deathbird
Living Monolith
Bastion
Weapon X
Acolytes
Madelyne Prior
Venom became a supervillain because he lost a job as a photographer.
2nd worst reason to become a criminal ever.
The only good villains Spider-Man has are the Green Goblin (not the 50 goblin clones, just the original), Kraven the Hunter and the Kingpin and the last of those is much better as a Daredevil villain.
Fantastic Four Rogues gallery
Dr. Doom
Galactus
Annihilus
Blaastar
Skrulls
Super Skrull
Wizard
Frightful Four
Red Ghost
Mole Man
Impossible Man
Trapster
Dragon Man
Puppet Master
Diablo
Molecule Man
Mad Thinker
Maximus The Mad
Klaw
Rama-Tut
Beyonder
Namor The Submariner
Klaw
Paibok
Psycho-Man
Daredevil... Second to him would be Batman I think. Few baddies enjoy killing a man's girlfriend like Bullseye does.
Captain America Rogues gallery
Red Skull
Baron Zemo
Crossbones
Batroc The Leaper
Hate-Monger
Protocide
Flag-Smasher and his Ultimatum
Serpent Squad
Serpant Society
Baron Strucker
Viper
Porcupine
Scourge of The Underworld
Sin
Slither
Baron Blood
Doctor Faustus and his National Force
The Watchdogs
Tumbler
Everyman
Blue Streak
Aleksander Lukin
Arnim Zola
Armadillo
Jack O' Lantern
Master Man
Madam Hydra
Wonder Woman's Rogues gallery?
Cheetah
Giganta
Doctor Psycho
Ares
Silver Swan
Eviless and Villiany Inc.
Circe
Doctor Poison
Genocide
Cybogirl
Blue Snowman
Zara
The Mask
Angle Man
Hades
Hypnota
Dark Angel
Jinx
Doctor Cyber
Queen Clea
White Majician
Batman, followed by X-Men. GL has a pretty cool gallery as well. Supermans definatly have establishment.
also Spider-mans, immensly popular characters, and if nothing else just so Zoom can quote me and continue
his campaign.
" Batman, followed by X-Men. GL has a pretty cool gallery as well. Supermans definatly have establishment. also Spider-mans, immensly popular characters, and if nothing else just so Zoom can quote me and continue his campaign. "GL's gallery is pretty iffy..well it used to be, until they added atrocius and Larfleeze. Sinestro used to be the only solid Rogue hal had.
" @CATMANEXE said:Star Sapphire, Black Hand, Hector Hammond, Manhunters." Batman, followed by X-Men. GL has a pretty cool gallery as well. Supermans definatly have establishment. also Spider-mans, immensly popular characters, and if nothing else just so Zoom can quote me and continue his campaign. "GL's gallery is pretty iffy..well it used to be, until they added atrocius and Larfleeze. Sinestro used to be the only solid Rogue hal had. "
More recently: Hank Henshaw, Superboy Prime, Amon Sir.
" @Strife said:SBP isn't mainly a GL villain though....at least not IMO." @CATMANEXE said:Star Sapphire, Black Hand, Hector Hammond, Manhunters. More recently: Hank Henshaw, Superboy Prime, Amon Sir. "" Batman, followed by X-Men. GL has a pretty cool gallery as well. Supermans definatly have establishment. also Spider-mans, immensly popular characters, and if nothing else just so Zoom can quote me and continue his campaign. "GL's gallery is pretty iffy..well it used to be, until they added atrocius and Larfleeze. Sinestro used to be the only solid Rogue hal had. "
" @inferiorego said:Sinestro War made him one though..." @Strife said:SBP isn't mainly a GL villain though....at least not IMO. "" @CATMANEXE said:Star Sapphire, Black Hand, Hector Hammond, Manhunters. More recently: Hank Henshaw, Superboy Prime, Amon Sir. "" Batman, followed by X-Men. GL has a pretty cool gallery as well. Supermans definatly have establishment. also Spider-mans, immensly popular characters, and if nothing else just so Zoom can quote me and continue his campaign. "GL's gallery is pretty iffy..well it used to be, until they added atrocius and Larfleeze. Sinestro used to be the only solid Rogue hal had. "
I also forgot Mongul II
" Yea I was thinking Mongul II, but forgot to say it while I was protesting SBP's inclusion among the GL villains...I still don't know thatd be like sying the Anti-Monitor is a GL villain. "I don't consider Anti-Monitor any part of the GLU right now. Yes, he's the black lantern battery, but he hasn't been seen since two crisis' ago
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